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January 17, 2011 2:46:07 AM

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/sys/2164334731.html

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http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/sys/2162416012.html

Both same price which is about my budget but I don't know much about comps. I'm looking to run Shogun 2 and Starcraft 2 both on 1920x1080 smoothly at least on medium settings or higher. I'd like if it could handle big fights without a lot of choppy frame rates. If it could run some newer shooters like Black Ops or Battlefield 3 even though the specs aren't out if you guys know around what the specs should be that would be nice aswell :p 

Thanks

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January 17, 2011 4:06:31 AM

The one with 1000W Modular PSU looks a lot more promising than the one with 500W from a no-name brand.

Not to mention the burden of crossfired 4850s on a 500W PSU. And the seller said that it's new. Which leads to the suspicion: "What happened to the previous one?"

But 2GB of RAM may not be enough to run current games at high settings.

Both aren't an ideal gaming PC IMO. But if I were you, I'd prefer the one with HD4890 and 1000W PSU. The other one doesn't seem so stable, looking at how the seller handle and abuse the PSU. 500W for crossfire and OC? I won't even wanna imagine what happened to the old PSU (read: fried). :lol: 

The HD4890 (equal to HD5770, maybe better due to the OC feature) and quad core Phenom should handle the games well at your preferred screen resolution. But you might wanna get a dual channel 4GB kit for a smooth gameplay.
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January 17, 2011 4:12:49 AM

damasvara said:
The one with 1000W Modular PSU looks a lot more promising than the one with 500W from a no-name brand.

Not to mention the burden of crossfired 4850s on a 500W PSU. And the seller said that it's new. Which leads to the suspicion: "What happened to the previous one?"

But 2GB of RAM may not be enough to run current games at high settings.

Both aren't an ideal gaming PC IMO. But if I were you, I'd prefer the one with HD4890 and 1000W PSU. The other one doesn't seem so stable, looking at how the seller handle and abuse the PSU. 500W for crossfire and OC? I won't even wanna imagine what happened to the old PSU (read: fried). :lol: 

The HD4890 (equal to HD5770, maybe better due to the OC feature) and quad core Phenom should handle the games well at your preferred screen resolution. But you might wanna get a dual channel 4GB kit for a smooth gameplay.

Thank you for your input. I also saw another listing at http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/sys/2164372444.html
I realized it doesn't have a graphics card so I emailed him about it and he said " no : ( i can put a 9800gtx 1gb if you buy it for 380 " I don't know if that's good or not though :p 
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January 17, 2011 4:19:17 AM

Keep in mind just because its 1000 watts doesnt mean its any good. I'd go with the second one and maybe throw a better psu at it .
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January 17, 2011 4:24:16 AM

cmi86 said:
Keep in mind just because its 1000 watts doesnt mean its any good. I'd go with the second one and maybe throw a better psu at it .

Besides the PSU's which comp has the best parts? Like CPU and graphics card, etc. I think I can get a power supply for free from one of my family members who works for some company that I forgot the name of. But I remember them mentioning they could hook me up.
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January 17, 2011 4:27:03 AM

Being a DIY builder, I never have any faith in used PCs. I'd build myself a new one if I were you. But that's just a suggestion.

Among the 3 PCs, I still think that the one with 1000W modular PSU is the better option. Reason is, because PSU is a vital component in a PC. The seller obviously knows about this and decided to get an overkill 1000W PSU for a 600W rig. I call that precautious (or paranoid) :lol:  Either way, it's a good thing.

Although you might wanna check the PSU brand. I believe it's from a reliable brand due to the high wattage and modular feature. But it never hurts to check. :) 

The third one on the other hand, is quite compelling. BUT, the 9800GTX specs are lower than the HD4890. See if you can get him to install an HD5770 or equivalent. :p 
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January 17, 2011 4:31:33 AM

damasvara said:
Being a DIY builder, I never have any faith in used PCs. I'd build myself a new one if I were you. But that's just a suggestion.

Among the 3 PCs, I still think that the one with 1000W modular PSU is the better option. Reason is, because PSU is a vital component in a PC. The seller obviously knows about this and decided to get an overkill 1000W PSU for a 600W rig. I call that precautious (or paranoid) :lol:  Either way, it's a good thing.

Although you might wanna check the PSU brand. I believe it's from a reliable brand due to the high wattage and modular feature. But it never hurts to check. :) 

The third one on the other hand, is quite compelling. BUT, the 9800GTX specs are lower than the HD4890. See if you can get him to install an HD5770 or equivalent. :p 

Thanks for all your responses man! Much appreciated. I'd like to build one myself but I don't think I would ever be able to put all these computer parts together. Also I emailed the guy from the 3rd link and he said "cant do that sorry"
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January 17, 2011 4:32:47 AM

cmi86 said:
Keep in mind just because its 1000 watts doesnt mean its any good. I'd go with the second one and maybe throw a better psu at it .

Between throwing a new $60 600W PSU and a new $40 4GB kit, I think a $20 margin is something.

Besides, it's not about the PSU. It's about the other PC's reliabilty. By the time the old PSU smokes out, who can guarantee that the other components aren't affected? Mind you, that both PCs are used items.
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January 17, 2011 4:41:02 AM

So it's down to the one with the HD4890 with an extra 4GB DDR3 RAM to get. That's a total of around $440.

That $380 sure is tempting. But an extra 9800 GTX for as little as $30. I find that too good to be true. Again, they're all used parts, especially the GPU.

This is why I build my own PC, to save the trouble of, what we call, "buying-a-cat-in the-bag" (means: buying something which we haven't seen on tested before) dilemma. :lol: 
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January 17, 2011 4:47:38 AM

Yep fully aware. Thats why it is good practice to fully test things before you buy them. Both are QC's. I'd go with the one with double the ram double the graphics/CF setup and a better boad (IMO foxconn is garbage) If it tests out spring the 60 for a new psu and go with the second one. You will have a better machine in the end of it. Maybe you can even sell the old psu for 20 or 30 bucks on CL : )
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January 17, 2011 4:47:57 AM

damasvara said:
So it's down to the one with the HD4890 with an extra 4GB DDR3 RAM to get. That's a total of around $440.

That $380 sure is tempting. But an extra 9800 GTX for as little as $30. I find that too good to be true. Again, they're all used parts, especially the GPU.

This is why I build my own PC, to save the trouble of, what we call, "buying-a-cat-in the-bag" (means: buying something which we haven't seen on tested before) dilemma. :lol: 

I could get a friend to do the building part of the PC. But I would need to do the buying part with a budget of $400. I don't know a whole lot about computers but I'm pretty sure that's REALLY hard to do especially with the demand of running SC2 on 1920x1080.
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January 17, 2011 5:02:26 AM

SC2 is a graphic intensive game. Meaning you'll need a powerful graphic card to run it at high resolution.

I've seen games with an i7 CPU as standard requirement. But the truth is, graphic card is the key factor.

With that being said, it comes down to 2 choices: DIY with a good GPU (preferably an HD5770 or the better GTX460) or buy a used PC.

$400 is indeed short for a gaming PC budget. But, you're forgetting one thing: you live in the USA :D  Where the computer parts prices are cheap. Newegg, Tigerdirect and Microcenter are at your disposal. Make the most of it. Only if you find that they don't meet your expectations, go for the used PCs.

I'd say, you got a very good chance of getting good parts at low prices.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
January 17, 2011 7:18:11 AM

I'm just going to input my siggy :D  Well it's 200$ above your budget, but you know. I mean if you can stretch your budget I'd say go for it. I chose those parts for future expandability.

http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore

There's a build there for $550, same link in my siggy. I always like building things myself personally it gives you the ability to customize and not worry about used parts. That's something used comps are kind of bad.
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January 17, 2011 3:13:25 PM

Thanks for your help again guys. There's a very low chance I will be able to pick up another $200 to spend on a new computer soon but If I do I'll use your $600 build. That build is capable of running SC2 on medium settings at 1920x1080 right? I also have some other questions. Is there any builds for $400's? Let's say I couldn't build a computer what would you recommend me getting from the CL links I posted above that could handle SC2 at 1920x1080. Thanks!
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January 17, 2011 4:47:24 PM

Also reply to aznshinobi could I take out my current disk drive in my pc and put it in the $600 build?
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January 17, 2011 4:55:44 PM

Dude im tellin ya. If you want the best out of box gaming experience look into the 2nd one. get your buddy to come with you and help you test it out.If it checks out buy it and get a new PSU.You get a Quad core Black edition 4850's in CF 4GB RAM and a gigabyte board. Plus CL is all about haggling and making offers. Tell him you are a little sketched out on the PSU and you'll give him 350, take the 50 saved and buy a PSU. Problem solved
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January 17, 2011 5:02:37 PM

cmi86 said:
Dude im tellin ya. If you want the best out of box gaming experience look into the 2nd one. get your buddy to come with you and help you test it out.If it checks out buy it and get a new PSU.You get a Quad core Black edition 4850's in CF 4GB RAM and a gigabyte board. Plus CL is all about haggling and making offers. Tell him you are a little sketched out on the PSU and you'll give him 350, take the 50 saved and buy a PSU. Problem solved

Are those parts he's offering me a really good deal? Cause some people like damasvara are telling me I'm better off building my own PC. Thanks again guys!
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January 17, 2011 5:23:27 PM

A new PC is nice from the stand point its brand new & its always fun to build a new rig.But if your main priority is raw power to price you will not reach the performance/quality/value level of the prebuilt rig going new build. I'd test the hell out of it and if it passes id buy it in a heart beat.
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January 17, 2011 5:31:22 PM

cmi86 said:
A new PC is nice from the stand point its brand new & its always fun to build a new rig.But if your main priority is raw power to price you will not reach the performance/quality/value level of the prebuilt rig going new build. I'd test the hell out of it and if it passes id buy it in a heart beat.

Alright and what do you think about the third link? It doesn't come with a graphics card but he said "i'll add a 9800gtx 1gb if you buy it for 380"
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January 17, 2011 5:56:06 PM

This is the closest to spec i could build a new rig, they are actually pretty close with the practical swich to DDR3 If building a new rig

CPU & MOBO COMBO-$186.98 Phenom II 565/Gigabyte GA770T USB3.0
Possibility of unlock to quad- not guaranteed.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM-$64.99-OCZ Platinum 4GB DDR3 1600 (2x2)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Cards-$229.98-2X XFX Radeon 4850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU-$69.99-Raidmax 700W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS-Win7 HP-$99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD-$49.99-WD Caviar Blue 500GB

CD DRIVE-$16.99-LG CD/DVD Burner

Case-$49.99-Coolermaster HAF
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

TOTAL $768.91, The choice is yours
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January 17, 2011 5:57:45 PM

Looks like the 3rd one has sold, (posting has been deleted by the author)
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
January 17, 2011 6:08:21 PM

Well here's the thing, I'll break down pros and cons to building your PC.

Pros
It's fun, you get the fun to building your own PC!
You get to pick your parts.
All parts are new.
All parts are under warranty, or are assured.
It can be cheaper to build it by yourself depending on the other builds price.
Future proofed
Cons
Software isn't pre-installed.
You'll have to buy Win7 so that'll increase price to more like 700$.
May be hard for you but I found it pretty easy to do it myself.
Performance may or may not be better.
Raw performance

So that's my list, I actually think that unless you have 700$ don't go for building your own because it isn't exactly worth it unless your willing to put the money in. I will tell you now, that the CF 4850's isn't exactly as good as it was and will continue to decrease in performance as new games get updated and the 4850's tech becomes older.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics...[4604]=on&prod[4511]=on&prod[4541]=on

That is an example, the 9800 GTX+ Defiantly will not be able handle 1920x1080 gameplay very well, but so won't the 460. The 4850's get a little better FPS but not buy a lot. You could overclock your 460 and it'll reach the perf of the CF 4850's quite possibly. Also the 460 has DX11, games are slowly going for DX11 development.

But going with the 590$ build, the one that include the 925, it'll defiantly reach the performance of those other builds. BUT again you'll have to buy your own software which is kind of the downside of the building your PC.

EDIT: You can put your disk drive from your old build in, yes.
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January 17, 2011 7:15:58 PM

aznshinobi said:
Well here's the thing, I'll break down pros and cons to building your PC.

Pros
It's fun, you get the fun to building your own PC!
You get to pick your parts.
All parts are new.
All parts are under warranty, or are assured.
It can be cheaper to build it by yourself depending on the other builds price.
Future proofed
Cons
Software isn't pre-installed.
You'll have to buy Win7 so that'll increase price to more like 700$.
May be hard for you but I found it pretty easy to do it myself.
Performance may or may not be better.
Raw performance

So that's my list, I actually think that unless you have 700$ don't go for building your own because it isn't exactly worth it unless your willing to put the money in. I will tell you now, that the CF 4850's isn't exactly as good as it was and will continue to decrease in performance as new games get updated and the 4850's tech becomes older.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics...[4604]=on&prod[4511]=on&prod[4541]=on

That is an example, the 9800 GTX+ Defiantly will not be able handle 1920x1080 gameplay very well, but so won't the 460. The 4850's get a little better FPS but not buy a lot. You could overclock your 460 and it'll reach the perf of the CF 4850's quite possibly. Also the 460 has DX11, games are slowly going for DX11 development.

But going with the 590$ build, the one that include the 925, it'll defiantly reach the performance of those other builds. BUT again you'll have to buy your own software which is kind of the downside of the building your PC.

EDIT: You can put your disk drive from your old build in, yes.

Thanks man! So just to verify with your $600 build on the squidoo site, that will be able to handle games like SC2 on at least medium settings at full res? Thanks
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
January 17, 2011 8:21:10 PM

Yea that's correct, Newegg doesn't sell the 925 anymore so get that off amazon in thte link below.
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January 17, 2011 8:47:40 PM

Best answer selected by spartaKUSH.
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January 18, 2011 12:29:25 AM

aznshinobi said:
Yea that's correct, Newegg doesn't sell the 925 anymore so get that off amazon in thte link below.

What's the best nVidia graphics card that would work with your $590 build aznshinobi. I can get a nVidia graphics card cheaper because my aunt works for some company that makes parts for nVidia and she said she can get it for a discount. Thanks again! Looking forward to getting enough money for all the parts and then building it!
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
January 18, 2011 5:16:06 AM

Well I would suggest getting the 460 GTX 1gb. But if your aunt works for a part of Nvidia (parts) then wait for the GTX 560, that's going to be 250$ and should give you performance near the 6950's level. So yeah, wait for the 560, the 465 and 470 are based on the older Fermi GF design and is hot and power consuming, not like the 460.
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