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November 16, 2010 3:20:01 AM

GTS 450
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November 16, 2010 8:17:17 AM

Of those two the 450 would be my pick its cheaper, by quite a bit and is as good if not better than a 5770 performance wise.

Mactronix :) 
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November 16, 2010 8:44:24 AM

Here is what HardOCP had to say about that card. (A shame they only compared it to the stock GTS450.)

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Overclocking the Galaxy GeForce GTS 450 Super OC is quite easy, and gave us generally positive results. It improved the experience of one game and improved the feel of others, while in others it made no appreciable difference whatsoever...The Galaxy GTS 450 Super OC can currently be had for $119 after $20 MIR. For $5 more, you can get a Radeon HD 5750 that will outperform the GTS 450 though, and 5770 cards aren't far behind that.


http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/10/04/galaxy_geforc...

I don't remember the 5750 beating the GTS450, but the 5770 is faster. If you can swing it, get the 5770. Even OC'd the GTS450 won't be able to catch the 5770. And keep in mind that the tiger link doesn't list shipping, which will probably be more then the $4 that newegg is charging. When all is said and done the price of those two cards is probably around a $25 difference. Its up to you to decide if $25 is worth the faster card.
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November 16, 2010 8:51:37 AM

Well, if he can get HD5770 then why not go with HD6850?
The newer series gives you higher minimum framerate and better power consumption...
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November 16, 2010 8:55:48 AM

Mainly because he didn't link one. If the 6850 or any other better card is in the $150 price range then get it.
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November 16, 2010 10:36:17 AM

A 5770 is faster than a stock 450 granted but its not any faster than an overclocked version like the one linked.
Tweaktown had this to say.
"While NVIDIA say the model compares to the HD 5750, it really doesn't. It ultimately leaves the HD 5750 for dead, especially this overclocked variant from Galaxy. You can see here as well the extra boost in performance we got from the updated driver; it moved the card from trailing behind the HD 5770 to coming out in front"

The point about a differant card is very valid though. You can get a 460 for the price of the linked 5770 which is why teh 5770 is really a pointless card in my opinion its just priced too high.

Mactronix :) 
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November 16, 2010 11:12:08 AM

Tweaktown link please? Its not that I don't believe you, but I've only seen the launch GTS450 reviews. They weren't very good.
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November 16, 2010 3:26:54 PM

4745454b said:
Tweaktown link please? Its not that I don't believe you, but I've only seen the launch GTS450 reviews. They weren't very good.



Opps sorry obviously i did mean to include it earlier.

"While NVIDIA say the model compares to the HD 5750, it really doesn't. It ultimately leaves the HD 5750 for dead, especially this overclocked variant from Galaxy. You can see here as well the extra boost in performance we got from the updated driver; it moved the card from trailing behind the HD 5770 to coming out in front"

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3511/galaxy_geforce_gt...

Mactronix :) 
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November 16, 2010 7:31:06 PM

soi get the GTS?
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November 16, 2010 9:25:40 PM

Lost Planet, Street fighter IV, Batman:AA, and Farcry 2 (which actually loses the lead once your at 2560x1600) are the games the GTS450 wins at. 4 out of 10 games. The 5770 wins the other six, and at all resolutions. I didn't bother looking at synthetic junk seeing as we can't play vantage, etc. As I said when I linked the HOCP review that I don't remember the GTS450 being slower then the 5750, and I am pleased to see newer drivers helping it be faster.

I play games. And even looking at the link you supplied, 6 out of 10 of those games run faster on the 5770. If you can't swing the $25 (or you live in one of the states where sales tax will come into play) the GTS450 isn't a bad choice. Its not like your settling for the GTS250 (DX10). But I'm still not ready to call the GTS450 the better card.
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November 16, 2010 10:21:54 PM

idk which to get
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November 16, 2010 11:07:16 PM

Its a question only you can answer. Would you rather have the slightly faster card, or the $25?
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November 16, 2010 11:37:06 PM

faster
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November 16, 2010 11:59:59 PM

I don't like this as it is like comparing two lemons but only of two different brands. I wouldn't recommend a GTS450 and rarely a 5770 as both often fall short of expectations when it comes to both quality and drivers. You might be ok with a GTS450 if you can get it cheap and both overclock and properly maintain the card. Just dumping it in and not bother to clean it or do any thing for 3 years then don't buy any thing as they all got needs.

GTS450 is it is the cheapest option with decent margins given the brand when it comes to overclocking.

5770 only due to preference or board.
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November 17, 2010 12:28:01 AM

If speed is your only concern then the 5770 is the faster of the two. As N4max says however, depending on your resolution it might not be enough. Crysis on a 1680x1050 screen and the 5770 won't allow you to max the settings. Same with metro and other games. It will do a better job overall then the GTS450, but if your expecting to max the latest games its not going to happen.

As a side note I have the 5750 and a 1680x1050 screen. I'm able to max TF2 which is the one game I play. (maxed settings, not AA. I'm at either 2x or 4x AA) Games will look fine with the 5770.
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November 17, 2010 12:40:24 AM

last thing.. Im running 1920x1200 what are the benchmarks with this res?
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November 17, 2010 12:49:56 AM

basically the same, usually they just do 1080, because more people have that... MAYBE 1 fps difference...
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November 17, 2010 12:50:46 AM

Grab your self something better and stop kidding if you want to enjoy playing at that ress with good settings.
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November 17, 2010 3:11:09 AM

A 6850 is better, but your still looking at GTX460 speed. The big demanding games are still going to run slow.

If you don't play any of them then perhaps it doesn't matter. I have no need for a 5770 or better because the 5750 plays the one game I play just fine. (I fire up D2 every now and then, but that runs fine on anything from this era. D3 will be a different story and might require me to upgrade.) If you play older games or are willing to turn some settings down, then these cards are fine. But if you need to max every setting for every game, you really need the 5870, GTX480, or some CF/SLI combo of midrange cards. (GTX460s or 6850s.)
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November 17, 2010 3:16:29 AM

Hey, I max out with a 5770.... on everythin, bad co 2, Just cause 2... dirt 2(not sure what the newest dirt game is...? w/e that it....)

I get at least 40FPS in bad co to @ 1080P in DX11.... JC2 is 60(Vsync enabled) @ 1080P DX10... DX only D,= 60 in Dirt toooo
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November 17, 2010 3:30:56 AM

Try it with Metro and tell me you did that. Not a surprise on some of those, as they are easier games.
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November 17, 2010 3:44:05 AM

decided to go with a 5850 and probably oc it
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November 17, 2010 4:30:10 AM

Don't have it...
Edit: meant that for 474545.....
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November 17, 2010 4:47:16 PM

A 5850 is a good choice as it will take longer before new games to come out that would force you to drop the res or settings. I would have bought one my self if it weren't for the prices a few months ago.
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November 17, 2010 4:54:59 PM

lol same.... Nforce is right, do that....
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November 17, 2010 8:09:35 PM

4745454b said:
Lost Planet, Street fighter IV, Batman:AA, and Farcry 2 (which actually loses the lead once your at 2560x1600) are the games the GTS450 wins at. 4 out of 10 games. The 5770 wins the other six, and at all resolutions. I didn't bother looking at synthetic junk seeing as we can't play vantage, etc. As I said when I linked the HOCP review that I don't remember the GTS450 being slower then the 5750, and I am pleased to see newer drivers helping it be faster.

I play games. And even looking at the link you supplied, 6 out of 10 of those games run faster on the 5770. If you can't swing the $25 (or you live in one of the states where sales tax will come into play) the GTS450 isn't a bad choice. Its not like your settling for the GTS250 (DX10). But I'm still not ready to call the GTS450 the better card.


Your call, facts are facts if you dont want to beleive them then its your call. Seems you were desperate to call the 5770 the winner or you wouldnt have trawled the whole review and would have settled on the conclusion the reviewer gave. There are plenty more profesionals who agree as well. Anyway Op has picked a decent card more than was wanted but hey thats also his choice.

Mactronix :) 
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November 17, 2010 11:58:30 PM

Care to enlighten me on what I missed then? I picked the card that won more gaming benchmarks. I don't care about the 3dmark benchmark, or the unigine benchie either. I can't PLAY either of those games. The GTS450 won 4, (and even then not all of them.) while the 5770 won 6. 6 is still more then 4?
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November 18, 2010 8:02:18 PM

4745454b said:
Care to enlighten me on what I missed then? I picked the card that won more gaming benchmarks. I don't care about the 3dmark benchmark, or the unigine benchie either. I can't PLAY either of those games. The GTS450 won 4, (and even then not all of them.) while the 5770 won 6. 6 is still more then 4?


Where do you want me to start ?

Your making conclusions and recommendations based on, by your own admission, a very limited knowledge of the actual hardware as far as the 450 goes certainly.
You linked a piece that doesn't have any comparisons and is obviously either miss quoted or contains a typo at source, which you obviously didn't spot even though you commented on it and used that as a basis for saying the 5770 is faster.

I actually know the piece is wrong and posted my own Quote and link (eventually) which was part of a full review that concluded the 450 is the better card. This is what a professional review site said about the exact card linked not something i reasoned together after only reading the launch reviews and picking over a single other review i was linked to.

Bottom line is a stock 450 isnt a match for a 5770 but the overclocked versions are equal to and in some cases better than a 5770. Also i think enough of a price difference to make loosing a frame here and there well worth it, but that bits just my opinion.

Mactronix :) 
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November 19, 2010 12:14:22 AM

Dude, 5770 = GTZ 460.....



Edit: agreed with 4745, this thread is pointless, he bought a better card
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November 19, 2010 12:14:25 AM

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Your making conclusions and recommendations based on, by your own admission, a very limited knowledge of the actual hardware as far as the 450 goes


No, I know the card. I don't know what driver improvements have done. At launch the GTS450 sat between the 5750 and the 5770. Driver improvements and OCing can certainly help it catch the 5770.

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You linked a piece that doesn't have any comparisons and is obviously either miss quoted or contains a typo at source, which you obviously didn't spot even though you commented on it and used that as a basis for saying the 5770 is faster.


Your right, I didn't catch. Enlighten me please because I have no clue what you're talking about.

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I actually know the piece is wrong and posted my own Quote and link (eventually) which was part of a full review that concluded the 450 is the better card.


And how did your link come to that conclusion? By including Unigine and other synthetic benchies. I can't play 3Dmark. I can't play Unigine. By including those scores in the final numbers you inflate one sides score. Looking purely at GAMING benchmarks, the GTS450 could only win 4 out of the ten benchies. That's what OCing and driver improvements got you. Instead of losing all of them they won 4. The stock 5770 still managed to win the other 6. I still believe that 6 is a bigger number then 4, so I still claim the 5770 is the faster card.

Seeing as the GTS450 is cheaper however its up to each of us if we'd rather have the (slightly?) faster card, or the $25. That is something that each of us would have to ask. Seeing as he has already bought his 5850, this whole thread crap is pointless.
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November 19, 2010 12:15:49 AM

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Dude, 5770 = GTZ 460.....


Assuming you meant GTX460, not even close. The GTX460 is much the better card.
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November 19, 2010 12:35:17 AM

my bad, mispelled, no I meant GTS
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November 19, 2010 6:56:15 AM

Atotalnoob said:
Dude, 5770 = GTZ 460.....



Edit: agreed with 4745, this thread is pointless, he bought a better card


I couldn't agree more, I already said as much
" Anyway Op has picked a decent card more than was wanted but hey thats also his choice. "

As i said you can't just say a 5770 is faster than a 450 thats just wrong especially the one linked to.
I'm not trying to say a 450 is faster full stop but 4745454b is claiming the 5770 is.

The view that the 5770 is full stop faster is blatantly incorrect and i wanted to balance that.
4745454b is acting like a dog with an old bone and for some reason needs to continue to point out which card won what games in a single review.

Epic fail this thread was over ages ago, please direct any other comments to PM.


Mactronix :) 
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November 19, 2010 8:23:31 AM

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