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Not enough FPS as expected from 6850.

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November 14, 2010 12:13:19 PM

Hey Guys
I have the following config :

G-Skill 2GB DDR3 X2 dual channel
AMD Phenom II x4 955
MSI 890 FXA-GD70
WDC 1TB Caviar Green
Corsair TX 750W
ATI HD 6850
Windows 7 Proffessional.

I m not getting more than 60 fps in any game with max settings. Any idea why so?? :??: 

I played COD WAW, MW, MW 2. But did not get more than 60 fps in any.. I am using FRAPS 3.2.3

Moreover I did not find any option to enable morphological AA in AI Catalyst enter 10.10... Am I missing anything..

More about : fps expected 6850

November 14, 2010 2:46:27 PM

In all of these games, V-sync is not there.. There is only one option : "Sync every frame " and I have already selected it as "NO". Hence this is not working.
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November 14, 2010 3:54:08 PM

Thanks for the morphological AA. It did work but no gain in fps... :( .

what should I do. Please help me out.

With this config, I am still not able to run the games properly. Race Driver GRID is running at 40 FPS with normal view and 30 FPS with driver seat view..

This is not what I though when buying this card..

Please help me out...
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November 14, 2010 3:59:07 PM

Try running 3dmark Vantage. It'll give us a better idea of what kind of performance you are getting.

Also, you might post a pic of GPU-Z.
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November 14, 2010 4:52:32 PM
November 14, 2010 4:54:55 PM

I am downloading 3D mark Vantage. I would post the results in a few hours.
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Anonymous
November 14, 2010 6:40:05 PM

If you maximize all the settings to catalyst the cpu doesn’t work to match 2% i have to max only minimap, aa and the cpu works at 25% this way all the others i live it to the game settings but i also had to OC my CPU to 3.30Ghz in order to get the same results as Tom's Hardware Charts in my HD5770 running in stock speed, 1.0 pci-e slot.

PS: Close the vertical sync completely.
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November 15, 2010 2:03:08 AM

I am ensuring that I am closing the VSync completely.
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November 15, 2010 2:03:12 AM

I am ensuring that I am closing the VSync completely. Its not there in catalyst. Hence whenever I am playing any game, I am closing it in game settings.

Following is the result of 3dMarkVantage :

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=141471662572220&....

Following is the link for CPUZ CPUID result as well :

CPUZ CPUID Caches :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=141363862583000&...!/photo.php?fbid=141473395905380&set=a.141363855916334.47633.100001281604740&pid=255048&id=100001281604740

CPUZ CPUID CPU :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=141363862583000&...!/photo.php?fbid=141473409238712&set=a.141363855916334.47633.100001281604740&pid=255049&id=100001281604740

CPUZ CPUID Graphics :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=141363862583000&...!/photo.php?fbid=141473422572044&set=a.141363855916334.47633.100001281604740&pid=255050&id=100001281604740

CPUZ CPUID Mainboard :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=141363862583000&...!/photo.php?fbid=141473432572043&set=a.141363855916334.47633.100001281604740&pid=255051&id=100001281604740

CPUZ CPUID Memory :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=141363862583000&...!/photo.php?fbid=141473452572041&set=a.141363855916334.47633.100001281604740&pid=255052&id=100001281604740

CPUZ CPUID SPD 1 :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=141363862583000&...!/photo.php?fbid=141473465905373&set=a.141363855916334.47633.100001281604740&pid=255053&id=100001281604740

CPUZ CPUID SPD2 :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=141363862583000&...!/photo.php?fbid=141473479238705&set=a.141363855916334.47633.100001281604740&pid=255054&id=100001281604740


Please tell me the inferences from these screenshots/results.
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November 15, 2010 2:27:45 AM

I'm sorry, but can you post the links to the pics on something other than facebook? Or at least tell us the results?
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November 15, 2010 2:29:28 AM

vermakhil said:
I am ensuring that I am closing the VSync completely. Its not there in catalyst. Hence whenever I am playing any game, I am closing it in game settings.



When you say it's not there in catalyst, did you mean you didn't see the setting or did you mean it's turned off in the CCC?
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November 15, 2010 3:14:49 AM

Are you using overdrive ? with this card the entire point is to move the sliders to the right (careful with the memory) Core clock goes all the way to the right.

What did you upgrade from ?
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November 15, 2010 7:02:33 AM

I am intreseted in this topic as i too want to get a 6850 and play the same games you do.From what i see from the 6850 it should be able to run those games maxed out no problem.If you have a photobucket account it has a system that can turn your photos into html code where it will display a picture here so you don't have to use the links it should be on the left of the screen when you view a picture in photobucket, just copy and past into the box like a link.
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November 15, 2010 7:21:57 AM

turn off vsync in the driver
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November 15, 2010 3:58:09 PM

3dMarkVantage :

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November 15, 2010 4:00:58 PM

Catalyst Control Center : Standard Tab :




AA Tab :



AA Mode Tab :



AF Tab :



All Tab 1 :



All Tab 2 :



All Tab 3 :

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November 15, 2010 4:01:45 PM

That 3dmark vantage score seems low.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-rade...

Looking at the score they recieved, yours is definately behind. Granted, yours should be a little behind, as you don't have as fast of a test system as theirs, it still looks a bit too low.

Can you post the screenshot of the GPU-Z?
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November 15, 2010 4:03:23 PM

Tech GPU :



Tech GPU Sensors :

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November 15, 2010 4:04:08 PM

Also, I would try turning off the Morph AA when doing the tests. It's a new AA method that happens at a different time than most AA is happening. It's quite possible it's even overriding 3dmark vantage or even works along with another AA.
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November 15, 2010 4:04:46 PM

bystander said:
That 3dmark vantage score seems low.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-rade...

Looking at the score they recieved, yours is definately behind. Granted, yours should be a little behind, as you don't have as fast of a test system as theirs, it still looks a bit too low.

Can you post the screenshot of the GPU-Z?



I know man.. thats why I am worried.. what can be the reason.. How to get results nearby the benchmarks in review.
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November 15, 2010 4:08:03 PM

Following are the screenshots of CPUZ CPU ID :

CPU Tab :



Caches Tab:



Mainboard Tab:



Memory Tab :



SPD Tab_1:



SPD Tab_2 :



Graphics Tab :

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November 15, 2010 4:08:48 PM

It is possible your score is about right after looking closer. Their test system was with an i7 @ 3.7ghz (pretty high OC). It's a faster archetecture as is. Your GPU score was only 2k off from theirs, and the GPU score is effected by the CPU.
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November 15, 2010 4:09:21 PM

Now I would uncheck Morphological AA and then calculate 3dMarkVantage Result
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November 15, 2010 4:12:23 PM

Your forcing all sorts of IQ enhancements there. Your forcing AA and Morph AA during vantage. You want to right click in the ati ccc icon in the taskbar
go to 6850
3d settings
standard settings
check
optimal performance

This will set you up so you apply all IQ enhancements iN GAME.

Don't go in and slide everything to quality , like you must have, those are not the default settings.


when your done, this slider should be all the way to performance.
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November 15, 2010 4:29:27 PM

Following is the 3dMarkVantage with Morphological AA as unchecked. Rest all the tabs were untouched. Also this and previous screenshot were taken on "Performance Preset"

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November 15, 2010 4:35:03 PM

Only 2GB of total ram, Slow Green Edition hard drive. One question what were you thinking when you built this machine?
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November 15, 2010 4:40:27 PM

That is a good gpu score, I think your gpu should perform good in games.
Here is my score with a max o/c ati 4770 , i5 750@4ghz, that combo could game fine, as you see your gpu score is 40% higher, but your cpu is lacking.


What resolutiion do you game at ?
The higher the better.
Vantage Performance runs at 1280x I believe, see the fps next to the cpu tests,
my 4770 was higher. Because of the low resolution effect.
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November 15, 2010 4:45:53 PM

notty22 said:
Your forcing all sorts of IQ enhancements there. Your forcing AA and Morph AA during vantage. You want to right click in the ati ccc icon in the taskbar
go to 6850
3d settings
standard settings
check
optimal performance

This will set you up so you apply all IQ enhancements iN GAME.

Don't go in and slide everything to quality , like you must have, those are not the default settings.


when your done, this slider should be all the way to performance.
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h350/vermakhil/My%20Computer/CatalaystControlCenter3DStandard.png



I am not sure what you want me to do..

As per the steps provided by you :

go to 6850
3d settings
standard settings
check............................. if I check this box, I cannot make any change to the box downside. Do you want me to uncheck this box and move the slider to the leftmost on this screen to optimal performance????
optimal performance
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November 15, 2010 4:47:59 PM

You have allready the Anti Aliazing to super AA, so am i , you don't need the edge detect In AA put and this to the game settings you put our card to do double work this way, most game they don't use this feature anyway.

The AF also to the games the most games have x8 max anyway....

Try again and tell me.
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November 15, 2010 4:48:31 PM

nforce4max said:
Only 2GB of total ram, Slow Green Edition hard drive. One question what were you thinking when you built this machine?



RAM is G-Skill 2GB *2 = 4GB.

For HDD, this is just temporary. My Seagate HDD Barracuda 7200.11 500 GB has gone for replacement. Waiting for the same.
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November 15, 2010 4:50:34 PM

notty22 said:
That is a good gpu score, I think your gpu should perform good in games.
Here is my score with a max o/c ati 4770 , i5 750@4ghz, that combo could game fine, as you see your gpu score is 40% higher, but your cpu is lacking.
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr185/notty222/vantagenotty.png

What resolutiion do you game at ?
The higher the better.
Vantage Performance runs at 1280x I believe, see the fps next to the cpu tests,
my 4770 was higher. Because of the low resolution effect.



I thought on higher settings CPU doesnt play much role.. I am playing at 1680X1050 resolution with everything maxed out. Am I wrong.. :( 

I carefully selected AMD Phenom II X4 955 . It is a good, cheaper quad core processor. Did I make a mistake?
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November 15, 2010 4:53:32 PM

Do what i wrote and tell me forget,everything else your system is strong you don't need nothing else.
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November 15, 2010 4:56:27 PM

vermakhil said:
I thought on higher settings CPU doesnt play much role.. I am playing at 1680X1050 resolution with everything maxed out. Am I wrong.. :( 

I carefully selected AMD Phenom II X4 955 . It is a good, cheaper quad core processor. Did I make a mistake?



No, your system may stutter if it runs out of ram, but that cpu is fine.
Its just never going to score like a o/c 750. But your fps in game at 1680x should be about what they would be with any quad.
Make sure when you game, you have no browser open , and least amount of programs with only 2gb.
never mind you have 4gb
D/l the AvP dx11 benchmark, it auto starts with certain settings, report your score back.

How is your gaming now, that you reset CCC ?
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November 15, 2010 5:13:59 PM

vermakhil said:
I thought on higher settings CPU doesnt play much role.. I am playing at 1680X1050 resolution with everything maxed out. Am I wrong.. :( 

I carefully selected AMD Phenom II X4 955 . It is a good, cheaper quad core processor. Did I make a mistake?


That all depends on the game. Starcraft 2, for example, will hammer the CPU, so would FSX, and many others, but many other games will hammer the graphics card more.
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November 15, 2010 5:13:59 PM

Following are the changes that I made in CCC :
Standard Tab : Checked the " Use Custom Settings"
AA Tab : Checked " Use Application Settings"
AAA mode : No change. Bar selected to SuperSampling
Anisotropic Filtering : Checked " Use Application Settings"

Following is the result of 3dMarkVantage :

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November 15, 2010 5:17:16 PM

vermakhil said:
Following are the changes that I made in CCC :
Standard Tab : Checked the " Use Custom Settings"
AA Tab : Checked " Use Application Settings"
AAA mode : No change. Bar selected to SuperSampling
Anisotropic Filtering : Checked " Use Application Settings"

Following is the result of 3dMarkVantage :

http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h350/vermakhil/My%20Computer/3dMarkVantagewithApplicationSettingsonlyandMorphologicalAAoff.png


3dMarkVantage will work find like this, but if you play a game with AA turned on, you are going to have sever performance loss due to SuperSampling.

SuperSampling is for best quality, but it is a resource hog. Any game you have FPS issues with, you will want to have this set to MultiSampling instead.

SuperSampling runs into buffers issues due to the way it works. You should set Multisampling as default, and make custom profiles in games that can handle SuperSampling (Nvidia cards don't even have super sampling options accept for transparents, and that's not the same thing).
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November 15, 2010 5:25:32 PM

Just to put a bright light on your issue.

Out of all the things you've changed, Supersampling AA mode is by far the biggest effect on performance of anything you've adjusted.

Supersampling is not meant for normal use. (I have used it for Dragon Age Origins, and it was a big improvement, but you can't go beyond AA x4 with it, and that will cause issues for a lot of other games too).
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November 15, 2010 5:31:58 PM

bystander said:
3dMarkVantage will work find like this, but if you play a game with AA turned on, you are going to have sever performance loss due to SuperSampling.

SuperSampling is for best quality, but it is a resource hog. Any game you have FPS issues with, you will want to have this set to MultiSampling instead.

SuperSampling runs into buffers issues due to the way it works. You should set Multisampling as default, and make custom profiles in games that can handle SuperSampling (Nvidia cards don't even have super sampling options accept for transparents, and that's not the same thing).



You mean Multisampling or Adaptive Multisampling..??

Also if the benchmarks give FPS for COD MF2 are given as http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=27053&page=1...
then why am I not nearby these?? This hurts after spending so much money.

I understand that major difference lies in processor. But there is difference in RAM as well. Most of the benchmarks are taken up with 6GB tripple channel whereas I have 4GB dual channel. How much would have this hurt the system.
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November 15, 2010 5:43:55 PM

Try benchmarking with Adapative or standard Multisampling set. Do NOT use Supersampling.

Supersampling will absolutely rape your performance in most instances.

Now how does it compare?

Edit to set your mind at ease:
None of the benchmarks you will ever see, will have supersampling set. Partly due to it being an ATI only option, and partly because it crushes the performance of most games, although not as bad if you have 2GB of video ram.
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November 15, 2010 6:10:31 PM

Best answer selected by vermakhil.
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November 15, 2010 6:14:32 PM

Following are the changes that I made in CCC :
Standard Tab : Checked the " Use Custom Settings"
AA Tab : UnChecked " Use Application Settings" . Unchecked "Morphological Filtering "
Level 8X. Filter : Standard.
AAA mode : Adaptive Multisampling.
Anisotropic Filtering : 16X
Texture Filtering Quality : "Quality"
Tripple Buffering: Unchecked.


3dMark Score : P11792

GPU Score : 12051
CPU Score : 11077

Scores may by these but games are running fine. And yes selecting supersampling, games are unplayable beyond 4X.
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November 15, 2010 6:16:23 PM

I would keep an eye on some more games. Also this RAM G-Skill says 1600MHz but does not run at even 1333MHz. It runs only at 667MHz. Is this an issue or what?? How much effect would it have on performance of games and other activities that we do on computer.
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November 15, 2010 7:42:09 PM

If it says 667mhz it's probably a dual channel memory which means you time that number by 2.You should be at 1333,and it might be able to O.C. to 1600mhz.So is everything working the way it should now?Everything working as you saw it?I am also intrested in a 6850 so if theirs any problems do tell.
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November 16, 2010 5:27:10 AM

Does anybody have any idea how to make different profiles for different games in catalyst??
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November 16, 2010 6:09:21 AM

"It "If it says 667mhz it's probably a dual channel memory which means you time that number by 2" - not true, dual channel means it reads from 2 banks of memory at the same time. Your thinking of DDR which is double data rate. The clock that the ram runs at is 667 mhz but as it is DDR it can read 2 x in 1 cycle effectively doubling the clock speed. Overclocking to 1600mhz is not necessary and you will not gain much.
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November 16, 2010 3:35:51 PM

Thats strange. I remember DDR2 RAM says 800MHz and runs at 800MHz, then why not DDR3 saying 1333MHz runs at the same speed. Or if this one says 1600MHz and my motherboard this speed only when overclocked, then probably it should get autoclocked to 1333 MHz, which is the maximum this motherboard can support without overclocking.
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November 16, 2010 3:40:19 PM

For 6850 what if I uninstall Catalyst completely and run my games as per the particular settings of that games. Wont it lead to best results as per that game??

Please advise....

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