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ATI 6850 or GTX 460 for wow?

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November 15, 2010 7:14:49 AM

I'm buying a new pc for wow and I have the choice of the 6850 or the GTX 460 basically which card is best for wow the CPU is a phenom ii 965 quad core

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November 15, 2010 7:43:04 AM

I'm pretty sure both cards are already overkill for WoW.

But in any case, which version of the GTX 460? There's 768MB and 1GB Memory versions.

Basically GTX 460 768MB < 6850 < GTX 460 1GB.

And what's the difference in price between the 2 options?
November 15, 2010 7:50:01 AM

1gig Ati is 10 euro more
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November 15, 2010 7:54:51 AM

Not sure I understood your last reply, but if you meant that: The GTX 460 is 1GB, and that the ATI 6850 is 10 euros more...then go with the GTX 460 1GB.
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November 15, 2010 4:22:56 PM

In my experience, Nvidia cards perform better in WOW, particularly with things such as particle density and shadows.

In the following examples, all my video settings were exactly the same... I had a 5870 and that was fantastic but in some instances where there was a "blue fog" on the ground like the one in Hellfire peninsula or keep (forget which one) where the boss mob jumps down from his drake after you shoot him with the harpoon, it got really slow near the blue fog area... When i used my GTX 285, that issue was not present. Also, the GTX 285 allowed me to enable full shadows where the 5870 got a little choppy with full shadows.
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November 15, 2010 4:29:40 PM

I got a GTX460 and play WoW my self. For a single instance run it is overkill even at high ress but it can take quite a beating when you begin to log multiple accounts at once but it holds up well enough to be playable. The 68x0 will behave in the same way depending how drivers mess with that.
November 15, 2010 4:35:04 PM

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In my experience, Nvidia cards perform better in WOW, particularly with things such as particle density and shadows.

Shadows are run on the CPU in WoW
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November 15, 2010 4:39:09 PM

If that is true, my question remains, I had the same Q6600 running @ 3.6GHz, moving shadows all the way up with the 5870 brought my FPS down and it got choppy, the GTX 285 on the other hand did not have this issue.
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November 15, 2010 5:21:03 PM

jonpaul37 said:
If that is true, my question remains, I had the same Q6600 running @ 3.6GHz, moving shadows all the way up with the 5870 brought my FPS down and it got choppy, the GTX 285 on the other hand did not have this issue.


Often times people have settings in the Catalyst or Nvidia control panels that override in game settings. You likely had some settings turned down in the Nvidia control panel with your 285.

Even then, WoW does show a preference to Nvidia by the benchmarks I've seen.
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November 15, 2010 7:09:11 PM

I have been playing WOW long enough and using both Nvidia/ATI cards long enough to know i did not skip a beat on settings. They were Exactly the same when i tested this. I never let either CCC or Nvidia control panel override any settings if it is within my power... I Always use the in-game settings first.

Another thing to mention is that my brother in-law had a GTS 250 with his i5 750 system, he could not crank shadows all the way, he got a pair of GTX 460's for SLI and now cranks shadows ALL the way up without skipping a beat, same CPU, different Video card soultion... coincidence?

If you folks want to try and explain to me that WOW uses ONLY CPU for shadow resources, you'll have to prove it to me because i have two separate situations to prove otherwise...
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November 15, 2010 7:12:25 PM

both cards can handle WoW just fine, Nvidia tends to have an advantage in Blizzard games

November 18, 2010 1:01:55 PM

Reasons to get such a good card only for WoW? even the 460 GTX 768mb version is overkill for WoW. a HD 5770 would run Ultra easily.
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November 18, 2010 1:51:56 PM

mokomaki said:
Reasons to get such a good card only for WoW? even the 460 GTX 768mb version is overkill for WoW. a HD 5770 would run Ultra easily.


I beg to differ. I had a Q6600 running 3.6 with a 5870 which was also overclocked and i couldn't blast full settings/shadows/etc and maintain a minimum of 60 FPS, some parts (Dalaran, 25-man raids in LK zones and even populated old-world cities) my FPS would go as low as the 20's...

My i5 750 and GTX 460 SLI however handles everything at full max settings.

all of the above examples are with a 1920 X 1080 resolution.

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November 18, 2010 1:54:19 PM

well if he wants to play in ultra at a high res like 1920x1080 or 1920 x 1200 and wanting to be good for cata and ready for the next expantion as well?
November 21, 2010 8:13:22 PM

I play wow at 1920x1200 everything maxed with a i5 650@ 3.2, 4 gigs of ram and a evga 460 1024mhz and its smooth as silk even in dalaran, never seen it dip below 60fps.
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November 21, 2010 8:36:40 PM

mokomaki said:
Reasons to get such a good card only for WoW? even the 460 GTX 768mb version is overkill for WoW. a HD 5770 would run Ultra easily.


no it won't, shadows on max will take its on toll on the card easily.
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November 21, 2010 10:06:27 PM

Ok this is silly. I have a friend who has an I7 920 OC'ed to 3.5Ghz and a ATI 5850. He said with his 5850 and settings set on max he gets 60+ FPS. I saw in dal he was getting 50+. And this is on ultra :) .

I'm planning on a 5850 with the rig im building and when i build it and test it and i still remember ill post my findings :) .

Wow is not a graphically challenging game. If you have problems its your RAM (The difference between 2 and 3GB is huge and 3 and 4 would give you some increase.), or CPU, or your PSU isn't getting enough power to your cards.

With a Pentium D and a 9600GT OC'ed i can ALMOST max the settings in the new stuff, and the old stuff i can max with 40+FPS.
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November 21, 2010 10:14:39 PM

gidgiddonihah said:

I'm planning on a 5850 with the rig im building and when i build it and test it and i still remember ill post my findings :) .

Wow is not a graphically challenging game. If you have problems its your RAM (The difference between 2 and 3GB is huge and 3 and 4 is almost as big.), or CPU, or your PSU isn't getting enough power to your cards.



while 2 to 3GB would show a difference, 4GB would show very little improvement. one thing WoW is not is RAM hog.
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November 21, 2010 10:24:27 PM

I stand corrected on the 4GB. I worded it wrong :lol: . Sorry for any confusion.

Though in large raids it does start to eat up on RAM, at least in my experience.
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November 21, 2010 11:52:00 PM

gidgiddonihah said:
I personally am lost on how the 5970 is outdone by the 5830 and a 5850. Even the 5770 is breathing down the 5970's neck. If anyone can explain this?


the 5970 is two 5870's GPUs in one single card. WoW would see this as a crossfire set up and it seems it has issues with CF (based on the benchmark). It could be the driver at the time, or a patch, but seems to be fixed in a later review (see below) WoW had issues with SLI for a long time also so it would not surprise me if they still have CF issues.

here is another benchmark from the GTX580 review. the ATI 5970 has a much better showing but still is on par with the Nvidia GTX 480



a b U Graphics card
November 22, 2010 2:33:39 AM

Thanks! Makes sense, i heard that WoW has had issues for SLI/Crossfire and it makes sense that it sees the 5970 as a crossfire setup.
November 22, 2010 2:42:42 AM

460 1G better
November 23, 2010 9:22:45 AM

I have an Asus hd 4870 1gb and I played WoW on ultra in the old worlds. Then I had to lower the settings to high once I hit the Badlands.

Last night when I hit 70, my friend took me around Northrend to Dalaran on his rocket and I was experiencing lost frames ( stuttering). It was okay once I turned it down to Good settings and it was still okay when I changed the visual distance to high.

So I'm thinking I might want to upgrade to something better once Cat comes out if I want to enjoy the eye candies of the new world.

System:
Athlon II X3 440 Rana 3.0GHz
4GB DDR3 OCZ RAM
ASUS 4870 1GB DDR5
MSI 740GM-P25 AM3
Windows 7 64
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