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January 15, 2011 6:06:21 PM

Hello everyone,

I've read a lot about building mid-to-high powered machines but I'm not a guru by any means, so we might as well establish this immediately. I'm looking to purchase a brand new rig to take advantage of a 100% computer capital cost allowance which expires at the end of this month.

I could care less about gaming; I need speed in Adobe CS5 (After Effects / Premiere / Photoshop / Illustrator are where I spend most of my time) and also 3D software such as 3dsMax and Cinema 4D. I was looking into a i7 950 setup before the recent release of SB and now I'm thinking that's definitely the way to go. I will be OC'ing for sure.

Here are the parts I'm looking at from NCIX.com (they're Canadian and I plan on price-matching everything) and would appreciate any feedback, either positive or negative, you guys have to offer:

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CASE - CM Haf X @ $190 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=53776
PSU - Corsair TX750W 12V 60A @ $90 on sale + MIR http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26415&vpn=CM...
MOBO - ASUS P8P67 Pro @ $190 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=58016
CPU - i5 2500K @ $240 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57962
GPU - MSI GTX 570 732MHZ 1280MB $350 after MIR http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57383
RAM - 2x GSkill Ripjaws X F3 2x4GB 1600 @ $160ea http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=58100
SSD - 2x OCZ Vertex 2 Extended 120GB @ $190 (bundle deal) and $220 after MIR http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=53309
HDD - 2x WD Black 2TB 64MB cache Dual Proc @ $180ea http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=42775&vpn=WD...
HSF - ??? Was looking at the Noctua NH-D14 but am concerned it may not fit with the heat spreaders on the ram... $90 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=47090 I am definitely open to suggestions here.


Things I'm questioning and would love opinions on:
Is this PSU satisfactory or should I shoot for something 80+ / GOLD / 850W+ like this http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57624&vpn=ST...

Will the on-board RAID hardware be acceptable for mirroring my SSDs (for OS / software) and HDDs (for storage)?

As for the GPU, I could get pretty much the same card from PNY, Zotac, EVGA or ASUS for anywhere from $10 - $20 more. For $50 more, I could get EVGA's superclocked version: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57362&vpn=01... Does this seem worth it or this something I can do on my own without spending an extra $45?

Some might say 16GB is overkill, others will tell me that video rendering and multi-tasking with huge CS files will make use of every last GB my system has. I've read a lot and still don't have a concrete answer. For the price of these kits, I decided to get16GB. Thoughts on this are welcome.

Should I consider PCIe SSD's in place of the above SSD's? Do you think the price increase is justified considering my usage intentions? http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54813&vpn=OC...

Thank you all in advance for any help you could give me.

Cheers,

Mike

Edit: I should have mentioned something about budget... my bad. This parts list totals approx. $2300 before price match / taxes and I'd like to stay around that $2500 mark or $3000 at the most. Also, monitors aren't listed because I'll be using a couple of older CRTs to avoid color shifting, banding, etc. that's present on most cheap LCDs ($1000+ for a decent IPS monitor isn't plausible on my current budget).

Edit #2: I've purchased the system from NCIX! I changed a number of the components and added a few as well. Here is what I ended up purchasing (prices are in CAD after price matching):

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1 Coolermaster Haf X EATX Tower Case Black 6X5.25 5X3.5INT No PS Front USB3.0 ($167)
1 Silverstone Strider 850 Gold 850W Modular Power Supply ATX 24PIN 135mm Fan 70A 80+ Gold Black ($163)
1 ASUS P8P67 Deluxe ATX LGA1155 P67 3PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 2PCI Sandy Bridge Motherboard ($220)
1 Intel Core i7 2600K Quad Core Unlocked Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Sandy Bridge 8MB ($320)
2 G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL7D-8GBXH 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL7-8-7-24 1.5V Memory Kit ($150ea)
1 OCZ RevoDrive 120GB PCIe x4 Sandforce SF-1200 SSD Solid State Disk Flash Drive ($297)
2 Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB SATA2 7200RPM 3.6MS 64MB 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM ($160ea)
1 LG BH10LS30 Bluray Writer 10X BD-R 16X DVD-RW Lightscribe SATA Retail Box ($100)
1 Noctua NF-P14FLX 140MM Ultra Quiet Cooling Fan 750-1200RPM 71-110M3/H 10.1-19.6DBA Molex ($22)
1 Zalman CNPS9900MAX-R Nickel Plated Copper Headsink Red LED 135mm LGA1156 LGA1366 LGA775 AM3 AM2 ($73.00)
1 BenQ EW2420 24IN Widescreen LCD Monitor VA LED 1920X1080 8MS DVI 2XHDMI 2X1.5W Spk ($250)
1 D-LINK DWA-552 Xtreme N Desktop Adapter 802.11B/G/N Triple Antenna PCI Adapter ($45)
1 Wacom INTUOS4 Medium 8X5 Graphics Tablet ($312)
January 15, 2011 7:23:54 PM

Looks like a nice solid build imo. Your going to want to run with a 2600K for the fact has hyper threading and the 2500K does not. If you plan on running dual 570's and o/c, then the Corsair 850w is the way to go. Not sure if that h/s will clear or not...but this cpu runs cool so you could always go with the smaller yet still effective Coolermaster Hyper 212. And don't forge to add some decent thermal compound to that build like Artic Cooling or something comparable.
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January 15, 2011 8:24:35 PM

Looks like a very, good build so far
I would def get the 2600k processor
get the Evga 570 OC cards better support and THE card to get in 570 series you can use MSI Afterburner if you want as well
check out the optional case fans for the haf-x you may want them you can always add them later
definitely go with at least the 850W Corasir PSU

but since you mention OC & 2 vid cards you'll def have a bit more headroom with 1000W Gold

on the cpu cooler Zalman has a new cooler CNPS9900MAX-B that will clear memory heat sinks about 80 .00 works great

get the ASUS P8P67 Deluxe instead for 50.00 more
Deluxe has AsusHyperDuo : ASUS P8P67 Pro Does NOT:
"ASUS HyperDuo - Creates a hybrid storage drive by combining HDD and SSD"

Sound like just what you are looking for with RAID the better borads usually OC better anyhow
& 2 more Sata front ports I recall. Deluxe also includes a front panel USB 3.0 I/O. "This panel can be used in an open drive bay in your case and is connected to the USB 3.0 header on the motherboard."

Get some quality thermal paste ,the application is just as important as brand

Optical Drive ?
Window 7 64bit Home Premium or Pro ?

hope this helps & Cheers
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January 15, 2011 8:45:49 PM

Why_Me said:
Looks like a nice solid build imo. Your going to want to run with a 2600K for the fact has hyper threading and the 2500K does not. If you plan on running dual 570's and o/c, then the Corsair 850w is the way to go. Not sure if that h/s will clear or not...but this cpu runs cool so you could always go with the smaller yet still effective Coolermaster Hyper 212. And don't forge to add some decent thermal compound to that build like Artic Cooling or something comparable.
Thank you for your input. I've been debating the 2500K vs the 2600K a little bit and the general consensus seems to be the the extra 100mhz + hyperthreading isn't worth it at this point as a lot of software doesn't even make use of it. That said, like I mentioned I'm not an expert on this stuff so I'd love to hear others' opinions. Currently, my way of thinking is that if I put the $100 elsewhere now, I can always upgrade the cpu to something better a couple years down the road when there is a greater need for this technology.

For the GPU, I will only be running 1 card overclocked, not 2.

The 212 was another consideration of mine for a cooler. Does anyone have any experience mounting the 212 along with this GSkill memory? Also, should I consider other cooling accessories (fans) to mount elsewhere in the case or is the Haf X likely to provide enough airflow and cooling with its stock fans (considering this set up probably won't generate a ton of heat, even with a moderate overclock)?

Thanks again.
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January 15, 2011 9:14:40 PM

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The 212 was another consideration of mine for a cooler. Does anyone have any experience mounting the 212 along with this GSkill memory? Also, should I consider other cooling accessories (fans) to mount elsewhere in the case or is the Haf X likely to provide enough airflow and cooling with its stock fans (considering this set up probably won't generate a ton of heat, even with a moderate overclock)?

Thanks again.[/quotemsg said:


the haf-x case has options for 120mm fan for the vid card which you can add later
since you are running 1 GPU OC you can just use an 850W PSU

the Asus P8P67 Deluxe mainboard has more room to accommodate bigger coolers and of course maybe better suited with your RAID setup as previously posted.re:AsusHyperDuo if that is what you want
.if not stay with the Asus Pro

forget about OC with stock cooling the clearance on CM 212 cooler is 37mm Height you'll have to check your ram
don.t know about your return policy but I would spend the extra dollars to get a slightly better build

I have the haf-x and you may want to get a better perming 140mm rear exhaust fan which you can do later

just a thought or 2
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January 15, 2011 11:45:51 PM

rrplay said:
the haf-x case has options for 120mm fan for the vid card which you can add later
since you are running 1 GPU OC you can just use an 850W PSU

the Asus P8P67 Deluxe mainboard has more room to accommodate bigger coolers and of course maybe better suited with your RAID setup as previously posted.re:AsusHyperDuo if that is what you want
.if not stay with the Asus Pro

forget about OC with stock cooling the clearance on CM 212 cooler is 37mm Height you'll have to check your ram
don.t know about your return policy but I would spend the extra dollars to get a slightly better build

I have the haf-x and you may want to get a better perming 140mm rear exhaust fan which you can do later

just a thought or 2
Ok so the thermal paste is a for sure, as is a Blu Ray R combo drive and Windows 7 Pro... I forgot to include those in my original list. I plan on having NCIX build and test my system for me so I'll have to trust that they'll apply the paste correctly when installing the CPU.

As for the cooler you mentioned, this is the only item I found on NCIX that closely matched that model no.: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57906&vpn=CNPS9900MAX...

Is this one comparable to the one you mentioned?

Regarding the memory's dimensions, I have no idea where to find that information. I went to GSkill's site (http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=357) and there is no dimensions listed :( 

You mention spending the extra dollars to get a slightly better build... are you specifically referring to the build quality of the cooler or ram (since you were talking about coolers and ram at the time) or are you referring to the system as a whole? Either way, I'm open to any and all suggestions at this point if there is good reason behind a suggestion.

Concerning the Haf X's rear exhaust fan, is there a particular reason you suggest upgrading (be it now or in the future)? If it's not powerful enough or durable enough, then I may order a replacement for it right off the bat so I don't have to worry about paying for shipping on one when I decide to order it at a later time. Is there a specific model you recommend? http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57868&vpn=R4... or perhaps http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=27129&vpn=NF... ?

Lastly, the motherboard... If it's a better overclocker, then I guess that's significant (I'm guessing this means that I can push things a little further than the Pro version and still maintain a good and stable system). I'm not 100% sure if the HyperDUO techology is something I would use, since even though it's claimed to be very efficient, there is (at least) a 20% loss in speed, am I right? My idea was to use the SSDs exclusively while working on a project and, once it's completed, transfer it to the storage disks. The only issue I see with this approach is if I have to make revisions to a large video project, for example, I would have to transfer all source files back over to my SSDs before opening the project file. The alternative to this would be to just open it from the HDD and make changes from there but that may potentially be slower than transferring the project folder from HDD to SSD. Since I've never used a computer that had a SSD for its OS drive, I'm not sure what kind of speed increases I can expect over traditional HDDs; I'm strictly going by what I've read on SSDs.

Cheers,

Mike
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January 16, 2011 1:32:57 AM

thanks for gettin back
the Zalman CNPS9900MAX-R is the same just red LED which will match the Haf-x case red fan

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Regarding the memory's dimensions, I have no idea where to find that information. I went to GSkill's site (http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=357) and there is no dimensions listed :( 


yeah noticed that for quite some time this get asked a alot re: G. Skill Ripjaws height oh well
so you def got a better cooler that will clear mem slots should be no problem

When I refereed to getting a better build it re: getting the better Zalman cooler over the CM 212

I thought that you would be building it yourself and YOU would be installing all the parts, you might enjoy it ,save $$ and really know your system inside out besides what you'll gain is invaluable
it's not that hard > lot's of good how toos here at Tom's and we are planning a good solid build here in this thread. but I guess that's up to you.
the best possible build is yours !
if you do have them build it specify that you want the Windows 7 Pro retail Disc !!
you can always reinstall that cooler but you really want the Win 7 install Disc

that rear fan is 140mm so >> http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45800&vpn=NF... either now or later moves more air. no big deal save shipping

On to the mobo questions if you do not think that you need the AsusHyperDuo and you do not need the extra front panel usb you already have it on the case
get the ASUS P8P67 Pro

Note: You can only run SLI on the P8P67 Deluxe Board :hello: 

get those Western Digiital HDs and just 1 SSD you will be surprised as to how much faster they are & OCZ will have the Revo out pretty soon in Q1 see >> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265381-32-vertex-revo Z Drives R3 and they run just under 1GB/sec WOW
heck the Vertex is double the speed 550MB/sec than what are looking at now.not sure how much$$ they will be

the reason I mention getting 1 SSD is because you can use it one of the swappable bays in the front of your case and get the faster SSDs later in Q1 ..

another good reason to build and install yourself :) 

lots of info here on this site

you can check this guide to build here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274745-31-step-step-g...
and troubleshoot video / boot problem as needed here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-ste...

just a few more thoughts & let us know
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January 16, 2011 6:55:15 PM

Just wanted to say I really appreciate all the info / help you've given me thus far -- you, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman!

I have added both the CNPS9900MAX-R and the Noctua NF-P14FLX to my cart as per your suggestions. I read a few reviews on the Zalman and it seems that its smaller size should make installation easier / possible without worrying about the height of the Ripjaws.

The reason I won't be building it myself is for a myriad of reasons. To me, $50 is completely worth the peace of mind knowing that my machine was built by professionals and that, theoretically, the chances of receiving a computer that won't boot because one of the parts is defective or incompatible or something will be lessened. And I don't mean this to sound arrogant in any way but I could make more money working in the time that it would take me to build this beast (even conservatively estimated at 1.5 hours). The experience does not interest me in the same way that it probably interests you, and I say that with all due respect -- true enthusiasts are a special breed! :) 

For the mobo, the deluxe is actually only $30 more than the price I had written down for the Pro so I can live with paying $220 for a more feature-rich board and trust your opinion that the price increase is worth it. Who knows, I may also give the HyperDUO a whirl and see what that's all about.

My original intention for the drive setup was a RAID 1 to mirror the OS drives in case something ever failed. I hate to break everything down to money but if my OS drive dies and I spend 4-5 hours making a new boot drive and re-installing my software then I've already more than paid for the backup drive. Can I expect to lose a significant amount of efficiency (speed) by RAIDing my SSDs or not really?

For Windows, I have a corporate version that I'll be installing myself once the computer ships so no worries there. I think I read somewhere that NCIX will install an OS to test the system and then wipe it afterwards, is this true?


rrplay said:
yeah noticed that for quite some time this get asked a alot re: G. Skill Ripjaws height oh well
so you def got a better cooler that will clear mem slots should be no problem

When I refereed to getting a better build it re: getting the better Zalman cooler over the CM 212

I thought that you would be building it yourself and YOU would be installing all the parts, you might enjoy it ,save $$ and really know your system inside out besides what you'll gain is invaluable
it's not that hard > lot's of good how toos here at Tom's and we are planning a good solid build here in this thread. but I guess that's up to you.
the best possible build is yours !
if you do have them build it specify that you want the Windows 7 Pro retail Disc !!
you can always reinstall that cooler but you really want the Win 7 install Disc

that rear fan is 140mm so >> http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45800&vpn=NF... either now or later moves more air. no big deal save shipping

On to the mobo questions if you do not think that you need the AsusHyperDuo and you do not need the extra front panel usb you already have it on the case
get the ASUS P8P67 Pro

get those Western Digiital HDs and just 1 SSD you will be surprised as to how much faster they are & OCZ will have the Revo out pretty soon in Q1 see >> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265381-32-vertex-revo Z Drives R3 and they run just under 1GB/sec WOW
heck the Vertex is double the speed 550MB/sec than what are looking at now.not sure how much$$ they will be

the reason I mention getting 1 SSD is because you can use it one of the swappable bays in the front of your case and get the faster SSDs later in Q1 ..

another good reason to build and install yourself :) 

lots of info here on this site

you can check this guide to build here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274745-31-step-step-g...
and troubleshoot video / boot problem as needed here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-ste...

just a few more thoughts & let us know

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January 16, 2011 8:38:33 PM

Thank you for the kind remarks

good idea the go with that Zalman cooler & have NCIX send you the original rear fan if you like hey you paid for it!
appreciate you mentioning your time spent and having it built . $50.00 what a deal ..

Deluxe mobo better overall choice

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For the mobo, the deluxe is actually only $30 more than the price I had written down for the Pro so I can live with paying $220 for a more feature-rich board and trust your opinion that the price increase is worth it. Who knows, I may also give the HyperDUO a whirl and see what that's all about.


most folks go with RAID 0 stripe for sheet speed and backup to physical HD partition .you are asking about raid1
you will lose TRIM support in RAID
but if you want to mirror for reasons you mentioned :
RAID 1 write speed decreases [since it's writing to 2 drives], & read speed increases - slightly
the SSD's are fast enough not to be noticed lots of options there a well for backup and work/backup directories

Asus HperDuo? you are going to have to check that out.as to what works best for you.

I do not know what NCIX policies are for testing a system build and removing it afterwords & did not verify..pretty sure they will let you after you place an order !

Try not to be discouraged if your SSD and HD's- [back up scheme, partitions etc ] are not 1000% configured perfectly for you the first time ...you likely planing it know right ?

you'll soon discover what works the best for you.

Looks like you are really going like that rig and should serve you well.
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