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January 6, 2011 8:51:45 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Tomorrow-Next Week


Budget Range: $500-$1000


System Usage from Most to Least Important: Bit Torrent , Watching Movies, Streaming to PS3


Parts Not Required:
Hard Drives for the RAID 5 I already bought 4 Western Digital 2.0TB WD20EARS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: The cheaper the better, I use newegg.com a lot but I have priceblink installed on my Firefox Web Browser to find even cheaper prices.


Country of Origin: USA


Parts Preferences: I prefer ASUS and Intel, but if there is a better brand I am willing to go with another. Would like to go with a Modular Power Supply if possible.


Overclocking: No


SLI or Crossfire: Maybe


Monitor Resolution:
I have a LG FLATRON M237WD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Additional Comments: Here is my current setup:
I have a Samsung HW-C560S Home Theater System
and everything is connected to it, The LG Monitor, my PS3, and for now My Asus W3J Laptop which is acting as my current home theater PC.....

I'm not sure where to start originally I wanted to use the 4X 2TB drives in a NAS Enclosure was looking at Synology DS411j but in the end a DIY build was the most logical choice due to all the things I want to do on the computer.

They machine will be on 24/7 I am a slightly bit concerned about power when I am not going to be home. I'd like to run Windows 7 on it, Movies will be watched on the PC 1080p, flash, and maybe Blu-Ray discs but I have a PS3 for that so it's not terribly important. and uTorrent will be run on it.

Preferably I'd like sound and video to be outputted via one HDMI cable, not sure if it's possible or if it's the best choice.

I'd like to go with a HTPC case the smaller the better if it's possible, At least 5 hard drive bays if possible, I do not want to install the OS on the RAID 5 array. The quieter the better.

Well that's pretty much all the information I have. Any questions feel free to ask I'll reply as soon as I read the feedback.
January 6, 2011 10:49:38 PM

Getting a 4x drive RAID5 array, boot drive, and an optical drive into a small space is quite a challenge. You'll need a motherboard with at least 6 SATA ports and RAID5 support.

What do you think of the Lian Li PC-V354 line of cases? That is about as small as you will get unless you want to invest in the mini-ITX PC-Q series cases. Unfortunately, RAID5 on mini-ITX is a very rare thing, you would most likely have to get an expensive PCI-express RAID card to go that small. Of course you could also go with one of the larger HTPC cases.

I think you need to decide on the case first for your project. How small do you want it to be? That will determine a the rest.
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January 7, 2011 2:23:45 AM

rwpritchett said:
Getting a 4x drive RAID5 array, boot drive, and an optical drive into a small space is quite a challenge. You'll need a motherboard with at least 6 SATA ports and RAID5 support.

What do you think of the Lian Li PC-V354 line of cases? That is about as small as you will get unless you want to invest in the mini-ITX PC-Q series cases. Unfortunately, RAID5 on mini-ITX is a very rare thing, you would most likely have to get an expensive PCI-express RAID card to go that small. Of course you could also go with one of the larger HTPC cases.

I think you need to decide on the case first for your project. How small do you want it to be? That will determine a the rest.


I looked at the links you posted. I was reading another thread where the 3ware RAID card was recommended as well. I guess the next question I should ask before going further is this:
Which will provide more reliability a Hardware RAID card or built in RAID on a mother board?

If Hardware RAID Card will prove to be more reliable, then the cases in this link are the ones I will choose from: Mini-ITX Tower

If there is no difference then I will use the built-in RAID on the motherboard and go with one of these cases: Micro-ATX Mini Tower or the HTPC cases.
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January 7, 2011 3:25:54 AM

Take a look at the Lian Li PC-Q08. That thing has 6 hard drive bays, but is quite large by mini-itx standards.

As for the MB, Zotac announced just today it's H67-ITX WiFi motherboard, which DOES support RAID5, but you'll have to wait a while for that to be released, obviously.
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January 7, 2011 3:37:32 AM

Can you please edit out the bittorrent parts of your message pirating is not supported at all on tom's hardware.

Going the Sandy Bridge Route is going to be expensive I think the AMD Athlon II x3 450 should be the basis of your build
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January 7, 2011 3:47:16 AM

I was facing a similar dilemma a while back and i decided to purchase a Synology DiskStation DS410. I have 4x2TB hardrives in a RAID5 set up and it performs beautifully. I can stream HD content flawlessly around my home network. The Synology NAS's come with a lot of great features aswell so you can use it for much more than just storing and streaming your media. You can use it as a Download Station to torrent with, you can set up a mail or web server, you can access it from anywhere via FTP and much more.

An alternative route to building a big PC with your raid 5 array and regular PC in one package would be to get a Synology NAS (or any other good one like Qnap) and then buy a mini-itx system (prebuilt would be cheaper i think) like the Acer Revo, Asrock HTPC series, Zotac HTPC series, etc.

Although this may turn out to be a bit more expensive, you gain more reliability with your RAID array, and you don't have one giant power consuming box. Instead you will get two low power consuming devices which will give you most of the same functionality if not more.

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January 7, 2011 4:04:20 AM

joelmartinez said:
Can you please edit out the bittorrent parts of your message pirating is not supported at all on tom's hardware.

Going the Sandy Bridge Route is going to be expensive I think the AMD Athlon II x3 450 should be the basis of your build

I will l not edit the bittorrent part of my post because frankly I said nothing about pirating. Why do people automatically assume that bittorrent is piracy?
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January 7, 2011 4:11:52 AM

undadawg said:
I was facing a similar dilemma a while back and i decided to purchase a Synology DiskStation DS410. I have 4x2TB hardrives in a RAID5 set up and it performs beautifully. I can stream HD content flawlessly around my home network. The Synology NAS's come with a lot of great features aswell so you can use it for much more than just storing and streaming your media. You can use it as a Download Station to torrent with, you can set up a mail or web server, you can access it from anywhere via FTP and much more.

An alternative route to building a big PC with your raid 5 array and regular PC in one package would be to get a Synology NAS (or any other good one like Qnap) and then buy a mini-itx system (prebuilt would be cheaper i think) like the Acer Revo, Asrock HTPC series, Zotac HTPC series, etc.

Although this may turn out to be a bit more expensive, you gain more reliability with your RAID array, and you don't have one giant power consuming box. Instead you will get two low power consuming devices which will give you most of the same functionality if not more.


I actually bought a Synology DS211J it had all the features I was looking for but I returned it as it could not provide the streaming needs I was looking for to my PS3.

I'm seriously considering going this route. Thing is I have 5 Computers right now on almost all the time. If I build this machine I can knock 4 machines out.
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January 7, 2011 4:28:01 AM

2135 said:
Take a look at the Lian Li PC-Q08. That thing has 6 hard drive bays, but is quite large by mini-itx standards.

As for the MB, Zotac announced just today it's H67-ITX WiFi motherboard, which DOES support RAID5, but you'll have to wait a while for that to be released, obviously.


That motherboard looks very nice!
I like the fact that I can, in the future, add a gaming graphics card.
Zotac H67-ITX
Zotac Site H67-ITX Details

I think I may wait for that motherboard. I'm not crazy for the wi-fi, the box will be wired to my gigabit network. One major concern I have is will I be able to replace a failed hard drive on the RAID 5 array. I already lost a 500GB and a 400GB hard drive on JBOD not interested in losing all the data on another hard drive.

That case looks good as well. I think I have the motherboard and case right now!
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January 7, 2011 4:29:28 AM

A hardware RAID card is better than the one on the mobo since a card has dedicated hardware which improves reliability and speed.

The RAID solution on the mobo uses the CPU and transfer rate is generally not as fast as a dedicated card.
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January 7, 2011 4:47:40 AM

jaguarskx said:
A hardware RAID card is better than the one on the mobo since a card has dedicated hardware which improves reliability and speed.

The RAID solution on the mobo uses the CPU and transfer rate is generally not as fast as a dedicated card.


I do have an option to add a Hardware RAID card to the mother board that 2135 recommended to me, the Zotac H67-ITX so a hardware RAID card is not entirely out of the picture.
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January 7, 2011 5:28:38 AM

Just pitching a few pennies, at the curb, here ...

The first point is that all the "dependability" that striping redundancy affords is moot, if you do not have (at least, one, or) several matching spares, with which to rebuild the inevitable "failed array".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_0--PQqytU&feature=rela...



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January 7, 2011 5:50:02 AM

jaguarskx said:
A hardware RAID card is better than the one on the mobo since a card has dedicated hardware which improves reliability and speed.

The RAID solution on the mobo uses the CPU and transfer rate is generally not as fast as a dedicated card.



Not all add-in controllers are fully independent "true hardware" RAID ... In fact many, if not most, of the cheaper cards are not "true hardware" and are NOT fully independent.
... YOU must verify, in the specs ... If it is TRUE HW, believe me, they will SHOUT IT.

... It should also be noted that compared to a PENTIUM 4's power, an i7-950 (as one example of a powerful CPU) is not nearly as "TAXED", by internal RAID chores, as the older generation of platforms were ... all the "bridge-pipes" are wider & faster, nowadays, too.

I will (only now) "allow" an internal (southbridge) RAID-0, as a fast scratch-write drive for less-compressed, SDI media capture and streaming ... but ONLY with TWO drives ... ONLY RAID-0, and not for "precious archives", either.

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January 7, 2011 6:04:05 AM

Alvin Smith said:
Just pitching a few pennies, at the curb, here ...

The first point is that all the "dependability" that striping redundancy affords is moot, if you do not have (at least, one, or) several matching spares, with which to rebuild the inevitable "failed array".

This is also true, for RAID 0+1 and RAID 1+0 configs (which make more sense for video editing, at higher data rates).

************* WIKIPEDIA QUOTE ************************
[RAID LEVELS]:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Standard_levels


Nested (hybrid) RAIDMain article: Nested RAID levels
In what was originally termed hybrid RAID,[5] many storage controllers allow RAID levels to be nested. The elements of a RAID may be either individual disks or RAIDs themselves. Nesting more than two deep is unusual.

As there is no basic RAID level numbered larger than 9, nested RAIDs are usually unambiguously described by attaching the numbers indicating the RAID levels, sometimes with a "+" in between. The order of the digits in a nested RAID designation is the order in which the nested array is built: for RAID 1+0 first pairs of drives are combined into two or more RAID 1 arrays (mirrors), and then the resulting RAID 1 arrays are combined into a RAID 0 array (stripes). It is also possible to combine stripes into mirrors (RAID 0+1). The final step is known as the top array. When the top array is a RAID 0 (such as in RAID 10 and RAID 50) most vendors omit the "+", though RAID 5+0 is clearer.

RAID 0+1: striped sets in a mirrored set ( minimum four disks; even number of disks) provides fault tolerance and improved performance but increases complexity.
The key difference from RAID 1+0 is that RAID 0+1 creates a second striped set to mirror a primary striped set. The array continues to operate with one or more drives failed in the same mirror set, but if drives fail on both sides of the mirror the data on the RAID system is lost.
RAID 1+0: mirrored sets in a striped set (minimum two disks but more commonly four disks to take advantage of speed benefits; even number of disks) provides fault tolerance and improved performance but increases complexity.
The key difference from RAID 0+1 is that RAID 1+0 creates a striped set from a series of mirrored drives. In a failed disk situation, RAID 1+0 performs better because all the remaining disks continue to be used. The array can sustain multiple drive losses so long as no mirror loses all its drives.

********************** End Wiki Quote **************************

I would not have an internal (to your PC) array, other than a RAID-0 scratch array, purely for high-speed writes, such as HD-SDI (uncompressed video) capture, etc.

Internal arrays are sw based and lean on central compute resources ... they generate heat ... they block open air-flow ... they lean hard on your PSU (which supplies power to EVERYthing).

External eSATA or Giga-NAS, with an independent "True Hardware Controller" is, IMO, the ONLY way to go (for anything but on-board RAID-0, using two drives).

Get a few spares ... you can use them as simple, external USB (rotating) backup drives, until the array fails (it will) ...

... If/when your array DOES fail ... FIRST ... RESEAT ALL YOUR CARDS AND CABLES AND CONNECTORS ... including power, etc. ... Sometimes, it is just oxidation on the contacts and reseating rubs the contacts clean and re-establishes a firm connection.

... vibration (over time) and transportation shock (even from one side of the desk to the other ... or the cleaning staff) can also degrade the connections of a "complex" array.

K.I.S.S. !! Bottom Line ? ... Don't RAID unless you REALLY NEED TO !!! Grief & Expense !


But, iffin you DO insist ... I'd tell you to get one of these very reasonably priced external units.

http://www.g-technology.com/products/g-speed-q.cfm


>>> AND A FEW MATCHING SPARE/UTILITY DRIVES <<<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_0--PQqytU&feature=rela...


Uggh and that's where my problem lies. I do understand that RAID is not a True backup solution. I already invested money and bought 4X 2TB drives.


The drives are just sitting there unwrapped waiting for a job right now, damn this economy is hurtin' everyone.


Is buying a external RAID box and connecting it to the computer I may build the best solution to what I am looking for?

As opposed to buying a RAID card and just installing it on the PC.

If I decide to go with a external unit should I make sure it has a USB 3.0 port or a eSATA port?

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January 7, 2011 9:10:13 AM

OHHhhhhh ! ... You know, sometimes I get a little jaded and I just skim over "squirelly sounding" requirements, which fall outside the normal, gaming or business or pro-graphics builds ... And my first impression was that you just wanted to do raid because you had read some article and thot it might be "cool" ...

... But ... You seemed to have a fairly clear goal, though it sounded rather fuzzy.

... I decided to throw off my predjudice and stuffiness and really went back and intensely perused your first post (third time's the charm).

You were actually very clear about what you want to do and your budget DOES seem adequate.

First ... Here is my "abstract/synopsis" of how I interpret your goals ...

... You wish to download, store, manage and stream compressed media content, probably, to include transcoding and "mashing" of various ccompressed multimedia content.

... By "compressed content", I am limiting the bandwidth of the media compression to several, simultaneous streams of MP3/MP4/AVCHD/AVC/H.264 Inter-Frame 4:2:0 (8-bit color space), not exceeding 24Mbits/sec (per each of 4 streams) ... To be able to download a BluRay movie, while watching an other movie and transcoding 16bit PCM audio to .mp3 format .... and to store a large library of content, for flexible distribution.

... [wheezing, now] ... AND ... to doo all that and to FIT all that into a cool, quiet, compact and attractive, low-power package, for under $2K US Dollars, correct ??

You wish to *COMBINE* a network media archive server, with a Robust HTPC and, if you can swing it, you would also like to have a powerful multitasking multimedia project studio PC ... ALL ... for under ~$2K .... Hmmmm ...

We can ALMOST do ALL that ... but not with INTEL and ASUS and prolly not in an HTPC case ... To be practical ...

... You munch, on this, and I will look for a "DESKTOP FORM FACTOR" case ...

.... I can tell you, right now ... A Seasonic "X"-series PSU is in your future !!!

... I'll prolly be ready to respond, with VIABLE OPTIONS (Guaranteed Certified Overhead). IF *YOU* can get over your OWN prejudices, about BRANDS and Form Factors ...

.... Let me know iffin you wish to play.

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January 7, 2011 9:26:37 AM

OH ... DANG ... Only a $1000 budget ??? ... Geeez ...

... Well ... We can STILL get you a very decent HTPC+Media Server, for that ...
... You could retask your notebook to other tasks and have a secure place to store
your content ...

... I am thinking there may be some advantage to going with TWO RAID arrays, consisting of TWO drives EACH ... Two RAID-0 Arrays, one, the mirror of the other.
... If you want to get into the reasons, I will elucidate, but the short answer is that you will have better performance (speed) and 66% of the space capscity, of RAID-5, without any down time, if one of the two RAID-0 arrays should fail ... WHILE, without any SPARES to rebuild a RAID-5 FAILURE, you are screwed, and you had slower performance with it, anyhow.
... Frankly, I don't know if the onboard controller will support RAID(0+1), but lots of dirt-cheap PCIe Controllers do ... Like "Promise", and others.

... FORGET **ALL** about INTEL and ASUS ... Not gonna happen.

... You can forget about SEASONIC, too ... Maybe a Corsair or an Antec Earth-Watts.

So much for "Intense Perusal".



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January 7, 2011 10:03:21 AM

contro said:
I actually bought a Synology DS211J it had all the features I was looking for but I returned it as it could not provide the streaming needs I was looking for to my PS3.

I'm seriously considering going this route. Thing is I have 5 Computers right now on almost all the time. If I build this machine I can knock 4 machines out.


thats surprising that it couldn't meet your streaming needs, my DS410 can stream one if not two 720p/1080p at the same time to different computers.

Anyway, if you're keen on building this machine i would advise not going for a case that is too small. You wan't to keep the hard drives (and the overall rig) as cool as possible since you're going to be using it to back up your data onto a RAID5 array.

Anyways, goodluck :) 
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January 7, 2011 10:08:57 AM

NOTICE ... I will continue to edit and develop the build, on THIS message posting.
................The contents of THIS post is subject to change ... check back frequently.
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Motherboard ... Well, HERE is your "ASUS" Motherboard ... But NOT INTEL SOCKET !

ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
$140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=eCWbkolMf0DOW0IV

And ... Here is ALL THE PROC YOU WILL NEED (Does Everything you asked + plenty of head-room)
... On YOUR budget, you will be using the STOCK COOLER (3.2GHz, stock ! .. No OC req'd ! )

AMD Athlon II X3 450 Rana 3.2GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX450WFGMBOX
$80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This DRAM is DDR3 1333cas9 ... 4GB is WAY PLENTY (but not too much).

Mushkin Enhanced Essentials 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996586
$40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


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A few specifically pertinent features of this mobo option
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http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=eCWbkolMf0DOW0IV

HDMI Support
Enjoy Full HD 1080p Multimedia Home-Theater Entertainment
High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) is a set of digital video standards that delivers multi-channel audio and uncompressed digital video for full HD 1080p visuals through through a single cable. Supporting HDCP copy protection such as HD DVD and Blu-ray Discs, HDMI provides you with the highest-quality home theater experience

Integrated ATI Radeon™ HD 4290 GPU
Multi-VGA output support: HDMI, DVI-D and RGB ports
Supports HDMI with max. resolution 1920 x 1200 (1080P)
Supports DVI with max. resolution 2560x1600 @60Hz
Supports RGB with max. resolution 2560x1440 @75Hz
Support H.264, VC-1, MPEG-2, DirectX10.1 and OpenGL2.0
Support Shader Model 4.1, Universal Video Decoder (UVD) 2.0
Max. UMA Memory Size: 512 MB
128MB DDR3 1333 sideport memory support

SB850 Chipset
6 xSATA 6.0 Gb/s ports Support RAID 0,1,5,10
JMicron® JMB361 PATA and SATA controller
1 xUltraDMA 133/100 for up to 2 PATA devices
1 xExternal Power eSATA 3.0Gb/s port

Realtek® 8111E Gigabit LAN controller featuring AI NET2

Audio ALC 892 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC
- BD Audio Layer Content Protection
- Support 192khz/24bit True BD Lossless Sound
- DTS Surround Sensation UltraPC
- Supports Jack-Detection, Multi-Streaming, and Front Panel Jack-Retasking
- Optical S/PDIF Out ports at back I/O
- ASUS Noise Filter

DTS
DTS Surround Sensation UltraPC
DTS Surround Sensation UltraPC delivers exceptional 5.1 surround experience through the most common PC audio setups - your existing stereo speakers or headphones. In addition to virtual surround, “Bass enhancement” provides stronger low frequency bass sound, and “Voice clarification” provides clear human dialogue even with loud background sound. With these technologies, you may experience a better home-theater audio with ease.

High Definition Audio
Enjoy high-end sound system on your PC!
The onboard 8-channel HD audio (High Definition Audio, previously codenamed Azalia) CODEC enables high-quality 192KHz/24-bit audio output, jack-sensing feature, retasking functions and multi-streaming technology that simultaneously sends different audio streams to different destinations. You can now talk to your partners on the headphone while playing a multi-channel network games. All of these are done on one computer.

S/PDIF-out on Back I/O Port
This motherboard provides convenient connectivity to external home theater audio systems via optical S/PDIF-out (SONY-PHILIPS Digital Interface) jacks. It allows to transfer digital audio without converting to analog format and keeps the best signal quality.

Noise Filter
Eliminate background noise while recording
This feature detects repetitive and stationary noises like computer fans, air conditioners, and other background noises then eliminates it in the incoming audio stream while recording.


True USB 3.0 Support
Realize the True Future!! - TRUE USB 3.0 Support!
Experience ultra-fast data transfers at 4.8 Gb/s with USB 3.0–the latest connectivity standard. Built to connect easily with next-generation components and peripherals, USB 3.0 transfers data 10X faster and is also backward compatible with USB 2.0 components.

True SATA 6Gb/s Support
The AMD® SB850 Southbridge natively supports next-generation Serial ATA (SATA) storage interface, this motherboard delivers up to 6.0 Gb/s data transfer rates. Additionally, get enhanced scalability, faster data retrieval, double the bandwidth of current bus systems.

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Back Panel I/O Ports
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1 x DVI
1 x D-Sub
1 x HDMI
1 x S/PDIF Out (Optical)
1 x IEEE 1394a
1 x LAN(RJ45) port
8 -Channel Audio I/O
1 x PS/2 Keyboard (Purple)
1 x Power eSATA
4 x USB 2.0/1.1 ports
2 x USB 3.0 ports

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Internal I/O Connectors
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4 x USB connectors support additional 8 USB ports
1 x IDE connector
1 x IEEE 1394a connector
1 x CPU Fan connector
1 x Power Fan connector
6 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors
1 x Chassis Fan connector (4-pin)
1 x Chassis Fan connector (3-pin)
1 x S/PDIF Out Header
1 x Core Unlocker Switch
1 x Turbo Key II Switch
1 x MemOK! Button
Front panel audio connector
1 x COM connector
1 x Clear CMOS jumper
1 x 24-pin ATX Power connector
1 x 8-pin ATX 12V Power connector
System Panel

http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguag...





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January 7, 2011 2:07:57 PM

Alvin Smith said:
OHHhhhhh ! ... You know, sometimes I get a little jaded and I just skim over "squirelly sounding" requirements, which fall outside the normal, gaming or business or pro-graphics builds ... And my first impression was that you just wanted to do raid because you had read some article and thot it might be "cool" ...

... But ... You seemed to have a fairly clear goal, though it sounded rather fuzzy.

... I decided to throw off my predjudice and stuffiness and really went back and intensely perused your first post (third time's the charm).

You were actually very clear about what you want to do and your budget DOES seem adequate.

First ... Here is my "abstract/synopsis" of how I interpret your goals ...

... You wish to download, store, manage and stream compressed media content, probably, to include transcoding and "mashing" of various ccompressed multimedia content.

... By "compressed content", I am limiting the bandwidth of the media compression to several, simultaneous streams of MP3/MP4/AVCHD/AVC/H.264 Inter-Frame 4:2:0 (8-bit color space), not exceeding 24Mbits/sec (per each of 4 streams) ... To be able to download a BluRay movie, while watching an other movie and transcoding 16bit PCM audio to .mp3 format .... and to store a large library of content, for flexible distribution.

... [wheezing, now] ... AND ... to doo all that and to FIT all that into a cool, quiet, compact and attractive, low-power package, for under $2K US Dollars, correct ??

You wish to *COMBINE* a network media archive server, with a Robust HTPC and, if you can swing it, you would also like to have a powerful multitasking multimedia project studio PC ... ALL ... for under ~$2K .... Hmmmm ...

We can ALMOST do ALL that ... but not with INTEL and ASUS and prolly not in an HTPC case ... To be practical ...

... You munch, on this, and I will look for a "DESKTOP FORM FACTOR" case ...

.... I can tell you, right now ... A Seasonic "X"-series PSU is in your future !!!

... I'll prolly be ready to respond, with VIABLE OPTIONS (Guaranteed Certified Overhead). IF *YOU* can get over your OWN prejudices, about BRANDS and Form Factors ...

.... Let me know iffin you wish to play.


Well I won't be streaming to multiple machines at the same time, the plan is if possible is to only stream to the PS3 on occasion and maybe to one other PC.

The computer after all will be hooked up to the monitor and be used as a media center PC. I am not looking to stream to several machines at once.

The ASUS and Intel thing were just a preference I am willing to bypass buying intel and asus and go with another brand. Any other brand is fine with me as long as it will work.
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January 7, 2011 2:10:01 PM

Alvin Smith said:
OH ... DANG ... Only a $1000 budget ??? ... Geeez ...

... Well ... We can STILL get you a very decent HTPC+Media Server, for that ...
... You could retask your notebook to other tasks and have a secure place to store
your content ...

... I am thinking there may be some advantage to going with TWO RAID arrays, consisting of TWO drives EACH ... Two RAID-0 Arrays, one, the mirror of the other.
... If you want to get into the reasons, I will elucidate, but the short answer is that you will have better performance (speed) and 66% of the space capscity, of RAID-5, without any down time, if one of the two RAID-0 arrays should fail ... WHILE, without any SPARES to rebuild a RAID-5 FAILURE, you are screwed, and you had slower performance with it, anyhow.
... Frankly, I don't know if the onboard controller will support RAID(0+1), but lots of dirt-cheap PCIe Controllers do ... Like "Promise", and others.

... FORGET **ALL** about INTEL and ASUS ... Not gonna happen.

... You can forget about SEASONIC, too ... Maybe a Corsair or an Antec Earth-Watts.

So much for "Intense Perusal".


For a time I was looking to buy a 1080p output capable netbook to solve my HTPC needs and then just buy a RAID array box. As time progressed I lost a 400GB HD and decided that I need a better data solution to be implemented and the netbook idea faded away.

I like the idea of having no downtime should one of the two RAID arrays should fail.
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January 7, 2011 2:12:19 PM

undadawg said:
thats surprising that it couldn't meet your streaming needs, my DS410 can stream one if not two 720p/1080p at the same time to different computers.

Anyway, if you're keen on building this machine i would advise not going for a case that is too small. You wan't to keep the hard drives (and the overall rig) as cool as possible since you're going to be using it to back up your data onto a RAID5 array.

Anyways, goodluck :) 


The streaming needs I was looking for was for my PS3 and I needed subtitle support and other things as well. I ran searches and found that in order to do this Tversity would need to be installed on another computer and then be transcoded etc etc, so I figured why not just build a HTPC and make that the streaming server DLNA etc
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Alvin Smith said:
NOTICE ... I will continue to edit and develop the build, on THIS message posting.
................The contents of THIS page is subject to change ... check back frequently.
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Motherboard ... Well, HERE is your "ASUS" Motherboard ... But NOT INTEL SOCKET !

ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
$140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=eCWbkolMf0DOW0IV

And ... Here is ALL THE PROC YOU WILL NEED (Does Everything you asked + plenty of head-room)
... On YOUR budget, you will be using the STOCK COOLER (3.2GHz, stock ! .. No OC req'd ! )

AMD Athlon II X3 450 Rana 3.2GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX450WFGMBOX
$80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This DRAM is DDR3 1333cas9 ... 4GB is WAY PLENTY (but not too much).

Mushkin Enhanced Essentials 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996586
$40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...




That is a really attractive dirt cheap setup you provided me with. I really like where the price is headed.

I do understand that it makes a bit more sense to go with a larger case so that there is better airflow. If I go with a larger case I do want it to be quiet I mean a larger case would make for larger fans that could be spun at lower RPM and move more air correct?

Well I like what is going on with your post, looks like I have two major options so far.
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January 7, 2011 3:12:01 PM

Well ... we might come in, SO far under budget, that we can afford a REAL 120mm Hyper212+ cooler which will cut down further on the noise ...

... Looks like you can eke-by without a discreet GPU, but there are provisions for up to TWO (gaming GPUs) if you ever want to do that ... you can have one X16 GPU or two x8 GPUs, in crossfire (This mobo does not support SLI but you can put two nVidias in there) ... they just won't SLI. ... Not likely to be an issue, now or later.

SO ... I will modify that build post by deleting all the extra details, about the mobo ...and continuing, with the proposed budget build.

... I suggest the RAID-10 mode, which this mobo will support, without an add-in cntrlr.

... Silence and dependability would both be well served with that X-Series SeaSonic PSU, if you can afford to focus some funds, to THAT ... but those 4 spinners, of yours, are going to be the noisiest components if you go with a 120mm cooler and a GREAT PSU.

If you could go with a STANDARD MID TOWER, that would provide you with more options and flexibility, at the lowest price point, and that physical layout makes much more sense, for a 4-drive (2x2) RAID setup.

... OR ... A standard desktop would be the same size as a mid-tower, but with the horizontal, desk-top orientation ... WHICH ONE ??

Think about THAT and lemme know if you have a STRONG preference for one orientation, over the other.


*****************

I have business errands, today, so may be after midnight before I can "really get into it".

... Once "we" can come up with a complete budget config, that will work and be quiet, then we can see if your budget and your desires would provide some wiggle-room for some worthy upgrades, where it would make a real difference.

later.
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January 7, 2011 4:33:26 PM

SeaSonic X650 Gold 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As a leading provider of silent power supplies, Sea Sonic delivers a true breakthrough solution for thermal and noise management. The X Series adopts a clever “Hybrid Silent Fan Control” design, which offers three distinct operation modes, fanless mode, silent mode, and cooling mode. The X automatically adjusts fan mode and speed according to the ambient temperature level. This brand new design not only optimizes heat dissipation, but also prolongs the lifespan of the system by reducing unnecessary fan rotation. To make the X Series even more robust and exciting, Sea Sonic offers a Sanyo Denki San Ace PWM Silent Fan, the best fan there is in the industry, to take advantage of the PWM feature.

The very first full modular multi-output ATX, high-wattage power supply that has ever obtained the 80PLUS Gold certification is introduced by Sea Sonic. This coveted power supply is named “X” and is offered in 650 watt version to fulfill computer enthusiasts’ need for the ultimate power source.

Patented DC Connector Module with Integrated VRM [Voltage Regulator Module]
DC to DC Converter Design
Patented Hybrid Silent Fan Control
Sanyo Denki San Ace PWM Silent Fan
Conductive Polymer Aluminum Solid Capacitors
Highly Reliable 105°C Japanese Brand Capacitors
Tight Voltage Regulation [±3%]
Active Power Factor Correction [99% PF Typical]
Ample +12V Output
Dual Sided PCB Layout
Ultra Ventilation [Honeycomb Structure]
Full Modular Cabling Design
Multi-GPU Technologies Supported
All-in-One DC Cabling Design
Patented Easy Swap Connector
Universal AC Input [Full Range] Manufacturer Warranty
Parts 5 years limited
Labor 5 years limited
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January 7, 2011 5:08:04 PM

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SILVERSTONE Black Aluminum / Steel LC10B-E ATX Media Center / HTPC Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The Silverstone LC10B-E case takes the classic desktop configuration and updates it for use as an HTPC. The front panel is both elegant and devoid of any unsightly holes. The two rear 80mm fans configuration provides ample airflow to easily handle the heat from the components. A front I/O panel on the front sports a pair of USB 2.0 ports, a FireWire port and two audio jacks for an easy connection to your peripherals.

Inside the case there is as much space as a standard tower. There are seven internal 3.5” bays so you can set up a huge storage array with RAID data security. The motherboard tray will handle both micro and standard ATX boards. Everything else in your media cabinet is top-shelf; shouldn't your HTPC case be, too?

Expansion
External 5.25" Drive Bays 1
Internal 3.5" Drive Bays 7 Front Ports
Front USB Ports Yes
Front FireWire Ports Yes
Front Audio Ports Yes
Front eSATA Ports No
Front Card Reader No
Remote Control Module No
Front Display No Cooling System
80mm Fans 2 x 80mm exhaust, 2050rpm, 21dBA
Side Air duct No Features
Features Home theater component styling
Stealth optical drive slot
Next generation cooling performance
Abundant front I/O ports
2 x 92mm or 80mm fan slots
1 x 80mm fan slot & PSU vents
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January 7, 2011 5:26:20 PM

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
$30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This Hyper-212+ 120mm Cooler comes with one fan and includes mounting brackets for two matched fans, in push-pull configuration. ...
... The Hyper-212+ also comes with good thermal paste and can cool a hex-core CPU upgrade, without modification ... even for fairly agressive Over-Clocking.

Silent operation with minimal noise level at 13 dBA
(Anything under 20 dBA will be more quiet than your RAID Array).

Model
Brand COOLER MASTER
Model RR-B10-212P-G1 Spec
Type Fan & Heatsinks
Fan Size 120mm
Compatibility Intel: Socket LGA1366 / 1156 / 1155 / 775
AMD: Socket AM3 / AM2 / AM2+
Bearing Type Long life sleeve
RPM 600 - 2000 RPM
Air Flow 21.2 - 76.8 CFM
Noise Level 13 - 32 dBA
Power Connector 4 Pin
Heatsink Material Aluminum Physical Spec
Fan Dimensions 120 x 120 x 25 mm
Weight 626g Features
Features Well-balanced cooling performance
1. Computer aided heatsink design provides fin optimization with perfect balance between high and low speed operation.
2. 4 x Direct Contact heat-pipes for seamless contact between CPU surface and cooler.
3. Wide-range PWM fan with unique blade design for excellent airflow.
4. Upgradable to dual fans and swapping of fans with extra fan-clips included.
Fan mounting using clips for easy installation and swapping.
Versatile all-in-one mounting solution for Intel Socket LGA775/1156/1366 and AMD Socket AM3 / AM2 / AM2+.
Silent operation with minimal noise level at 13 dBA

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January 7, 2011 9:00:02 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Well ... we might come in, SO far under budget, that we can afford a REAL 120mm Hyper212+ cooler which will cut down further on the noise ...

... Looks like you can eke-by without a discreet GPU, but there are provisions for up to TWO (gaming GPUs) if you ever want to do that ... you can have one X16 GPU or two x8 GPUs, in crossfire (This mobo does not support SLI but you can put two nVidias in there) ... they just won't SLI. ... Not likely to be an issue, now or later.

SO ... I will modify that build post by deleting all the extra details, about the mobo ...and continuing, with the proposed budget build.

... I suggest the RAID-10 mode, which this mobo will support, without an add-in cntrlr.

... Silence and dependability would both be well served with that X-Series SeaSonic PSU, if you can afford to focus some funds, to THAT ... but those 4 spinners, of yours, are going to be the noisiest components if you go with a 120mm cooler and a GREAT PSU.

If you could go with a STANDARD MID TOWER, that would provide you with more options and flexibility, at the lowest price point, and that physical layout makes much more sense, for a 4-drive (2x2) RAID setup.

... OR ... A standard desktop would be the same size as a mid-tower, but with the horizontal, desk-top orientation ... WHICH ONE ??

Think about THAT and lemme know if you have a STRONG preference for one orientation, over the other.


*****************

I have business errands, today, so may be after midnight before I can "really get into it".

... Once "we" can come up with a complete budget config, that will work and be quiet, then we can see if your budget and your desires would provide some wiggle-room for some worthy upgrades, where it would make a real difference.

later.


Standard mid tower sounds good. I like that modular Power supply also looks sweet!
It will be standing up longways like what is happening right now in this pic If I decide to go with a mid-tower the dell is getting junked something wrong with the PSU:
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January 8, 2011 1:49:09 AM

GOOD !!

... The HTPC cases just introduce physical hassels ... Whew! ... GOOD CALL !!

Look at the Antec 300 ILLUSION model ... does that "look" appeal, to you ?

Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LIAN LI Lancool PC-K7B Black Aluminum/ SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$60 *** ABS PLASTIC *** (but LOOK at ALL the photos !! )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 8, 2011 5:00:18 AM

Alvin Smith said:
GOOD !!

... The HTPC cases just introduce physical hassels ... Whew! ... GOOD CALL !!

Look at the Antec 300 ILLUSION model ... does that "look" appeal, to you ?

Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LIAN LI Lancool PC-K7B Black Aluminum/ SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$60 *** ABS PLASTIC *** (but LOOK at ALL the photos !! )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I like the Antec Illusion it definitely appeals to me, as well as the COOLER MASTER HAF 912 I'm gonna bypass the LIAN-LI as it only has a buy rate of 24%.

I really Like the Antec and the Cooler Master. So I guess it's between those two right now.
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January 8, 2011 5:02:08 AM

contro said:
That motherboard looks very nice!
I like the fact that I can, in the future, add a gaming graphics card.
Zotac H67-ITX
Zotac Site H67-ITX Details

I think I may wait for that motherboard. I'm not crazy for the wi-fi, the box will be wired to my gigabit network. One major concern I have is will I be able to replace a failed hard drive on the RAID 5 array. I already lost a 500GB and a 400GB hard drive on JBOD not interested in losing all the data on another hard drive.

That case looks good as well. I think I have the motherboard and case right now!



Any feedback or input about this motherboard Alvin?
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January 8, 2011 6:39:18 AM

Well ... you really do not want to know what I think ...

... Let's just say I was wondering if there was any life left in socket 1156 and ...

... and, now, I can see that it DOES have some life left in it ...

... By assigning the first sandies to this socket, and going with micro-ATX, they have solved the "cobbled bus" issue ... because mini-ATX boards only allow for ONE gpu slot, which leaves more open PCIe lanes, for extra ports ... And ... since the sandie do run cooler, and drink less, it makes them a perfect match for the mini form factor ... Add, to that, the advanced onboard graphics accelleration (of the sandies), and you have a very decent "home entertainment rig" ...

... So, add an external media storage array (RAID-10), to that, and you have the whole she-bang ... you can even ditch your PS3/X-Box.

Being able to put more graphics power, into a SINGLE GPU slot, (just lately), with mitigated power draw, allows for enough "studio I/O" flexibility to assure a reasonable modicum of (studio-multuplex) flexibility.

... I really do hate to say it ... but I kinda like the whole idea ... especially for college students, who move from place to place (in their car).

A fairly handy and weildy piece of kit, and it SURE aint no ATOM !

Not MY own personal cup-o-tea, tho. I prefer a WIDE-OPEN and long-lived, platform, with lots of flexibility and expandibility.

I do like the company (Zotac) ... they are kinda radical rogues and put out some unique products (like my fanless GT240s, supporting OGL3.2, etc.) ...

... BUT ... I think doing the RAID and the "puter" in one larger case will be "just better", in the LONG RUN ... Both because of less heat and better air-flow ... and because of the MANY more available lanes on 890 and X59 chipsets.

... It would also really like to see the "fully loaded" price, of the Zotac (relative to a mid-tower 890G build).

... There is much merit, on the face of it, if the price is right (the Zotac) ... Lots of selling points and "life-style appeal".

... ME? ... I work,live,play in a multimedia project studio ... I need to be able to multiplex with a much wider bus and more slots.

The Zotac makes great sense for anyone who moves around and has limited living space ... just handy and capable.

... just not that expandable ... but it has enough ports that, for most media-dens, it is way plenty.

... ANOTHER ADVANTAGE ... Put that noisy RAID array in a completely different room !!!.

NOTE: That would mean GIGABIT ETHERNET, as the interface ... NOT USB3 or eSATA.

... USB3 and eSATA have strict (and scant) limitations on cable length !!!

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January 8, 2011 11:19:00 AM

Alvin Smith said:
Well ... you really do not want to know what I think ...

... Let's just say I was wondering if there was any life left in socket 1156 and ...

... and, now, I can see that it DOES have some life left in it ...

... By assigning the first sandies to this socket, and going with micro-ATX, they have solved the "cobbled bus" issue ... because mini-ATX boards only allow for ONE gpu slot, which leaves more open PCIe lanes, for extra ports ... And ... since the sandie do run cooler, and drink less, it makes them a perfect match for the mini form factor ... Add, to that, the advanced onboard graphics accelleration (of the sandies), and you have a very decent "home entertainment rig" ...

... So, add an external media storage array (RAID-10), to that, and you have the whole she-bang ... you can even ditch your PS3/X-Box.

Being able to put more graphics power, into a SINGLE GPU slot, (just lately), with mitigated power draw, allows for enough "studio I/O" flexibility to assure a reasonable modicum of (studio-multuplex) flexibility.

... I really do hate to say it ... but I kinda like the whole idea ... especially for college students, who move from place to place (in their car).

A fairly handy and weildy piece of kit, and it SURE aint no ATOM !

Not MY own personal cup-o-tea, tho. I prefer a WIDE-OPEN and long-lived, platform, with lots of flexibility and expandibility.

I do like the company (Zotac) ... they are kinda radical rogues and put out some unique products (like my fanless GT240s, supporting OGL3.2, etc.) ...

... BUT ... I think doing the RAID and the "puter" in one larger case will be "just better", in the LONG RUN ... Both because of less heat and better air-flow ... and because of the MANY more available lanes on 890 and X59 chipsets.

... It would also really like to see the "fully loaded" price, of the Zotac (relative to a mid-tower 890G build).

... There is much merit, on the face of it, if the price is right (the Zotac) ... Lots of selling points and "life-style appeal".

... ME? ... I work,live,play in a multimedia project studio ... I need to be able to multiplex with a much wider bus and more slots.

The Zotac makes great sense for anyone who moves around and has limited living space ... just handy and capable.

... just not that expandable ... but it has enough ports that, for most media-dens, it is way plenty.

... ANOTHER ADVANTAGE ... Put that noisy RAID array in a completely different room !!!.

NOTE: That would mean GIGABIT ETHERNET, as the interface ... NOT USB3 or eSATA.

... USB3 and eSATA have strict (and scant) limitations on cable length !!!


Wow I am glad I asked you about this. Sounds like you know the limitations of the motherboard chipsets. Which in my opinion means you are knowledgeable with what is going on with the future of computing and the bottlenecks that chipsets have on the current technology that is out there.

I do have a Gigabit network in where I live right now so that is not a problem.

I am sticking to the information that you are throwing my way.

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January 8, 2011 11:41:15 AM

So far we have the following:

ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
No concerns with the motherboard, I like that it has USB 3.0!
$140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=eCWbkolMf0DOW0IV

And ... Here is ALL THE PROC YOU WILL NEED (Does Everything you asked + plenty of head-room)
... On YOUR budget, you will be using the STOCK COOLER (3.2GHz, stock ! .. No OC req'd ! )

AMD Athlon II X3 450 Rana 3.2GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX450WFGMBOX
Major concern is that this is an Athlon, I heard something that a triple-core is really a quad-core with one of the processors turned off/gone bad? I understand that I can pay a little extra and go with a Phenom II or will Athlon II be sufficient? I took a second look at the processor and I understand why it was chosen the 95W power draw,but I also compared lower power draw processors with near to similar clock rates : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|19-103-886^19-103-886-TS%2C19-103-916^19-103-916-TS%2C19-103-871^19-103-871-TS%2C19-103-887^19-103-887-TS%2C19-103-912^19-103-912-TS
$80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This DRAM is DDR3 1333cas9 ... 4GB is WAY PLENTY (but not too much).

Mushkin Enhanced Essentials 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996586
I'm comfortable with the RAM
$40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
This CPU Heatsink is excellent been hearing good things about it.
$30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SeaSonic X650 Gold 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Love the reviews I have been reading about this, I was looking for something quiet, efficient, and provided a low power draw. Love where this power supply is going.
$134.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and the case.....

Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
I'm leaning towards this case right now only because it's smaller.
$55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
The price is right on this case I even found it for $50. It's 1-inch taller than the Antec though. So still deciding.
$60 *** ABS PLASTIC *** (but LOOK at ALL the photos !! )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ok so I add all the parts to the newegg cart and the grand total less the case:
$467.72

So before I go crazy and start buying stuff I'd like some feedback on the comments I made in blue near the parts. Also seeing as I have all this space what future upgrade choices do I have to make it a gaming PC? After that I will create the final build and then start making purchases.
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Here ... do this ... $20 more, for the extra core ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Phenom II just has larger caching ... newer MMU ...

The ATHLON II will give you four fast cores ... even good enough for consumer edit/transcoding ... PLENTY OF POWER !

CASES ... The Antec comes with all the fans you will need ... I like the HAF, for it's features, but you will need to spend $30 on fans ... BUT ... You could pick out quiter ones ...
... The ANTEC is prolly more quiet (HAF stands for HI AIR FLOW) ... The HAF is built like a screen porch ... actually, the ANTEC is too ... take yer pick ...

The antec has LED fans ... pretty sure they are blue ... you might not like that.

... I hate having to shop-for, and install fans but, if silence is your goal, you'd best go with the HAF and let me pick you out some quiet fans that don't cost too much.


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January 9, 2011 12:26:22 AM

Alvin Smith said:
Here ... do this ... $20 more, for the extra core ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Phenom II just has larger caching ... newer MMU ...

The ATHLON II will give you four fast cores ... even good enough for consumer edit/transcoding ... PLENTY OF POWER !

CASES ... The Antec comes with all the fans you will need ... I like the HAF, for it's features, but you will need to spend $30 on fans ... BUT ... You could pick out quiter ones ...
... The ANTEC is prolly more quiet (HAF stands for HI AIR FLOW) ... The HAF is built like a screen porch ... actually, the ANTEC is too ... take yer pick ...

The antec has LED fans ... pretty sure they are blue ... you might not like that.

... I hate having to shop-for, and install fans but, if silence is your goal, you'd best go with the HAF and let me pick you out some quiet fans that don't cost too much.


Yeah I was looking at the Blue LED fans on the Antec this computer will be a few feet from my bed so the lights may bother me let's go with the HAF.
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January 9, 2011 12:58:57 AM

The HAF fans whisper I speak from experience no need to replace them the High Air-Flow thing isn't a High Noise thing in disguise.

I have the 922 but the 912 will be just as good just you need to clean the dust out of your case once a month

With the blue antec fans I'm pretty sure you can disable the LEDs if you take them out of the fan, or cut the wire for the LEDs
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January 9, 2011 1:02:41 AM

joelmartinez said:
The HAF fans whisper I speak from experience no need to replace them the High Air-Flow thing isn't a High Noise thing in disguise.

I have the 922 but the 912 will be just as good just you need to clean the dust out of your case once a month

With the blue antec fans I'm pretty sure you can disable the LEDs if you take them out of the fan, or cut the wire for the LEDs


The dust thing sucks but not a deal breaker for me.
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January 9, 2011 1:03:52 AM

Well I guess if you were so inclined you could actually build your own dust filters or something
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January 9, 2011 1:14:30 AM

joelmartinez said:
Well I guess if you were so inclined you could actually build your own dust filters or something

I thought the HAF 912 comes with Dust filters already?
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January 9, 2011 1:24:08 AM

Yes but they are not very adequate, you will get a lot of dust in your case
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January 9, 2011 10:17:00 AM

The HAF has a lot more cool features and is much more modular ...

The Antec is very sturdy and better if you stack stuff on top of it. Not as cool looking, but in real use ... a better and more useful piece of furniture, because it is flat steel.

The HAF has will make for an easier build.

I have read of folks disabling the LEDs on the Antec.

There are videos, for the HAF ... Watch the demo/review video, for the HAF and also see if they have one for the Antec.

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January 9, 2011 1:16:31 PM

Alvin Smith said:
The HAF has a lot more cool features and is much more modular ...

The Antec is very sturdy and better if you stack stuff on top of it. Not as cool looking, but in real use ... a better and more useful piece of furniture, because it is flat steel.

The HAF has will make for an easier build.

I have read of folks disabling the LEDs on the Antec.

There are videos, for the HAF ... Watch the demo/review video, for the HAF and also see if they have one for the Antec.


I can pick the Antec up at Amazon for $59.82 free shipping!

or

I can pick the HAF up at CompUSA for $49.99 no free shipping ($11.98 for shipping)

Dust will probly be a problem no matter what case I go with. Stacking stuff on top of the case is going to be a must sadly... Hopefully the ASUS W3J will be the only device on top of the computer.

Going with the Antec from Amazon. Due to price, sturdiness and stack-ability.
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January 9, 2011 5:38:31 PM

Pick One

(1) BlueRay Read/Write? ('spen-SIVE!)

(2) BlueRay Read Only (Not zactly cheap)

(3) DVD Read/Write (They're GIVING them away).

(Some folks go with 2+3 ... Cheaper than 1 )

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January 9, 2011 6:33:40 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Pick One

(1) BlueRay Read/Write? ('spen-SIVE!)

(2) BlueRay Read Only (Not zactly cheap)

(3) DVD Read/Write (They're GIVING them away).

(Some folks go with 2+3 ... Cheaper than 1 )


Going to temp hold off purchasing a optical drive right now,
but I will need to purchase one so I'd like to #1 I think I saw one for 99$ on newegg.

My file server was making clicking noises this morning... ughhh another hard drive it sounds like is going bad.

Anyways I wanna start buying stuff tonight after I get home from work.
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January 10, 2011 12:33:44 AM

Ok went to Amazon and just placed my order for the :
Cooler Master RR-B10-212P-G1 Hyper 212 Plus 775/1156/1366/AMD/AM2/AM3 Universal Direct Contact Heat-Pipe 120mm Fan CPU Cooler
$29.95

Antec Three Hundred Gaming Case External 3 X 5.25; Internal 6 X 3.5 2*Usb2.0
$59.82

Total cost plus shipping and Tax:
$89.37

Went too NewEgg and Purchased:


ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131631
$139.99

SeaSonic X650 Gold 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817151088
$134.99

AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor ADX640WFGMBOX
Item #: N82E16819103871
$99.99

Mushkin Enhanced Essentials 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ...
Item #: N82E16820146748
$39.99

Total with Tax and Shipping:
$449.19


Grand Total from Amazon and NewEgg:
$538.56

I'm not done yet obviously, but this is a start. Will post pics here of all the products once I get them.
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January 10, 2011 1:11:05 AM

Still needed ...

(1) Boot SSD
(2) 1TB Spinpoint F3
(3) DVDR $16 new (need this to load th OS & sw .. can salvage from the DELL)
(4) OS Windows7 Home-64 OEM ($99)
(5) One extra SATA cable ($5)

Options : Gaming GPU
.... Card Reader

Will cost $165 more for a functioning config ...

Approx. $325 to finish it off "right" .
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January 10, 2011 7:22:18 AM

Alvin Smith said:
Still needed ...

(1) Boot SSD
(2) 1TB Spinpoint F3
(3) DVDR $16 new (need this to load th OS & sw .. can salvage from the DELL)
(4) OS Windows7 Home-64 OEM ($99)
(5) One extra SATA cable ($5)

Options : Gaming GPU
.... Card Reader

Will cost $165 more for a functioning config ...

Approx. $325 to finish it off "right" .


This is definitely true.

(1)I really want to get a Boot SSD for the OS.

(2) I don't understand why I need this other than swap for OS? I already have have 4 X 2TB Hard Drives for the RAID 0+1 or is it 1+0? Also how big of a difference will it make to have the swap on the SD as opposed on the Spinpoint if I do get the spinpoint? Or was there another reason to have this hard drive?

(3) I also have a burner installed on my file server so definitely salvageable.


(4) I have a friend who is going to pick me up a cheap version of Windows 7 he's a university student.

(5) I'm going to need SATA Cables for the 4 X 2TB Hard Drives as well, the ASUS motherboard does come with 2 X SATA cables.

I just noticed something about the motherboard and the 4X 2TB Hard Drives I bought (WD20EARS) they are only 3.0Gb/s. I checked newegg for 2TB 6.0Gb/s hard drives and there aren't that many and the ones that they had cost $179 which is way out of my budget. I'll stick to the 3.0Gb/s HD.
Just curious how big of a difference does 6.0Gb/s make between 3.0Gb/s? Is there any real bottlenecks holding speed back?

Options: Gaming GPU
This is for the future but I definitely would like choices.
Does it make sense to crossfire at all or just purchase a single GPU?

Card Reader
What did you have in mind for this?

For remote control I am currently using a Logitech DiNovo Mini and a Logitech DiNovo Edge I don't really need another bluetooth adapter as I have the ones that came with the devices. They are both currently hooked up via built-in bluetooth on my ASUS W3J.

One other major concern I have is the set-up of the RAID for the 4X 2TB drives. I have experience setting up RAID 0 on one machine 2 Western Digital Raptors 32GB on a older machine I built. I'm sure it's not that difficult but with 5 possible hard drives connected to the ASUS motherboard I'd like to set the RAID array after the OS install on the SSD. Is this possible and does it make things easier?
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