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November 6, 2010 8:20:32 PM

i dont know which of these cards would be the best for my system. i would probably rule out the 5770(only 128-bit) and don't really wanna pay 350+ dollars for the 5870. kinda leaning forward to the 6870 but i dont know if its even compatible and i dont have the right PSU. (want a 550watt)

here are my system specs and the serial number (so u can look it up) "AM5201-E5621A"

Product Name
Aspire M5201
Operating System
Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium , Service Pack 2
Chipset
ATI RS780+SB700
Processor
AMD Phenom(tm) 9650 Quad-Core Processor
System Memory
4096 MB
Hard Drive
WDC WD6400AAKS-22A7B0 ATA Device, 596.17 GB
CD/DVD Drive
PIONEER BD-ROM BDC-202 ATA Device
KPGB OHMNO1Y3ST SCSI CdRom Device
KPGB OHMNO1Y3ST SCSI CdRom Device
Video
ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
ATI Radeon HD 3400 Series
Total Available Graphics Memory
1919 MB
Audio
ATI HDMI Audio
ATI HDMI Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio
Network
Marvell Yukon 88E8071 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
RAS Async Adapter
D-Link WUA-2340 USB Adapter
UUID
00226803EF0720081018074903000000
Serial Number
PTSAZ0X02584106A922702
BIOS Version
R01-B2
BIOS Release Date
08/15/2008

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November 6, 2010 8:25:31 PM

Your processor might bottleneck anything higher than a 5770. It's only 2.3ghz.
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Anonymous
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November 6, 2010 8:30:20 PM

For HD5770 the official site of ati-amd recommends 450 watts PSU I suggest to go to there and click on the chips to see else you risk to get something may not play in your system and we have many issues in the forum day from day with the same problem:

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-rad...

It also writes how many watts needed to CF and the HD58XX they need 2 pci-e 6 pins have that in mind.
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a c 1415 U Graphics card
November 6, 2010 8:38:01 PM

Anything more powerful than a HD5770 will be bottlenecked by your CPU. The HD5770 handles everything reasonably well up to a resolution of 1920 x 1080.
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a c 174 U Graphics card
November 6, 2010 8:56:36 PM

meh, get the 6850 if you can afford it, sure it MAY get bottlenecked by the CPU, but it means you can crank up the AA and all details without loss in FPS. Also if you want to get a new processor/overclock in the future you will get a good speed boost.
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Anonymous
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November 7, 2010 7:40:06 AM

I overclock the HD5770 to 950Mhz 1350Mhz GDDR5 and i raised my Q6600 to 3.30 for the chip to play fine the problem was that card and the Q6600 can easily brake the 450 Watts needed in the 12V trail with the 550 watts PSU is very possible in some games to have problems worst case scenario something like this to happen it can be solved with a 2 Molex to pci-e connector you can read this case here:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/forum2.php?config=t...

Sure better to go with the 68XX but in there if the worst case scenario happens he is goanna need 4 Molex to pci-e for a single card he must also have in his mind this possibility. I use HD5770 for the time been and I have hopes the new 32nm GPUs with t 32 nm GDDR to came out cause got above 73 C in Furmark 1.8 stability test with the extreme on after the overclock. With the possibility such a temperature to be created in some games CF HD5770 is out of question.

I hope I covered all your issues.

Ps: in here we have more issues about this Chip:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/forum2.php?config=t...
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a b U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 1:12:01 PM

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I overclock the HD5770 to 950Mhz 1350Mhz GDDR5 and i raised my Q6600 to 3.30 for the chip to play fine the problem was that card and the Q6600 can easily brake the 450 Watts needed in the 12V trail

Highly unlikely
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Anonymous
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November 7, 2010 1:31:17 PM

Click the second link i gave above see the 6 Gbytes, 2Gbytes usage screen shots.
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a c 1415 U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 1:40:09 PM

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Click the second link i gave above see the 6 Gbytes, 2Gbytes usage screen shots.

I looked up your link the power you measured 441watts is from the wall based on a 80+ certified PSU that will give us 352.8watts system load which is nowhere near the running limit of a quality 450watt PSU!
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Anonymous
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November 7, 2010 1:42:53 PM

What are you try say ? i get it i post it. I have also and 6 satta ii in raid 0 but this is another story, i mean i must remove 5 disks in order to give you the results you need ? Read my configuration...

As i sayed Ather system other results don't bugg me about that.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 1:49:08 PM

delluser1 said:
Highly unlikely


agreed. with a decent PSU you won't break 300w. that has proven by every web site out there.
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Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 1:57:11 PM

watts = Amber * volts a disk at full load needs 8.5 watts do the calculations your self and DONT bugg me about it.
In order to get back i must downclock my Q6600 at 3 Ghz but it creats a problem for the GPU.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 2:04:27 PM

so five HDD at full load (it happens a lot during gaming) would use 42.5w. the ATI 5770 is and Q6600 plus fans disc drivers and everything else is still around 240-270w. this was proved by every test using the ATI 5770 and over clocked i7 CPU by anandtech, tom's hardware, techpower, techspot, etc.,

that is still 100w+ well under what a continuous 430w PSU can provide.
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Anonymous
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November 7, 2010 2:07:53 PM

I get i posts it what is the meaning off all these ? i'm not gonna downclock my q6600 from 3.30 becouse you don't like the results. The bottlenecking is real

And if i remove 5 disk and if i downclock my cpu and the Thermaltake is not a quality PSU...
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a c 236 U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 2:17:59 PM

you do what ever you like. OC your q6600 to 4.0ghz. stick ten HDD in your rig, post the moon is made out of cheese, etc.,

all I stated was the fact that in every ATI 5770 review, the test system total power consumption never broke 300w. the quality of your PSU is between you and it. if you have issues with it, talk to the PSU.
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Anonymous
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November 7, 2010 2:24:13 PM

At-amd recommends 400 psu for HD5770 if you have a problem with this send them a mail:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-rad...

Also this is the test they MADE in eatch PSU:
http://sites.amd.com/us/game/products/certified/Pages/c...

these are the Official sites you don't like and these results? IS not my problem or their problem ok?

Who is winning from this BS?

PS: is not possible to OC the Q6600 above 3.30 i need a 40nm CPU for this the lowest Volts i got stable was 1.40250 i guss i can push the limits a bit more but the watts after that are going... and there is a possiblity to damage the Chip once and for all.

Anyway with 3.30 Ghz is working at 3 Ghz i was having problem.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 2:33:34 PM

no one here has stated you should not get a solid 400w PSU for an ATI 5770. In fact I would say everyone agrees with that.

you are arguing with yourself and losing...is it possible to lose to yourself in a debate? :heink: 
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a b U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 2:37:18 PM

ct1615 said:
is it possible to lose to yourself in a debate? :heink: 

You're seeing it happen ;) 
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Anonymous
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November 7, 2010 2:44:17 PM

Go and get equipment and post us your results the results i got from ATI-AMD i can verify.

They are not goanna change their results because you don’t like it and your clames I was fixing the Screenshots? Is not possible..
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a b U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 2:52:20 PM

Quote:
Go and get equipment and post us your results

Can't help you with a 5770, I do have a pair of GTX260's, each of which use's around twice the power of a 5770
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Anonymous
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November 7, 2010 3:02:12 PM

This is really helpfull special 10nx my cpu is 65 nm... You got 500 watts on load? i was thinking if i moove to to 32 Nm i will drop to 350 max. Delluser1 can i come prive?
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a c 236 U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 3:11:31 PM

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Go and get equipment and post us your results the results i got from ATI-AMD i can verify.

They are not goanna change their results because you don’t like it and your clames I was fixing the Screenshots? Is not possible..


1. i don't need to go and purchase the equipment. you see there are review web sites out there and do that for you.

Tom's 108w max power for the card. under 200w for the system
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446...

techspot. 284w total system power with an OC -i7
http://www.techspot.com/review/209-ati-radeon-hd-5770/p...

hardware canucks 252w total system power with an OC ATI 5770
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

techpower 105w max video card power
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_5770_HAWK/28....

2. go back and review everyone of my posts. please quote where I state you fixed screen shots. I'll be waiting for your apology.
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Anonymous
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November 7, 2010 3:16:18 PM

Other computers other results don't bug me anymore deluse1 can solve all my question and I don’t need your help on the issue.
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a c 273 U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 3:29:19 PM

Just drop it you two and move on as this has gone way OT.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 3:35:13 PM

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Other computers other results don't bug me anymore deluse1 can solve all my question and I don’t need your help on the issue.


well at least your finally realizing you need help and delluser knows his stuff as well as anyone on the forums.
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Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 3:55:55 PM

yes but 500 watts in 32nm ? if use the settings i gave him he will go above 500...
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a c 1415 U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 4:07:44 PM

2xGTX260!
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Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 4:26:00 PM

This is not the problem, i can calculate, only 4 workers needed 1 for each cpu Prime 95 64 bits settings go to Options Torture minimal FFT 4096 Kbytes 6Gbytes Ram to be used if you put it all you will hear your disks to work (swap file is working) You may get 51 watts if you have 6 raid 0 disks from this move.

Furmark 1.8 stability test extreme burning on 10mins.

If you don’t have a good PSU, is very possible to get a blue screen.

Ps: I’m very happy delluser1 came now we have a 32nm system and I can calculate if I go there how much I will get =;-)
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a c 130 U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 4:36:58 PM

@ Patt,
What its going to come down to is what are you playing, what sort of settings do you want to be able to run and on what size/resolution monitor. All running on Exactly what PSU ? A weak 600/700 Watt PSU is most likley a worse piece of kit than a good brand 400 Watt PSU.
Budget is another consideration but as a generic sugestion i would say get a 6850.

Anything you want clarity on or any further questions i will be only too happy to help

Mactronix :) 
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Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
November 7, 2010 4:48:54 PM

In The new system i had in mind a 876 watts bronze Thermaltake they have only 850 gold. But if delluser1 hits more than 600 watts (is a possibility) a dvd copy on the fly needs 100watts more or less then i need to go above 875 this way we can calculate our needs use 1280x1024 is nice.

This is a nice thread =;-)

That was the 6Gbytes normal stability mode furmark1.8

See it full 1280x1024 to: http://admins.bnb.gr/~giatrakis/prime-torture-6Gb.jpg

That was the torture 2Gbytes extrem frurmark 1.8 requested by an op in other thread:

Full view at http://admins.bnb.gr/~giatrakis/Prime95-torture-2Gbytes...
above 70c.....

Do this at your own risk Prime95 64 8Gbytes Furmark 1.8 extreme on when the system hits 0 memory free the swap file starts working, had stable raid and it was possible for me. If you put all your memory to prime (4096Kb minimal FFT,8000 memory to use in my case) then you may experience problem in cpu usage, stability, windows on screen may not updated, programs may stop responding for some time, etc.

Full view at http://admins.bnb.gr/~giatrakis/Prime95-torture-8Gbytes...
Don't hold me responsible if you fail not many systems can do this windows had to work (you can see it at the task manager) a 9Gbytes Swap File on the raid 0 volume total 16Gbytes ussage by the system at the same time.
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Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
November 8, 2010 9:23:04 AM

Boy’s Good news!! I did open a new hall to the side of the box and i added another NF-P12 noctua the result was the temperature of the GPU never goes above 73 no matter what -10 C at idle at the box -5 C to the cpu! In The Prime 95 64 bits 4Gbytes by itself (no furmark) the cpu never goes above 42 C (I had NH-D14 Cpu cooler and another 4 NF-P12) and see the test 20 minutes Prime 4Gbytes 4096 minimum FFT and Furmark 1.8 extreme test :

http://admins.bnb.gr/~giatrakis/Prime-Turture-4Gbytes-F...

The watts I peeking is 450 max but didn’t managed to capture it, happened only for a while. The problem is raining in Thessaloniki, Greece and this may effect the results a little.

This is the idle after the test it never went back to 27 c for the box and 24 cpu and it took time to cold but it far more better than before:
http://admins.bnb.gr//~giatrakis/idle.jpg

Noctua Power there is no substitute!
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November 22, 2010 9:42:11 PM

as you can see my vid card right now is a crappy 3400 256 mb. i am kinda stuck playing the old games and if i try playing new ones (bioshock, far cry 2 or any other game) than it just fails. i played far cry 2 on 600X800 window mode lowest everyting (pain in the ass) and i want to play some of the newer games on highest settings. someone posted that my CPU would bottleneck , so i don't know what CPU to upgrade to? i think that i will go with 6870 (futureproof) and upgrade my CPU and get a 550 PSU (also futureproof) . still not sure about the CPU tough :( 
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a c 174 U Graphics card
November 23, 2010 12:10:19 AM

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Sure better to go with the 68XX but in there if the worst case scenario happens he is goanna need 4 Molex to pci-e for a single card he must also have in his mind this possibility. I use HD5770 for the time been and I have hopes the new 32nm GPUs with t 32 nm GDDR to came out cause got above 73 C in Furmark 1.8 stability test with the extreme on after the overclock. With the possibility such a temperature to be created in some games CF HD5770 is out of question.


73 degrees is not very high for furmark. Furmark raises temps well beyond what you would see in game, at least 10 degrees in my experience.

As for the PSU debate, its good to have a psu that exceeds your power consumption requirements by a 2:3 or 3:4 ratio (as a rough guide). if your system draws 200w get a 300w (continuous rating) psu etc. It will shorten the life of your PSU the closer to its max output you run it and worse doing this for prolonged periods of time. Heat in the case and leaving a psu on 24/7 will also shorten its life.
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November 23, 2010 2:28:51 AM

Dear friend, Just buy nvidia GTS 450, it will okay for your cpu and psu. HD 5770 and above may create problem.
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