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Upgrading from SLI 8800GTS 512mb

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November 17, 2010 2:45:23 PM

Hi,

I am a long time reader, first time poster :)  and I am in need of advice if possible.

I have run two G92 8800's for some time but they are showing their age with newer game titles.

With Christmas coming up I can persuade my wife to buy me "geek bits" as she puts it. The choice open to me is quite bewildering with many options at the mid-range price point.

Essentially, I am asking what would be the best upgrade path to last me the next 12-24 months. The choices as I see them with my budget (approx. £200-£250) are:

a) 2 x GTX 460 768mb
b) 2 x HD 4890
c) Single HD 6850

The card(s) will have to be able to drive two 24" monitors @ 1920x1200 and cope with games such as CoD: Black Ops, dual boxed Eve Online clients and Fallout New Vegas.

The rest of my pc is:

i5 750 @3.4Ghz
700w Coolermaster PSU
Asus P7P55D Pro Mainboard
1TB Samsung spinpoint HDD

I thank the community in advance for any useful info that comes my way
November 17, 2010 8:44:37 PM

Don't bother going with the HD 4890, as that technology is old and can only support up to DX 10.

The GTX 460 SLI is a good option, but if you can persuade your wife to increase your budget slightly I'd say go with the 1Gb versions.

Don't bother with the HD 6850, go for the 6870 and in 6 months or so drop another card in there for a CrossfireX solution.

Will be quite a nice rig!

Graeme
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a c 105 U Graphics card
November 17, 2010 9:41:06 PM

An over clocked ( gigabyte ) GTX470. Has more than a gig of ram and some games already need that.... Something doesn't grab me about the newly released ATI cards for some reason.... but I have a 5850.... SLI-ing the 2 768 cards wouldn't be that great. It's more than reading numbers in benchmarks that make cards show their actual usefulness.
a b U Graphics card
November 17, 2010 10:33:00 PM

At 1920x1200 I'd want a 1GB card in general. Especially if you're going dual monitor for gaming purposes.

Generally, 2 x GTX 460 1GB cards will hands down defeat a GTX 480 performance wise. So that is an excellent option if you go that route. They would also easily best the ATI 6850 if it's running as a single card.

You could however, get a pair of 6850's for Crossfire since your board handles it:

$189 ATI 6850 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 18, 2010 9:46:57 AM

yesitsmario said:
Go for an asus 6850 directcu. You can easily overclock it to 6870 performance. You can drop another 6850 in later if you want and get almost double the fps in games since they scale really well.

Asus DirectCU review
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/Radeon_HD_6850_...

6850 crossfire review
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6850_C...


Overclocking isn't everyone's thing though! I hate the fact that I have to flash my graphics card's BIOS to get the clocks I WANT as default clocks. It's so annoying that flashing a gf card's BIOS is more tricky than flashing a motherboard's BIOS. I know you can use RIVATuner or MSI Afterburner to overclock and apply the overclock at startup, but buying a factory overclocked card is always easier.
November 18, 2010 11:23:53 AM

At this budget u can get a hd 6870 which is much better than all your named options, & later u can drop other one when its cheaper to get astronishing performance.
a b U Graphics card
November 18, 2010 11:46:44 AM

graemevermeulen said:
Don't bother going with the HD 4890, as that technology is old and can only support up to DX 10.

The GTX 460 SLI is a good option, but if you can persuade your wife to increase your budget slightly I'd say go with the 1Gb versions.

Don't bother with the HD 6850, go for the 6870 and in 6 months or so drop another card in there for a CrossfireX solution.

Will be quite a nice rig!

Graeme

Saying the 4890's are old just because of dx 10.1 doesn't mean their slow cards, as their still a great price/performance.
For two monitors at 1920x1200, you would need a 1gb card, so the 460 768mb is out. A 6850 is a fast card, but it may slow down at resolutions that big, even with eyefinity support.
You would need to go:
2x460 1gb
2x6850
6870
That's if you want to play on high settings with both monitors enabled, 2x460's or a 6870 also allows for a third monitor to be set up in the future.
November 18, 2010 12:26:54 PM

dalta centauri said:
Saying the 4890's are old just because of dx 10.1 doesn't mean their slow cards, as their still a great price/performance.
For two monitors at 1920x1200, you would need a 1gb card, so the 460 768mb is out. A 6850 is a fast card, but it may slow down at resolutions that big, even with eyefinity support.
You would need to go:
2x460 1gb
2x6850
6870
That's if you want to play on high settings with both monitors enabled, 2x460's or a 6870 also allows for a third monitor to be set up in the future.


Going for a card that is 2+ years old is backwards thinking. You won't even find them in comparative benchies of the newer cards anymore.

Stick with the more recent offerings and no matter what you go with I'm sure you'll be happy.
November 19, 2010 5:45:46 PM

Thank you all for the constructive advice :) 

I have to say I am leaning towards the green camp with the 460.

The last obstacle is this:

I can get two factory overclocked 768mb versions or just about stretch to two standard 1gb cards.

Cheers for your help so far
a b U Graphics card
November 19, 2010 5:49:11 PM

An overclocked 768mb GTX 460 will likely perform like a standard 1GB card. There is a core difference between them (more shader processors).
a c 105 U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 11:22:39 AM

2 768 cards aren't going to do squat at 1920x1200..... not enough v-ram. I choke a 1gig card sometimes. 768x2=768 in the world of video cards.
November 20, 2010 11:39:15 AM

In my personal opinion 2x6850 wins.

But as your pretty much set your mind to 2x460 go with the 1GB cards. Don't go with the 768MB cards with your resolution / monitors even if they are overclocked... You will regret it.
a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 11:53:49 AM

The 768mb has a 192-bit bus while the 1gb has a 256-bit bus.

Two GTX 460 1gb's would be good for your proposed resolution. Here's an MSI for about $200:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2xGTX 460 1gb's=app.$400. My question: if you're looking at getting two of those, why not consider getting a single GTX470?

Here's a normal MSI 470 for 299:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Want more? Try this Super OC'd 470 from Gigabyte for the same price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With a good PSU (600W), you should be more than happy on all the titles you mentioned above.
a c 214 U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 2:07:08 PM

I watched a video the other day on youtube, was this guy testing out the 6870 he had 3 40" 1080p TV's set up and was running everything great with just a single 6870.I would reccomned getting a 6870.I play Cod:Black Ops and it isn't very demanding and i would also suggest buying another one in the future that should last you about 2 years.
a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 6:13:01 PM

namelessonez said:
2xGTX 460 1gb's=app.$400. My question: if you're looking at getting two of those, why not consider getting a single GTX470?


2 x GTX 460 1GB's will beat a single GTX 480 by as much as 20% in some cases. So comparing them to a single GTX 470 is a mistake from a performance standpoint.

Now, a single GTX 470 is cheaper than 2 x GTX 460s. So in that aspect, it's not a bad idea if you want to spend less but get awesome performance @ 1920x1080. And then you can add another GTX 470 later on for SLI.

Or for a more similar price, you could put in a single GTX 480 ($420 to $430 for basic versions).
December 5, 2010 5:30:19 PM

Sry for the minor necro but I didn't want to start a new thread.

It seems financial pressures are going to limit me to a single card solution. I think the following options are open to me:

GTX 470 @ £190
HD 5870 @ £180
HD 6870 @ £200

Please put me out of my misery and tell me there is a clear winner in this trio :bounce: 
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2010 8:45:08 AM

What resolution do you play at? Depends on that factor. If you're at 1920x1080, then you're justifying the above listed cards. However, if its below that, you're better off with a GTX 460 or HD5770.

The 470 and the 5870 are close competitors though the 470 has better performance as far as tessellation goes. The 470 also outperforms the 5870 in certain cases but both are more or less same. However, the 470 does run much hotter than the 5870. But if you have a well ventilated case and adequate cooling, that won't be a problem.
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2010 8:54:26 AM

GTX 470 is almost equivalent to a HD 5870.Both of them are faster than the 6870.However in certain DX 11 titles the GTX 470 is faster than the GTX 470. I would however get the GTX 470 SOC from Gigabyte.It might be a bit pricier, but its great value and will be faster than a HD 5870.
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2010 12:07:17 PM

Tamz_msc said:
GTX 470 is almost equivalent to a HD 5870.Both of them are faster than the 6870.However in certain DX 11 titles the GTX 470 is faster than the GTX 470. I would however get the GTX 470 SOC from Gigabyte.It might be a bit pricier, but its great value and will be faster than a HD 5870.

The 470 is normally faster then a 470 unless the 470 is slower than the 470. Mostly noted though, a stock 470 has equal performance to another stock 470.
[To this point I wasn't even being sarcastic, just an ass ;)  ]
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2010 1:25:05 PM

Quote:
^LOL

so ur saying a GTX470 can outperform a GTX470 but only at the price of the GTX470?
:lol: 

Depends, only a 470 of equal price can outperform itself.
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2010 3:01:01 PM

Technically the ATI 5870 is a little faster than the GTX 470. However, the nVidia cards are better with tessellation, so if you're playing Tessellation intensive DX11 games, I'd go for the GTX 470.

Either one is a good choice @ 1920x1080 though.
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2010 3:48:34 PM

jerreece said:
Technically the ATI 5870 is a little faster than the GTX 470. However, the nVidia cards are better with tessellation, so if you're playing Tessellation intensive DX11 games, I'd go for the GTX 470.

Either one is a good choice @ 1920x1080 though.

Is Lost Planet 2 an intensive tessellated game?
I only ask because it didn't look too demanding, but when setting to dx11 by 5770 lost framerate badly.
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2010 4:42:05 PM

Never played Lost Planet 2, nor used the Benchmark Demo. However, these guys have:

Legit Reviews: GTX 460 vs ATI 5850
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1391/4/

In DX11 mode the GTX 460 beats out the ATI 5850. So I'd think the GTX 470 might also then beat the ATI 5870 comparatively. Though the 5850 beats out the 460 in DX9 mode.

From that review, here are DX9 vs DX11 screenshots. Roll your mouse over them to switch between DX9 and DX11.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1391/2/
a b U Graphics card
December 6, 2010 4:52:26 PM

Quote:
^But OP has the HD5870 cheaper than the GTX470


I'm just going to guess the OP is looking @ a used ATI 5870. Because having it cheaper than the GTX 470 would be pretty weird otherwise. ;)  For a cheaper price though, the ATI 5870 is probably the way to go all things in consideration. It's a stellar performing card.
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