Last Day: Photoshop auction NO RESERVE NICE!

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If anywhere this should be posted in rec.photo.marketplace.


On 1/27/05 2:27 PM, in article 20050127142759.13893.00000194@mb-m19.aol.com,
"Rare Old Things" <rareoldthings@aol.com> wrote:

> Retail version of Photoshop. Bidding starts at only $1.00
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d [...] m=71294780
> 53&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>
> Recently upgraded myself, so I'm eBaying my last version of Photoshop. This is
> the full retail version with both Original CD's and manual , boxing etc.
> Photoshop 5.0 for Windows. Not the latest version but great if your running a
> previous version of Windows, or would like to use it as a base to upgrade
> yourself.
>
> Follow the link to see full description and photos.
>
> Thanks
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d [...] m=71294780
> 53&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

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Rare Old Things wrote:
>
> Retail version of Photoshop. Bidding starts at only $1.00
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com...
>
> Recently upgraded myself, so I'm eBaying my last version of Photoshop.

therefor, you can not,
because the serial number is already upgraded.

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"Chris Myers" <cmyers@virginia.edu> wrote in message
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> If anywhere this should be posted in rec.photo.marketplace.
>
>

If Adobe has anything to say about it, it shouldn't be posted anywhere since
it's an upgraded version.

Mark

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:36:35 -0800
In message <zdadnTwgZr1CzWTcRVn-qw@comcast.com>
John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> This has no business here.
>
> Please trim the URLs etc. when replying.

This has everything to do with this forum.
Violations of ethics and law should be discussed.

Jeff

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Too late - as usual. It already sold.

Dave

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"Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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>> Recently upgraded myself, so I'm eBaying my last version of Photoshop. This is
>> the full retail version with both Original CD's and manual , boxing etc.
>> Photoshop 5.0 for Windows. Not the latest version but great if your running a
>> previous version of Windows, or would like to use it as a base to upgrade
>> yourself.
>
> So you're selling a version of Photoshop that is...
>
> gulp...
>
> THREE generations OLD?????
>
> Crikey!!
>
> Don't be fooled by this spammer.

Good GRAVY!!
Some fool bought it for $172.
What a shame...or is that...SHAM?

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anyone4tennis@hotmail.com wrote:

>
> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> news:8oBKd.11382$rw.6059@fed1read04...
>>> Recently upgraded myself, so I'm eBaying my last version of Photoshop. This
>>> is
>>> the full retail version with both Original CD's and manual , boxing etc.
>>> Photoshop 5.0 for Windows. Not the latest version but great if your running
>>> a
>>> previous version of Windows, or would like to use it as a base to upgrade
>>> yourself.
>>
>> So you're selling a version of Photoshop that is...
>>
>> gulp...
>>
>> THREE generations OLD?????
>>
>> Crikey!!
>>
>> Don't be fooled by this spammer.
>
> Good GRAVY!!
> Some fool bought it for $172.
> What a shame...or is that...SHAM?
>
>
I got Photoshop 5 free with my film scanner. You may get around £5 for it,
if you're lucky.

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This is a free country. A person can (try to) sell anything they want
to.
Getting someone to buy it is another story!

John

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Good. I think I want to sell your car.

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<grumpy_44134@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This is a free country. A person can (try to) sell anything they want
> to.
> Getting someone to buy it is another story!
>
> John
>

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How so? Looked legal enough to me. Are you saying you can't sell old
software?

Dave

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Okay, then how is he being dishonest?

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"Dave" <webkatz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> How so? Looked legal enough to me. Are you saying you can't sell old
> software?
>
If the two versions are independent, probably it could be done. For example:
owning Photoshop 5.0 and then buying the full/retail version of Photoshop
CS, it should be okay to sell the Photoshop 5.0 (but then again, I am not a
lawyer). If not, then at least a no-cost transfer should be legal as long as
Photoshop 5.0 was uninstalled before the transfer/sale actually occurred.

On the other hand, using an older product to qualify for a discount/upgrade
version of the software (aka "the qualifying product" ) and then reselling
the qualifying product after upgrading doesn't usually comply with the
software license agreement--for example, owning Photoshop 5.0 and buying the
upgrade version of Photoshop CS at a lower cost than the full/retail
version.

Generally speaking, most software license agreements bind the qualifying
product to the upgraded product when an "upgrade" version is purchased at a
lower cost then the full/retail product. This also means both must be
sold/transferred as a single entity, otherwise, none may be
sold/transferred.

It all depends on the license agreement, which is why it is a good idea to
read them during software installation.

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Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
> "Dave" <webkatz@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1107125655.451485.273480@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > How so? Looked legal enough to me. Are you saying you can't sell
old
> > software?
> >
> If the two versions are independent, probably it could be done. For
example:
> owning Photoshop 5.0 and then buying the full/retail version of
Photoshop
> CS, it should be okay to sell the Photoshop 5.0

That's certainly what it looks like the OP did, and without actually
checking with him, that's what one would assume - rather than stoning
the poor guy.

>
> Generally speaking, most software license agreements bind the
qualifying
> product to the upgraded product when an "upgrade" version is
purchased at a
> lower cost then the full/retail product.

Yep, that's how Adobe handles it, including a nice little transfer form
you can send in when you sell your old software off.

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On 30 Jan 2005 18:38:53 -0800
In message <1107139133.043308.198180@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Posted from http://groups.google.com
"Dave" <webkatz@gmail.com> wrote:

> The ad never said it was used to get an upgrade,
> only that its a full retail version of Photoshop 5.0.
> Nothing wrong with selling old software.

The original post that started the thread:

On 27 Jan 2005 19:27:59 GMT
In message <20050127142759.13893.00000194@mb-m19.aol.com>
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rareoldthings@aol.com (Rare Old Things) wrote:

> Retail version of Photoshop. Bidding starts at only $1.00
> ...
> Recently upgraded myself,
> so I'm eBaying my last version of Photoshop.
> ...

Is that clear enough?

Jeff

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But not that he's used this version of the software to do so.
Never assume.

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Confused wrote:
> On 29 Jan 2005 13:12:16 -0800

>
> Crooks are crooks.

You don't know that unless you actually asked if this version was used
to make the upgrade. If you didn't, then you're just name calling.

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My, that's some twisted logic. I'm sure it will get you far in life.

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"Dave" <webkatz@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> My, that's some twisted logic. I'm sure it will get you far in life.

You are either extremely naive...or just being intentionally adversarial at this point.

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No, I'm pointing out that Bart needs to tighten up the straps on his
tin foil beanie a little. The kind of logic that says you can't trust
anyone because they're all a bunch of crooks is paranoid and
delusional. This guys got 673 sales in the past year with 100% positive
feedback. So even if you don't believe him, do you think 673 other
folks would take time out of their day to lie to you too?

If you are interested in buying a product you need to determine what
risk/reward ratio you're comfortable with.

If you don't trust this guy and want a copy of Photoshop CS, then go
buy one directly from Adobe for whatever ridiculous amount they're
charging. Nice and safe.

If you want a copy of PS 5 and think $170-something is a good price
then go for it. Pretty safe.

If you think that this might be a cheap stepping-stone to CS, then be a
responsible consumer and ask the right questions before bidding. Still
pretty safe, but you have to do some work.

And if you're too scared to buy what you want for the price you can
afford, then go away and quit bitching about what over folks are
willing to buy.

Dave

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Yes every transaction is a gamble and you have to assess what your
comfortable risk/reward ratio is. With all the fraud protection that
eBay and PayPal offer and a 100% rating for 673 sales - 11 bidders
were more than happy to wager that the sun will come up tomorrow.

If you're not comfortable, don't bid. But that's no reason to trash
someone's character.

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No, you were trying to throw up a goofy straw man argument by saying
that my assumptions were not smart one. I took it away from you. The
sun will come up tomorrow.

I believe in the general "goodness" of folks, and that (plus the eBay
and PayPal protection and a 100% rating) combine to make me believe
that this guy wouldn't be selling this software unless is was
upgradeable.

My point is that, since no one seems to have bothered to ask the
seller, you don't really know whether it is or not, but it's pretty
silly to slam someone without the full information.

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Dave wrote:
>
> No, you were trying to throw up a goofy straw man argument by saying
> that my assumptions were not smart one. I took it away from you. The
> sun will come up tomorrow.

not a straw argument, but a far more likely possibility.
you took nothing away. you just made a poor assumption.

> I believe in the general "goodness" of folks, and that (plus the eBay
> and PayPal protection and a 100% rating) combine to make me believe
> that this guy wouldn't be selling this software unless is was
> upgradeable.

right. sunsets and flowers are nice.

he never said that it was upgradable.
what he said was
"Recently upgraded myself,
so I'm eBaying my last version of Photoshop"

if so, it is not upgradable.

to rephrase it, the vendor is selling software,
but you assume that the upgrade he mentioned
was to a second set of software, because people are good.

your argument I would expect to come from the seller,
not from a logical person.

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Sorry if this posts twice - technical difficulties.


Crownfield wrote:

>you just made a poor assumption.
>
No, you made an unfounded one.

> right. sunsets and flowers are nice.
>
Yes they are.

> he never said that it was upgradable.
>
Yes he did, " You are bidding on a FULL RETAIL version Adobe Photoshop
5.0 designed for Windows. This is the complete FULL version complete
with serial codes, tutorial disc, 390 page User manual and original
boxing. This item is preowned but in excellent condition. The outer
boxing has some slight shelfwear, discs and manual are A+. It is my
understanding you can use this version as a base for upgrading to later
versions of Photoshop at a big savings, however this is just an awesome
program all by itself if your running an older version of Windows.
Allthough not in the picture, the USER Manual is included in this
auction. It is in EXCELLENT clean condition. I am unsure if it has ever
been registered, but the serial code stickers are intact and there is
also a customer ID sticker as well. U.S. buyer pays $8.00 s/h,
International bidders may be more. Good luck and do enjoy your
bidding!"

> your argument I would expect to come from the seller,
> not from a logical person.
>
Not concerned with meeting your expectation, only my own. But go nuts.

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"Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote:

> "Dave" <webkatz@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1107183151.332346.132310@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > My, that's some twisted logic. I'm sure it will get you far in life.
>
> You are either extremely naive...
>
> or just being intentionally adversarial at this point.

Bingo!

Jeff

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Let's see, dense=doesn't agree with you. How nice.

>From the ad, "You are bidding on a FULL RETAIL version Adobe Photoshop
5.0 designed for Windows. This is the complete FULL version complete
with serial codes, tutorial disc, 390 page User manual and original
boxing. This item is preowned but in excellent condition. The outer
boxing has some slight shelfwear, discs and manual are A+. It is my
understanding you can use this version as a base for upgrading to later

versions of Photoshop at a big savings, however this is just an awesome

program all by itself if your running an older version of Windows."

It is an upgradable version (unless you KNOW otherwise), the sale has
been made, and this discussion is pretty much over. Like it said, If
you're REALLY that concerned, keep an eye on his reseller rating and
see how it goes.