New Build for WoW rts fps Gaming rig

ok so just need final thoughts on my first build before i buy the parts if you guys have a suggestion to make i would love to hear it and why :)

Buying from Newegg because fast shipping (mostly free shipping) and cheapest prices i could find.


Case-Nzxt Phantom- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146068"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146068

Mother Board- asus 870 td evo- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131651&cm_re=asus_870-_-13-131-651-_-Product"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131651&cm_re=asus_870-_-13-131-651-_-Product

Power Supply-Corsair tx650- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005


HDD- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533

DVD drive- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335

CPU- phenom II x4 965 be- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

RAM- G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 CAS 7- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303

OS-Windows 7 Pro- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116758"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116758 This one is fine right?

CPU heatsink-Frio- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106150"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106150


Graphics card-MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127534&cm_re=460_hawk-_-14-127-534-_-Product"]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127534&cm_re=460_hawk-_-14-127-534-_-Product

Ok so this is all the parts for the build which is going to be used for gaming in games such as WoW, Sc2, Diablo 3, other rts, and almost any fps game.

majority of gaming will be WoW want to be able to play with pretty much no lag and have most ultra settings but not all.

Are the parts i have going to build a good gaming computer? do i need to switch anything out?

tips, pointers, or suggestions would be loved thank you guys!

EDIT: Fixed links
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  1. WoW is a CPU intensive game, just a suggestion intel are releasing new CPUs (sandy bridge) they are expected to come out tomorrow get an i5 2500k
  2. also try and beef up the gpu a bit get a hd 6950 for $299 and you can bios flash it into a hd 6970 http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159
  3. exhail said:
    also try and beef up the gpu a bit get a hd 6950 for $299 and you can bios flash it into a hd 6970 http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159


    From what i saw on toms cataclysm bench the stock 460 had great performance vs the amd cards and the 460 hawk talon attack force just seemed like more bang for the buck getting great stats without costing to much.
  4. and hd 6970 (what you get when you bios flash the hd 6950) is better than a gtx 460, gtx 470 and even the gtx 570 also cossfire at the moment scales better than SLI 2 hd 6970s in crossfire (you can get 2 hd 6950s and bios flash them) perform almost on par with gtx 580 SLI as crossfire scaling is better than SLIs
  5. the hd 6950 and hd 6970 were not released yet when that article was made
  6. Please list the names of the parts .... many good answers won't appear because peeps don't wanna clickety-click a dozen links for parts they are well familiar with.

    First decision though is the Vid Card .... this should help in making that choice.

    The GTX 1 GB 460 did 90, 82 fps and 60 on the Cataclysm tests here
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793-5.html

    The GTX 1 GB 6850 did 78, 71 fps and 59 on the Cataclysm tests here
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793-5.html

    But if you're gonna spend $230 on a 460, I'd get the 470 which can be had for that proce w/ Asus vltage tweak ability
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121372

    As for the rest, at that budget I'd be doing a Intel based system
  7. exhail said:
    and hd 6970 (what you get when you bios flash the hd 6950) is better than a gtx 460, gtx 470 and even the gtx 570 also cossfire at the moment scales better than SLI 2 hd 6970s in crossfire (you can get 2 hd 6950s and bios flash them) perform almost on par with gtx 580 SLI as crossfire scaling is better than SLIs


    The benchies say otherwise:
    Card 570 580 570 SLI 580 SLI 6950 6970 6950 X-fire 6970 X-fire

    Guru3D
    COD-MW 148 168 230 265 127 140 150 165
    Bad Company 2 56 67 103 108 50 56 96 108
    Dirt 2 80 96 138 149 72 77 131 140
    Far Cry 2 85 104 153 164 76 83 147 161
    Metro 2033 27 33 54 65 25 28 50 56
    Dawn of Discovery 74 86 109 112 78 85 90 98
    Crysis Warhead 54 62 86 90 51 57 87 97
    Total 524 616 873 953 479 526 751 825

    Cost $350 $510 $700 $1,020 $300 $380 $600 $760
    $ per frame $0.67 $0.83 $0.80 $1.07 $0.63 $0.72 $0.80 $0.92
    % faster NA 17.56% 41.72% 9.16% NA 9.81% 42.78% 9.83%
    % more $ NA 45.71% 37.25% 45.71% NA 26.67% 57.89% 26.67%


    The 570 scores a total of 524 frames to the 6970's 528. That's $0.67 per frame for the 570 versus $0.72 for the 6970. With a performance advantage of less than 1 % and a cost per frame 7% higher, I can't give a big win to the 6970 here. In SLI, the 570's give 873 to the 6970's 825 a 6% performance advantage at 7% less money. The following ifs a different suite of tests from Hardware Heaven

    Hardware Heaven
    570 6970
    Alien Vs Predator 45 56
    Bad Company 2 68 62
    COD -BO 105 96
    Crysis Warhead 44 40
    Civilization 5 101 100
    Formula 1 59 60
    Mafia 2 81 101
    Medal of Honor 124 109
    HAWX 2 145 67
    Left For Dead 2 54 53
    Total 826.0 744.0

    Here the 570 shows an 11% advantage at 7% less cost. Taking at HAWX which ATI has a problem with, it's still a slight advantage for the 570 ..... 681 to 677.

    All in all the two trade blows pretty evenly with the 570's edge really only being significant in price and SLI. But thats always been the case though the margin is narrowing

    http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-crossfirex-review/15

    Quote:
    So over the years Multi-GPU support has improved quite a bit, AMD still isn't up-to snuff at the level of NVIDIA though, multi-GPU supports still literally and directly remains the Achilles heel of ATI's Catalyst drivers.


    For me the the 6970 needs to be $20 less than the 570 not the other way around to be truly "even".....but overall, these appear to be the most closely matched cards between the two camps that I can remember.
  8. JackNaylorPE said:
    Please list the names of the parts .... many good answers won't appear because peeps don't wanna clickety-click a dozen links for parts they are well familiar with.

    First decision though is the Vid Card .... this should help in making that choice.

    The GTX 1 GB 460 did 90, 82 fps and 60 on the Cataclysm tests here
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793-5.html

    The GTX 1 GB 6850 did 78, 71 fps and 59 on the Cataclysm tests here
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793-5.html

    But if you're gonna spend $230 on a 460, I'd get the 470 which can be had for that proce w/ Asus vltage tweak ability
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121372

    As for the rest, at that budget I'd be doing a Intel based system


    Thank you for the info im just looking at the 460 and the 470 and im not to good with this stuff yet so can you tell me how much of a fps difference in wow i would see between the 2 cards maybe.

    460 hawk TA 1g 256bit

    Core Clock:
    810MHz

    Shader Clock:
    1620MHz

    Stream Processors:
    336 Processor Cores

    Effective Memory Clock:
    3900MHz

    ---VS

    470 Asus 1280 320bit

    Core Clock
    607MHz

    Shader Clock
    1215MHz

    Stream Processors
    448 Processor Cores

    Effective Memory Clock
    3348MHz
  9. Sainix,

    You might want to take a look at this WoW Cataclysm component guide. It has rundowns for what kind of framerates and in-game settings you can expect from various components. Pretty informative.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793.html

    J
  10. Shooter97 said:
    Sainix,

    You might want to take a look at this WoW Cataclysm component guide. It has rundowns for what kind of framerates and in-game settings you can expect from various components. Pretty informative.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793.html

    J


    Thats the guide i have been going by the whole time. I was just wondering how a 460 hawk talon attack force goes against a 470 because the 460 is oc to higher ratings then then 470 but the 470 is 1280g and 320 bit while the 460 oc is 1g an 256bit.
  11. *You can O/C with this rig and save some money to upgrade to the Intel rig instead of going with an inferior AMD build.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833.html <---- Intel Sandy Bridge 2500K (unlocked) - due for release on 1/9/11

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i5-2600k-i5-2500k-and-core-i3-2100-tested <--- Another great review on this cpu

    Sandy Bridge 2500k (unlocked) retail (est. price: $216)
    http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/cpu/intel/sandybridge/review/_DSC7051.jpg

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754 $99.99 FREE SHIPPING
    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 $59.99 FREE SHIPPING
    COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015 $69.99 $3.99 Shipping
    Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127551 $184.99 (Before $10.00 Mail-In Rebate ) FREE SHIPPING
    MSI N460GTX -M2D1GD5/OC GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277 $49.99 FREE SHIPPING
    G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533 $89.99 FREE SHIPPING
    Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118040 $19.99 FREE SHIPPING
    Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner LightScribe Support - OEM

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154003 $6.99 FREE SHIPPING
    Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound


    Total: $797.92 *not including shipping, rebates, and motherboard
  12. Why_Me said:
    *You can O/C with this rig and save some money to upgrade to the Intel rig instead of going with an inferior AMD build.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833.html <---- Intel Sandy Bridge 2500K (unlocked) - due for release on 1/9/11

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i5-2600k-i5-2500k-and-core-i3-2100-tested <--- Another great review on this cpu

    Sandy Bridge 2500k (unlocked) retail (est. price: $216)
    http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/cpu/intel/sandybridge/review/_DSC7051.jpg

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754 $99.99 FREE SHIPPING
    Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 $59.99 FREE SHIPPING
    COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015 $69.99 $3.99 Shipping
    Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127551 $184.99 (Before $10.00 Mail-In Rebate ) FREE SHIPPING
    MSI N460GTX -M2D1GD5/OC GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277 $49.99 FREE SHIPPING
    G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533 $89.99 FREE SHIPPING
    Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118040 $19.99 FREE SHIPPING
    Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner LightScribe Support - OEM

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154003 $6.99 FREE SHIPPING
    Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound


    Total: $797.92 *not including shipping, rebates, and motherboard


    Right now all i need to buy is a cpu, ram, OS, Heatsink, and gpu i have the hdd Phantom case dvdr and a mobo but its a amd mobo the 870.

    If i did go with a SB gaming rig id have to buy new mobo intel cpu get an idea on ram and i would probly go with the 470.

    what are good mobo for SB? and ram to match for gaming
  13. sainix said:
    Right now all i need to buy is a cpu, ram, OS, Heatsink, and gpu i have the hdd Phantom case dvdr and a mobo but its a amd mobo the 870.

    If i did go with a SB gaming rig id have to buy new mobo intel cpu get an idea on ram and i would probly go with the 470.

    what are good mobo for SB? and ram to match for gaming


    That RAM I posted in my build will do just fine. Go with that thermal compound I posted and stick with the stock Intel H/S until more reviews are done on H/S that are compatible with this cpu. The stock H/S did just fine with an O/C of 4.0+ ghz. As far as a mobo goes...price and performance. In another month or maybe even less you will see more compatable mobo's for this cpu and some should be decent ones for cheap. btw what is your monitor resolution ?

    http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13488&Itemid=99999999 <--- H/S

    Mobo reviews down below

    http://tbreak.com/tech/2011/01/intel-sandy-bridge-motherboards-roundup/

    http://techreport.com/articles.x/20190/13
  14. Why_Me said:
    That RAM I posted in my build will do just fine. Go with that thermal compound I posted and stick with the stock Intel H/S until more reviews are done on H/S that are compatible with this cpu. The stock H/S did just fine with an O/C of 4.0+ ghz. As far as a mobo goes...price and performance. In another month or maybe even less you will see more compatable mobo's for this cpu and some should be decent ones for cheap. btw what is your monitor resolution ?

    http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13488&Itemid=99999999 <--- H/S

    Mobo reviews down below

    http://tbreak.com/tech/2011/01/intel-sandy-bridge-motherboards-roundup/

    http://techreport.com/articles.x/20190/13


    Dont have a monitor yet still picking one out this is my first build for gaming

    Ill check out that ram, i was going with the amd cause i was hoping to have it built by next month and the price was cheap.

    for OS 7 Pro is the one to use on gaming rigs right because of the memory limits on the other ones
  15. sainix said:
    Dont have a monitor yet still picking one out this is my first build for gaming

    Ill check out that ram, i was going with the amd cause i was hoping to have it built by next month and the price was cheap.

    for OS 7 Pro is the one to use on gaming rigs right because of the memory limits on the other ones


    The "memory limits" is when you use a 32bit O/S....it's limited to reading 3 gigs.

    Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit OEM is the way to go IMO. Also you can find plenty of good monitors for well under $200 these days. :)
  16. Why_Me said:
    The "memory limits" is when you use a 32bit O/S....it's limited to reading 3 gigs.

    Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit OEM is the way to go IMO. Also you can find plenty of good monitors for well under $200 these days. :)


    Windows 7 Professional

    32bit 4 GB


    64bit 192 GB
    Windows 7 Home Premium

    32bit 4 GB


    64bit 16 GB

    So the 16gb is fine for gaming?

    yea i have been looking at monitors.
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