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January 5, 2011 1:01:44 AM

Ok, so I have a comp I built, but now it isn't working. I stopped using it for about two years when my Maxtor died and then I recently bought a new HDD (WD Caviar Black 1TB) for it. I also was given a NZXT Lexa--never used-- mid-tower case (which does not have an onboard speaker to give me nifty audio beeps for errors.

Here's the build:

Celeron D processor (yes, it's old) 3.04GHZ duo core
WD 1TB Caviar Black HDD (new)
ASUS Striker Extreme MOBO (bought when I bought the CPU) w/ sound card
ASUS Optical drive (new, the specifics seem irrelevent)
3GB OCZ PC6400
XFX GeForce 9800 GTX+ or PNY GeForce 450 GSX (bought the latter to see if the issue was caused by a faulty graphics card, but the same problem persisted... will return tomorrow after I check on your suggestions)
APEXI 600W PSU

I think that's the important stuff. Now the problem:

I get nothing. Last time the computer worked, the HDD crashed and I stopped using it for one or two years. Then I got the new case, hdd, and optical drive and rebuilt her. Started her up (all lights came on great... mobo, graphics card. And all fans came on including HSF, case fans, graphics card fan, and PSU fans), but had no picture. I've tried everything.

Reassembled everything, took all but 1 ram chip out (the striker is renown for having issues accepting ram), reseated everything, made sure HDD was spooling, bought a new graphics card, cleared CMOS, cursed and got angry. Nothing worked.

So now I believe it is either the MOBO or the CPU. I'm leaning more towards the CPU because, well, for one, it's old and I want a new one, and two, all the lights come on and work on the mobo. Now the striker extreme does have an LCD read-out on the back of it, but unfortunately through age and neglect it isn't working correctly and only parts of the letters are showing, but I believe it says CPU INIT which is a common error I've had before and was usually an issue with recognizing the ram.

Does ANYONE have any idea what I need to do or what may be the culprit of my conundrum? I'll check back here in the morning just in case a fix requires the PNY card, but I plan on returning it to get my money back. If it is the CPU can someone please recommend a LGA 775 socket that can be bought for around $140? I think the mobo will do quad core, but nothing more fancy that is out nowadays.

I really appreciate any information you guys can give. Thank you!!! (sorry for the long write-up)

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January 5, 2011 1:15:09 AM

Does your graphics card have it's aux power input (or 2, depending on card) from power supply hooked up directly to it?

Is the graphics card FULLY seated?

Does mainboard have it's aux cpu power to mb conected from PSU?
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January 5, 2011 1:17:34 AM

mdd1963 said:
Does your graphics card have it's aux power input (or 2, depending on card) from power supply hooked up directly to it?

Is the graphics card FULLY seated?

Does mainboard have it's aux cpu power to mb conected from PSU?



Yes to all. If relevant, the PNY card had only 1 6-pin connector and the XFX has two.
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January 5, 2011 1:22:44 AM

This may seem rather obvious and I dont mean to insult your intelligence but have you tried a different display ? If not i would get a new chip since you want one anyways and if that doesnt work a new mobo, or just a new rig, sorry i couldn t be more help, the whole no display thing really throws a wrench in the mix.
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January 5, 2011 1:24:55 AM

cmi86 said:
This may seem rather obvious and I dont mean to insult your intelligence but have you tried a different display ? If not i would get a new chip since you want one anyways and if that doesnt work a new mobo, or just a new rig, sorry i couldn t be more help, the whole no display thing really throws a wrench in the mix.



Lol, yes I made sure the display worked. And it was the same one I was using before the first HDD died. Any recommendations on a 775 processor?
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January 5, 2011 1:30:44 AM

First of all, start with the most obvious things.

Make sure that all connections have been made and are tight fitting.

Check the PSU to make sure that nothing got shorted. (Check voltages on 24 main power cord, CPU power pin, and PCI-e power pins). Google how to do this with a multimeter...it is very easy to do.

Make sure that your RAM works. Try it in another computer. I am going through the exact situation that you are right now, and I check the RAM in another board and found out that both sticks were dead.

Verify that the monitor works in another computer.

Check that the CPU works in another board.

It is most likely one of those issues.
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January 5, 2011 1:36:49 AM

Core 2 Quad Q9650, Core 2 Extreme QX9770 and Core 2 Duo E8600 are the best 775 chips. One more tip to check your mobo, i would think you could try running a standard PCI based graphics card to diagnose the PCIE 2.0 interface on your mobo.
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January 5, 2011 1:37:16 AM

bs6749 said:
First of all, start with the most obvious things.

Make sure that all connections have been made and are tight fitting.

Check the PSU to make sure that nothing got shorted. (Check voltages on 24 main power cord, CPU power pin, and PCI-e power pins). Google how to do this with a multimeter...it is very easy to do.

Make sure that your RAM works. Try it in another computer. I am going through the exact situation that you are right now, and I check the RAM in another board and found out that both sticks were dead.

Verify that the monitor works in another computer.

Check that the CPU works in another board.

It is most likely one of those issues.



Hmm... well I haven't actually broken out a multimeter to test the leads, but there is one I can borrow. I have 4 RAM sticks I doubt all 4 have gone bad, but I suppose it's possible. I've verified the monitor in another computer. I'm still leaning towards CPU. Is there a test I can do without a monitor that will allow me to tell if the CPY is bad??
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January 5, 2011 1:46:53 AM

cmi86 said:
Core 2 Quad Q9650, Core 2 Extreme QX9770 and Core 2 Duo E8600 are the best 775 chips. One more tip to check your mobo, i would think you could try running a standard PCI based graphics card to diagnose the PCIE 2.0 interface on your mobo.



Well I would, but I don't have one. Would putting the Vid card into the second PCIE slot show anything? I know I'm asking, but I'm going to try right now anyways...

Those chips are a bit pricey for me... I said $140, not $1.4k lol. I do appreciate all the help guys.
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January 5, 2011 1:54:25 AM

Yes the 2nd PCIE may yield results, there are alot of C2D chips to choose from, those were just the best ones, look into it a bit
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January 5, 2011 1:59:53 AM

cmi86 said:
Yes the 2nd PCIE may yield results, there are alot of C2D chips to choose from, those were just the best ones, look into it a bit



Well, no change. Maybe if I hit the computer hard enough it would get the point? No? Rats. Lol.
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January 5, 2011 2:11:47 AM

Throw it in the bathtub that should fix it lol, Go on craigslist or to your local PC shop or whatever, try and get your hands on a PCI card on the cheap, I have found em on CL for 5 bucks before. Just someting to Diagnose the PCIE bus
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January 5, 2011 2:22:23 AM

cmi86 said:
Throw it in the bathtub that should fix it lol, Go on craigslist or to your local PC shop or whatever, try and get your hands on a PCI card on the cheap, I have found em on CL for 5 bucks before. Just someting to Diagnose the PCIE bus



Well, I just pulled it out of the bathtub, didn't seem to do anything but get everything wet. Only now I can't get anything to come on... weird.

Lol. Yeah my town's cl is the suck. But I have to go by the comp store tomorrow anyways. Hopefully they have something cheap I can use. And they're cool with you troubleshooting as long as everything is in working order when/if you bring it back.
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January 5, 2011 2:33:07 AM

They wont be if you tell them your intentions lol,
Buy the card get what you need from it either way and bring it back, tell em you didnt end up needing it ; ) " I call it renting lol"
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January 5, 2011 2:36:32 AM

well I told the girl today when I bought the vid card that i was troubleshooting and asked about their return policy. She said as long as everything is in good working order and has everything included that came with it, no worries.

I'll be sure to keep my mouth shut just in case a manager/owner helps me this next time, lol.
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January 5, 2011 2:39:56 AM

Good call lol, good luck let me know how it works out
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January 5, 2011 2:41:04 AM

Will do. Time to leave this til tomorrow... *kick* Thanks again. Any other suggestions from others are also appreciated.
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January 5, 2011 3:57:31 PM

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January 5, 2011 7:26:46 PM

How did that card work out for ya
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January 5, 2011 8:15:43 PM

I have experienced the same issue with my strike extreme MB and my ram. The ram that I had purchased ran at a higher voltage than the default voltage on the MB. What I had to do was to insert a generic stick of ram that ran at the default voltage. It then would fire up and was able to get into the BIOS and change the voltage to match the ram voltage that I had purchased. Once I did this, I shutdown the PC and inserted the other ram and it fired right up, problem solved

Trust me I spent hour and hours with ASUS and other sites but none had an answer until I figured it out on my own. To future proof this from ever happening again I created a profile in the BIOS with the changes.

Hope this helps.
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January 5, 2011 8:57:24 PM

cmi86 said:
How did that card work out for ya



they didn't have just a cheapy so I bought a new CPU and tried it. It didn't work. :( 




This is interesting. It kept your bios from booting at all? Like no bios screen at all? It was running with this ram for a year then was turned off for 1 or 2 years. If you think this could be the issue, then I may just upgrade the ram at the same time. Running PC6400 and the better stuff should be more affordable nowadays.
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January 5, 2011 9:01:50 PM

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I have experienced the same issue with my strike extreme MB and my ram. The ram that I had purchased ran at a higher voltage than the default voltage on the MB. What I had to do was to insert a generic stick of ram that ran at the default voltage. It then would fire up and was able to get into the BIOS and change the voltage to match the ram voltage that I had purchased. Once I did this, I shutdown the PC and inserted the other ram and it fired right up, problem solved

Trust me I spent hour and hours with ASUS and other sites but none had an answer until I figured it out on my own. To future proof this from ever happening again I created a profile in the BIOS with the changes.

Hope this helps.



This seems like a very good theory theres only one thing that doesnt make sense and that is that his rig did run properly up until a HDD crash. So i would think if it was a RAM voltage no post situation that this machine never would have ran in the first place, just a thought.
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January 5, 2011 9:07:49 PM

my thinking too. Not sure why it would start up then and not now. Could sitting for a long time affect anything?

so far I've tested by replacing the Vid card, PSU, CPU, and ram one at a time (4 sticks total).

Nothing has worked. This leads me to believe that it may be that the mobo. Would a mobo still be bad if all the lights/fans come on? I guess that could just be showing that the power routing is still working, but I'm still on the low-end of the tech-savvy world.
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January 5, 2011 9:08:01 PM

Ok i just got that last post of yours, the new cpu basically singles out your mobo, the HDD crash shorted out something on your board, you need a new one
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January 5, 2011 9:09:47 PM

aww... but i like this one :( 


any good gaming recommendations? 775 socket type. Checked my comp store but all they had was micro or mini atx for 775.

Or a decenct mobo and processor combo. Checking out newegg, but it's been a while since I've kept up with any of this tech that I don't know what's good or not.

Can you run at 9800GTX+ on an amd board?
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January 5, 2011 11:09:53 PM

cmi86 said:
This seems like a very good theory theres only one thing that doesnt make sense and that is that his rig did run properly up until a HDD crash. So i would think if it was a RAM voltage no post situation that this machine never would have ran in the first place, just a thought.



I completely understand where you are coming from but it doesn't hurt to try. Why not check and eliminate the possibility. He did mentioned that the PC has been sitting there for awhile and who knows. Start with the basics and work form there, most of the time it's the simplest and overlooked solution. All my lights and fan came on and it too booted at one time but in the end it was the voltage. CMOS batt could be bad, have you thought of that, maybe clearing the cmos. I know it's easy on the striker extreme. All in all think outside of the box because it is a computer and strange things do happen which most of the time don't make sense. My .02
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January 5, 2011 11:37:59 PM

How much money are you willing to spend on this, i will help you get the most for your money, and yes your GTX will run on an amd board
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January 5, 2011 11:41:12 PM

i was looking on newegg at the board/chip combos. Looking in the 200ish range.
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January 5, 2011 11:42:37 PM

remember you are running DDR 2, i would almost spend a bit extra and move to ddr3 and just be done with it
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January 5, 2011 11:43:40 PM

i intend to upgrade the ram also, but shhh. Don't tell my wife...
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January 5, 2011 11:51:24 PM

how do you feel quad-core vs. dual core?
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January 5, 2011 11:53:37 PM

If you do alot of Video editing/ rendering and raw data id go quad

if you game and do general PC tasks id go dual, alot of modern games still arent programmed to benifit much from a quad core cpu
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January 5, 2011 11:54:31 PM

the biostar board says it will run PC1600 if you OC your stuff. Is this easily done? I seriously know nothing about OC'ing.
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January 5, 2011 11:55:53 PM

cmi86 said:
If you do alot of Video editing/ rendering and raw data id go quad

if you game and do general PC tasks id go dual, alot of modern games still arent programmed to benifit much from a quad core cpu




If I was running CAD would it bet better to have a quad core? I may be doing some architecture in the future.
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January 6, 2011 12:00:36 AM

For CAD yes i would suggest a quad core, but seriously stay away from biostar, I have had nothing but bad experiences with their boards, What chip did you pick up today ? if its a big quad core we could stick with 775 and goto DDR 3, but ur still basically building on an abandoned tech
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January 6, 2011 12:03:07 AM

PS you should be able to unlock that phenom chip i showed you earlier to a quad core
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January 6, 2011 12:10:45 AM

Haha yeah thats the board im running rite now lol, killer bang for buck, ThatX3 is pretty healthy and you might be able to unlock a 4th core on that one too, but still based off DD2, since you getting a new board im trying really hard to get you on DDR3
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January 6, 2011 12:17:06 AM

Nope very easy, most modern boards including the ASUS M4A-785-M have a built in core unlocking software. Basically all you do is hit a designated key on start up and it will automatically unlock the core for you. After that all you have to do is get some temp monitoring software to make sure it wasnt disbaled because of thermal problems and a stress tester to make sure its a stable core and you are good to go
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January 6, 2011 12:18:43 AM

Good deal. Think I'm going to go for the quad core and some new ram, though.
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January 6, 2011 12:24:04 AM

Nice, The Gigabyte with the dual core unlocking to quad or the

ASUS Evo with the Native quad ?
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January 6, 2011 12:25:50 AM

ASUS evo and native quad. I am a bit of an ASUS fanboy. Lol.
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January 6, 2011 12:27:23 AM

The Evo board is a 4 pin. My PSU is an 8 pin. Issues?
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January 6, 2011 12:31:41 AM

NICE !!! Nope just a simple 8 pin to 4pin adapter that will run you about 5 bucks and you should have no problem finding one at your local pc shop. You sure you dont have a 4 pin on that PSU, that would be really weird if you didnt lol
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January 6, 2011 12:34:47 AM

Had to check again. It was two fours put together. Lol. I'm liking the sector 5 Patriot ram the most. But have no exp with them. How do you like them.
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