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March 31, 2011 12:00:35 AM

hi, i'm planning on upgrading my CPU to Intel Core2Quad Q8300 2.6ghz. what are the things that I have to keep in mind when upgrading?

is there any compatability issues that i have to look for?

and if it's really required to format my system drive after changing my CPU?

actually, this is my 1st time on changing my CPU that's why I wanna be careful. lol.
thanks for your advice ;) 

this is my current specs:

ASUS P5-KPLAM SE (mobo)
Intel Dual Core E6300 2.8ghz
Seagate Barracuda 80GB
Seagate Barracuda 250GB
Kingston 4GB RAM
Inno3D GT240 512MB DDR5
Windows 7 Ultimate
FSP Epsilon 600W

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March 31, 2011 12:33:27 AM

It either works or doesn't. Save your old cpu if it's needed for a bios flash. But if the new cpu works, don't flash the bios. Flashing is always risky especially for a rooky; if you can't afford to replace the board, don't do it. And you won't need to format the hardrive or anything else; windows 7 and xp should recognize the change automatically. Be sure the new cpu comes with a heatsink; the stock Intel heatsink is adequate, so why pay extra. Most oem cpus are about the same price as retail box units, so get retail with the three year warranty and free heatsink.
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March 31, 2011 12:44:48 AM

I would wait and do a mobo,proc,memory upgrade

better value

snag something like a i5 sandy bridge

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March 31, 2011 12:56:13 AM

I'd agree with the poster above, for 150 bucks, not really worth it to upgrade to an old quad core at this point, when you can get i5 quads for the same price. Sure you need a new board, but you're going to get the performance boost of 2 generations of procs as well.

Of course I'm assuming that the former mobo you were using uses DDR2, so that will be another upgrade :p  (It never ends)
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March 31, 2011 3:28:49 PM

hmm yeah, i was thinking on replacing my mobo, procs and RAM. but being so impatient made me decide to just replace my procs instead. >< (sorry)

uhm i've looked on a pricelist here (Philippines) for an intel i5. they're just selling an i5-650 that costs around php9520($220) and i can't afford that. XD so uhm, how bout an AMD CPU?

i made a list of my alternative:

Phenom II x4 840 3.2ghz 2mb - $123
MSI 870 - G45 AMD770/AM3/ddr3/S/GL - $100
Kingston 4GB 1333 DDR3 - $50

is there any mobo - OS compatability that i have to consider?

because when i changed my old OS(winXP - SP3) to win7, the driver disc says that it's not compatible with my new OS. well, i'm not really having any problems right now that's why i assumed that everything is working fine.

thanks for your help! ;) 

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March 31, 2011 11:13:20 PM

You can add another hardrive and use windows 7 ultimate or pro and these versions will work with old xp files. You can migrate from xp to windows 7, but the steps aren't that simple. They are listed on microsoft's website.
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April 1, 2011 12:20:10 AM

o1die said:
You can add another hardrive and use windows 7 ultimate or pro and these versions will work with old xp files. You can migrate from xp to windows 7, but the steps aren't that simple. They are listed on microsoft's website.

is that the same as with what thety call as dual boot?
ima try to look on that... Thanks a lot man :D 
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April 1, 2011 2:11:08 AM

what are you planning on doing with the computer? because depending on what your doing with it will greatly change what parts can be best for you.
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April 1, 2011 3:54:26 AM

fatsoferret said:
what are you planning on doing with the computer? because depending on what your doing with it will greatly change what parts can be best for you.


i'm planning on transforming this one into a decent gaming rig. but as i was searching over the web, i found that AMD processors can be a good alternative for high end intel processors (and mobos) so i came up with that list. lol.

found this issue on newegg:
they said that they're having several issues on the BIOS of the 870 G45.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

is it really that complicated when it comes to configuring the mobo for the first time?

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April 1, 2011 10:13:11 AM

Migrating from xp to windows 7 will save your old files without formating the hardrive.
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April 1, 2011 3:11:20 PM

AMD is a good alt. to intel in the low end market, however with the release of the i3 SB intel beat them in the budget gaming market. have you looked into a i3 SB?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

as its comes to the mobo, if you have not configured one before it can be a pain :) , but theres a lot of help out there for that.
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April 2, 2011 1:39:03 AM

fatsoferret said:
AMD is a good alt. to intel in the low end market, however with the release of the i3 SB intel beat them in the budget gaming market. have you looked into a i3 SB?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

as its comes to the mobo, if you have not configured one before it can be a pain :) , but theres a lot of help out there for that.


does it mean that i3 SB is a better?
*done checking the website: XD
wow, lol i3 gets a lot of eggs right there man. :)  even though it costs around $13 more than Phenom ii x4.

i've seen 2 i3s on the list. one is the i3-530 and the other one is the i3-SB 2100. do they have different kind of slots on motherboards?

here found a motherboard on the list ;) 

Gigabyte H61M-D2-B3 V/S/GL
http://uk.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3...

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Phenom II x4 840 3.2ghz 2mb - $123 = MEH..


is it a bad choice? XD

o1die said:
Migrating from xp to windows 7 will save your old files without formating the hardrive.


is this the right guide?
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help/upgrad...
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April 2, 2011 1:57:55 AM

oh yeah never saw that. thanks for reminding me :D 
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April 2, 2011 3:47:17 AM

ya those two i3s use different mobos, your gonna want to get the SB one it uses a 1155 socket mobo, the 1156 socket is pretty much dead and wont give you a lot of upgrade options in the future.

I wouldent reccemend the gigabyte board because it uses a H61 chipset
If your going to use this computer for mostly gaming your gonna want to get a P67 chipset with the I3 2xxx series CPU, that way in the future when you want to upgrade your CPU you can get a unlocked K series chip and start overclocking.

the MSI P67A-GDXX (XX = 43, 55, 65 ect.) series boards are good, i've done 2 builds with them recently and have been impressed with them.

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April 2, 2011 6:14:35 AM

i saw the MSI p67-gd65-b3 on the list. but the price is really beyond my budget. =( (it costs around $235.lol.)

will it run fine on an ECS H67H2-M3?
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_Detail...

i guess that's just how far my budget goes lol. since i am not planning on upgrading my CPU further for a (very) long time after this.

thanks man! ;) 
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April 2, 2011 8:57:16 AM

You don't need such an expensive board to use the 1155 cpus; I go for the low end chipsets with onboard video. They start at around $60 at newegg (H61 chipset). They all come with a pci-e slot for separate video cards.
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April 2, 2011 11:11:34 AM

so my choice is already fine? :)  or i can still go for a cheaper mobo? :D 

does the latest chipsets comes with better performance like faster games or better multitasking....

thanks :D 
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April 2, 2011 12:46:13 PM

Both chipsets offer about the same performance. The more expensive atx p67 boards offer more slots and extra features. Decide if you really need them, as the h67 boards are about half the price. If you don't want to overclock, they offer a cheaper alternative. But the p67 boards will overclock with the "k" series 1155 cpus, but don't have onboard video. I have used the onboard video on the 1156 boards, and it works pretty well, but is not for hardcore gaming. I prefer quiet systems, and none of the separate video cards are very quiet unless you go fanless. I'm not a gamer.
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April 2, 2011 1:07:40 PM

If he's gonna game on it he's going to game on it the "k" series is better because it will allow him the option of overclocking later and the sandies oc so easy it's silly. And to answer your chipset question yes definitely.
I use amd for me it's more consumer friendly intel definitely has the "top end" in performance. If you're going to upgrade your pc a part at a time (ex.-buy cpu one month...mobo the next) AMD is more forgiving you can as a general rule install a next gen amd cpu on a "this gen"board. Case in point being am3 on an am2+board. Basicly to make this easy, if you're well off or using it for a tax write off buy Intel. If your on a fixed income and this computer is "all about me" then go AMD. You could easily get a decent am3 board a Phenom II 555 BE and RAM Cheap and the 555 is a solid gamer that would tide you over until you can afford a Phenom II quad(I use the 965/955 and have 0 problems with ANY game). That being said. You could get a AM2+ board dirtcheap re-use any ddr 2 ram you have and get the Phenom II quad now. Then upgrade the mobo and ram later. DDR3 is dirtcheap now and will probably spike in price when the amd dozer line comes out as it will be the standard for both the sandy and the new amd offerings so I'd grab the am3 board and ram now if you get an asus with an 890 chipset rumor has it they will run the dozer line(zambezi)with a bios flash, thus allowing you a future upgrade for the cost of the cpu alone...which would be very sweet(I would think).
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April 2, 2011 11:32:29 PM

funny it may seem but, i don't have really plans on overclocking my CPU (only my GPU) so i guess the ECS H67H2-M3 board will do for the i3. lol. now, i am really choosing between:

i3 - 2100 3.1ghz
Athlon ii x4 640 3.0ghz

for the AMD on the other hand, i am looking for a mobo that'll be lower than php4,000+($100). at least a micro ATX board will do since i only got a small case right here lol. i've seen MSI 770 g45 and i was really impressed but its too big for my case. XD

here i've seen this case but i don't know if its right for Athlon ii x4 640:
MSI GF615M-P33
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

according to the specs, its an AM3. :) 

wow, thanks for those advice. it really helps alot on deciding. ;D
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April 2, 2011 11:45:31 PM

np, were allways glad to help, if your looking for a future proof build, go with the i3, AMD is releasing their new chips later this year and we dont know if the AM3 socket will be viable with them.
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April 3, 2011 3:34:57 AM

That is a bottom of the barrel board I mean...well if you have to and the athlon has no l3 cache. You can get a phenomII 955 be that smokes the athlon for 6 dollars more and again if you're going to go amd I strungly recommend the 890 chipset.
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April 3, 2011 3:36:51 AM

strongly....even.
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April 3, 2011 3:37:48 AM

and ummmmm i3 futureproof....pretty to think so.
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April 3, 2011 3:39:42 AM

the socket its in is for at least the next 2 years. AM3 might die here soon
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April 3, 2011 3:42:03 AM

the socket it's in is good until next year q2 the 890 chipset will accomodate the zambezi with a bios flash.
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April 3, 2011 3:54:42 AM

i heard a rumor of that, can you link me the offical announc?
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April 3, 2011 3:57:58 AM

there is nothing official from amd it was leaked via asus. When AMD reps were asked they would not confirm if you do a google search for zambezi chipset (I may be way off on that search) it's out there I read it yesterday. I'd look it for you but I'm off to bed atm.
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April 3, 2011 4:00:04 AM

Daplinksta said:
the socket it's in is good until next year q2 the 890 chipset will accomodate the zambezi with a bios flash.

Doubt it.
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April 3, 2011 11:30:07 AM

is it still okay to use DDR2 rams? Coz i've seen this mobo for athlon ii x4 which costs $10 more than the one i previously chosen.

and uhm aside from the AM3 slot for the procs, are there still any other compatability/requiments stuffs that i still have to consider when buying the right mobo for the procs? Like the FSB speed thingy. Lol.

sorry for my long list of questions. I just wann clear things out before upgrading :p 

again, THANKS :D 
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April 3, 2011 11:58:15 AM

The PhII 840 'Propus' quad processor would be a better choice over the 640.

The question is whether you may find a 'black socket' motherboard to pair it with where you live. This would allow a future upgrade to Bulldozer Zambezi - here is Gigabyte's list:



And the Asus AM3+ compatibility for AM3 motherboards

MSI made an announcement on Friday, and AsRock has compatible 'black socket' motherboards on their web site.
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April 3, 2011 4:30:47 PM

is the ph2 x4 propus the same with this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... this is just the only ph4 x4 840 that's for sale.

and i can't find any AM3+ black sockets on the list =(

actually i'm not really in a hurry, i am just looking for cheaper alternatives. that's why i want to know the stuffs that i need from both intel and AMD procs. anyway, you guys helped me a lot, if you wanna add anything, just post it here. ;) 
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April 3, 2011 5:15:24 PM

ejcelis said:
is the ph2 x4 propus the same with this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... this is just the only ph4 x4 840 that's for sale.

and i can't find any AM3+ black sockets on the list =(

actually i'm not really in a hurry, i am just looking for cheaper alternatives. that's why i want to know the stuffs that i need from both intel and AMD procs. anyway, you guys helped me a lot, if you wanna add anything, just post it here. ;) 


That would be the one.

The specs are quite similar other than the 200MHz clock speed but the PhII 840 Propus seems to clock a bit higher on lower voltage. There were a number of reviews from Jan or so that came out when the 840 was introduced (and compared to a 'real' Propus).

Every week or so the 840 pops up with a $10 discount in the States. There is one on this weekend with code EMCYTZT379 valid til 11:59PM PDT on Sunday, 4/3/2011, at your link.

I'm itchin' to jump on it with the Asus M4A79XTD EVO AM3 790X -- I've got some RAM sticks laying around that are on the Asus QVL. Hard to beat if saving a few bucks for a potent rig -- even if it's not a black socket.
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April 3, 2011 5:30:05 PM

if im goin for that, well i guess adding $2 wont at least kill me lol. uhm what does L2 Cache Count and L3 Cache means?

just in case that ill go for an AMD, will it be compatible (athlon ii x4 640/phenom ii x4 840) with this board?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

i'm just looking for a cheaper board tho. no plans on overclocking (not at least the GPU lol). and just like what i've said earlier, my case is just fir Micro ATX board lol. :D 
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April 4, 2011 12:06:22 PM

ejcelis said:
if im goin for that, well i guess adding $2 wont at least kill me lol. uhm what does L2 Cache Count and L3 Cache means?

just in case that ill go for an AMD, will it be compatible (athlon ii x4 640/phenom ii x4 840) with this board?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

i'm just looking for a cheaper board tho. no plans on overclocking (not at least the GPU lol). and just like what i've said earlier, my case is just fir Micro ATX board lol. :D 


The GeForce 6150SE & nForce 430 chipset is quite ... elderly? :p  been around for years

It will (or should) work fine -- the PhII 840 Propus is on the cpu support list.

Each CPU core has its own L1 & L2 cache. L1 cache is instruction/data - L2 holds data which has been 'flushed' from L1.

L3 cache stores data flushed from all CPU L2 caches and is 'shared' between all cores (that's the good part). The bad part is L3 introduces a touch higher latency when storing that flushed data.

The lack of L3 is not that big of a deal, really. The general rule of thumb is the lack of L3 will give you a 5% or so performance hit when processing large amounts of data.
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April 4, 2011 2:39:30 PM

is it still good to use DDR2s today? i found this mobo which is kinda better (err i think. XD) than MSI 785GTM-E45 for phenom ii x4 840.

MSI GF615M-P33
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

oh btw, i've found several mobos that has AM2+ sockets. are they compatible with the phenom ii x4 840?

@dadiggles: i can't find Asrock mobos on the list :( 

sorry i was asking a lot of questions XD
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April 4, 2011 5:54:59 PM

that's what i've read also on other forums moments ago.

with this board, i might just save a few bucks compared to the other one. thanks man. ;) 
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April 4, 2011 6:11:20 PM

will the onboard video card (ATI Radeon HD 4200) create some conflict with my GT240? just wondering tho. lol.

whew, thanks for clearing things up :D 
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April 4, 2011 6:14:49 PM

lol nice it makes me feel better to have Nvidia and ATI together lol. XD
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April 4, 2011 6:19:51 PM

LAWL.

glad i've asked you guys. i was really cleared with all my questions

and yeah, i don't have to rush things over. :) 
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April 4, 2011 8:45:49 PM

its the performance of Nvidia, with the headach of AMD!
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April 5, 2011 12:10:20 AM

wait! lol. do i have to format my sys.drive after configuring my new mobo?

this ill be my first upgrade. man i'm so nervous.
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April 5, 2011 11:48:48 AM

k thanks ;D
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April 10, 2011 12:33:51 AM

Best answer selected by ejcelis.
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