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January 18, 2011 12:01:23 AM

Hey Guys. heres the form filled out.

Approximate Purchase Date: Next 3 weeks hopefully

Budget Range: $1000 - $1500

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Web browsing and general usage.


Parts Not Required: Speakers, Monitor, Key board mouse.


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: http://www.msy.com.au (Local dealer) Other wise i dont know any others.

Country of Origin: Australia Melbourne Victoria


Parts Preferences: by brand or type : All parts from msy

CPU: Core i7-950 $319

Mother Board: Asus P6X58D-E $238

Ram: 6gig Patriot-Viper Xtreme $170

Hard Drive: Seagate SATA3 1.5T $89

Graphics card : 2GB 6950 gigabyte $335

Case: Coolermaster RC-922M Haf $139

Power Supply: I have no idea on what to get.

OS: OEM 64 bit MS Win 7 Pro $139


Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Dont think i would need to

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080


Additional Comments: This is what i have been thinking about purchasing.
I have been reading up on us much as i can. I am mainly playing games on the system such as: World of warcraft, starcraft 2 diablo 3 (When it comes out) and some shooters. Im not sure what i have is good or not. Any comments or tips would be good id like to discuss any ideas with people so i can get a system i am happy with and runs great. If anyone needs any more info ill get onto it asap. thanks heaps all !!!!

Ryan

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January 18, 2011 1:31:32 AM

thank you so much for the reply.
i dont think i know anyone with an edu email but ill have a look around.

i used the http://www.antec.outervision.com/ and it said i would need 791W
im not sure if i filled it out properly but least i have an idea now.

Anyone have any comments on the system???
not sure on the graphics card or the cpu after reading so much i have become lost on what to get lol!


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January 18, 2011 1:49:40 AM

Yeah, that looks about right--getting between a 700W and 800W PSU should do you.
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January 18, 2011 3:43:38 AM

from further reading i am hearing alot of good things of the sandy bridge processors
CPU: i5-2500
Which then i would have to change the mother board
MoBo: Asus P8P67-Pro ( there is also an evo delux and a basic edition once again i have no idea which way to go any advice or anything would help me alot!!!
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January 18, 2011 4:07:39 AM

I would save the doe and get the Sandy Bridges i5-2000k. In almost every aspect it outperformed the i7-950 except in name. It always sounds better to say you have an i7 but in this case the i5 outperforms it, and if you can get it for a steal from microcenter for just 180$, and then get an asus pro mobo for just 180.

lg 1300 socket is going out and its just expensive. Yes DDR3 triple channel RAM will have slightly higher speeds than duel channel but its also more expensive, plus if speed matters to you you can get 2000 speed RAM for the same price as triple channel RAM.

Another plus is that you can overclock the i5-2000k past the i7-950 bloomfield. Because the i5 is a k series and has an unlocked multiplier.

Ok sorry last reason. The new mobos (I believe they are lg 1156, will look like an idiot if I got the numbers wrong but oh well) have the new UEF Bios, which make navigating the bios so easy a 2 year old can do it. It really is far more intuitive then the old bio system. Also over clocking is a breeze, takes probably 10 minutes to overclock with this set up. Just be sure to spend the extra 20 bucks and get the k series.

Hope this helps.
ps if you need new RAM I suggest the G.Skill 4Gb or 8Gb sets both are highly rated and will work wonderfully in that Asus board.
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January 18, 2011 4:10:46 AM

Hastibe said:
Hmm, looks like there are three versions...

Pro: http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=HMMvTCuBcZLfu2YL
Deluxe: http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=FpufhQASBFHNvccl
Evo: http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=erWGi4vbeZa8oxg8

I'd suggest printing out the specs of the three and then highlighting the differences, to figure out what's going on with the three versions.


Just get the pro, the other two really dont benefit the average user. Also if you really wanna upgrade to one of them its actually better to go the sabertooth route or the republic of gamers series these two boards offer 4x the features that the deluxe and evo do and for a fraction more.

The pro is nice because you can sli/crossfire on it, has multiple usb 3.0, esata 6 gb/s, and comes with a usb 3.0 mounting bracket you can put on your case.
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January 18, 2011 4:36:34 AM

Thank you so much for your input guys its helping me along greatly! Sorry to be asking so much of everyone i just want to make sure i nail this the first time around and be happy with i buy and not waste my money.

Im going to look into what has been said so far and start adjusting what i will get

Any more suggestions on any other parts would be fantastic

Thanks once again!
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January 18, 2011 4:54:48 AM

Here is the build priced out

CPU - i5-2000k: 180$
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

mobo - Asus p67 pro: 185$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaw 2x2GB: 50$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: 2x PNY Gtx 460: 340$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Tower+PSU: Haf 922 Coolermaster + coolermaster 700W -140$ (with 10$ code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Drive: Samsung spinpoint 1Tb- 70$ (this drive is ten times better than that seagate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Drive: Sony - 20$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827131061

OS: if you are a student you can get the OS direct from microsoft for 30$

Total- 985$ without SH and OS

Thats what I would do.
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January 18, 2011 4:58:42 AM

Cool--why the expensive drive, though? (How's it better than other brands?)
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January 18, 2011 5:05:09 AM

Woops I posted the wrong one here ill edit it. its Higher RPM and if you ask around its the most recommended Drive to get. Its price fluctuates between 70-100$. Drives are better also when they have higher write speeds. For instance this one is 7200 rpm the seagates for the most part dont go over 5400 rpm which is slower. Only time slower rpm is better is when you talking about fans.

Crud I forgot a disk drive in that build, here is a decent sony, any drive will do honestly.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
add 20$ to build
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January 18, 2011 5:53:45 AM

Preolt he's in Australia, everything is like 70$ more.
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January 18, 2011 5:57:40 AM

Woops... hmm might need to redo things then. My apologies
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January 18, 2011 7:34:43 AM

Hastibe said:
If you (or a family member) has a .edu e-mail address, you should be able to get Windows 7 Pro for only $65, see here: http://www.microsoft.com/student/en/us/windows/buynow/d...


If this hasnt been brought up...the link you gave is for an upgrade. Unless you already have win7 home premium then that upgrade wont do you any good.
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January 18, 2011 11:17:53 AM

Unless they changed things, you can still do a clean install--they just it an "upgrade" and make it sound like you have to have some other version of Windows first. :p 
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January 18, 2011 11:20:14 PM

once again thanks for all the replies everyone!

Preolt just a quick question
GPU: 2x PNY Gtx 460: 340$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814133326

Why do you sugest 2 of these cards instead of the original card?
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January 18, 2011 11:28:34 PM

I prefer nvidias drivers because in the past ati/amd has had major trouble with drivers. They have gotten better though and are stable. The card you posted though is a quality card so its really up to you. Either way you go you will be able to run most things on the market.
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January 18, 2011 11:41:47 PM

I would assume that two 6950s in cf would be faster than two gtx 460s in sli since your spending approximately 600 for the to 6950s and 350 for the 460s. The only time you will notice though is if you get monitor resolution above 1920x1200 and even that is high. If you look at 90% of monitors on the market they dont go above this.

The 6950s will be better if you want to get multiple monitors for sure but most people dont ever want to do this or have space for it. The 460s sli better (what I mean is they work more efficiently together then the other, the only reason they are slower is because they are the older third tier model.) The gtx's also have physics, and while this shouldn't be a complete selling point it is a nice plus.
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January 18, 2011 11:49:23 PM

preolt said:
The gtx's also have physics, and while this shouldn't be a complete selling point it is a nice plus.

What is physics? I've never really understood what benefit it provides.
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January 18, 2011 11:50:59 PM

Wait what? I think your misinterpreting what I meant. I was comparing the 460s in SLI to a SINGLE 6950. But as you can see from the chart the 6850's (6850!!!! not 6950) in CF is better than the 460s in SLI.
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January 19, 2011 12:53:53 AM

physics is just a special type of ingame graphics. It is supposed to make flying objects, explosions, bullets, and overall movement more realistic and less laggy. It isnt utilized often enough to make it a key selling point just a nice extra. Though some consider it to be a selling point, it has been proven that the benefits are not large enough to warrent spending a premium for it. Others say it still makes gaming xp more personal and realistic but that isnt really quantifiable.

As for the graphics cards I apologize for misreading you are correct the 6850 in crossfire outperforms duel gtx 460s in sli. But that was before the superclocked version of the 460 existed.
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January 19, 2011 1:03:31 AM

SO in my opinion is stupid, just a marketing scheme, when the user him or her-self can do it themselves. And I think overclocked 460's do make a valid point but then that's like saying you can overclock a 6850 to past a 6870's level to. To that, you can flash it to a 6870's level if your card doesn't offer voltage tweaking.

Of course, if the end-user doesn't OC then I would guess that super overclocked or FTW versions are valid. But from FTW to 6870, your better off with the 6870 to have headroom since the FTW has reached its max. (Referring to the 460 FTW) Since the 6870 could just OC a tiny bit and be faster than the 460 FTW.
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January 19, 2011 1:58:02 AM

HAHA i am so lost ! i like the sounds of having to cards in SLI/Crossfire.
i guess which ever is going to work the best is what im looking for.

i was going with ATI just because alot of the reviews i looked at were saying ATI cards were the way to go atm... not that the nvidia cards are crap, just ati's are better.. but i have no idea now!
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January 19, 2011 2:29:28 AM

tbh with you, really all is preference, if ATI doesn't have a card to fit that price, Nvidia does, if Nvidia doesn't, ATI does. Personally I like ATI/AMD, Many people say they have driver issues, but I've never had an issue with my 5850's drivers (that's when they were the worst maybe I'm just lucky) Anyway, just get what fits you.

Here's some perspective.

5770<450 1gb<460 768mb<460 1gb greater than or equal to 6850 1gb<5850<470<5870<6950<570<580<5970

I found the 6970 just stupid, the 6950 OC'd is way better according to, BAM!
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6950/3...
And the fact you can OC.

The 5850 is good as a single card, if your looking to dual card, the 6850's or 460's are better for the money. But just to tell you 6850 CF > 460 1gb SLI.

The 470 is something I would rather get the 5850 as the card is so cheap now and can OC past a 5870's level while the 470 can OC they run hot and are power hungry. Plus they aren't exactly "cool" when your in SLI.

480 not mentioned because many cards can be bought at that price but perform better. Correct me if I'm wrong in those comparisons, I just rushed them.
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January 19, 2011 3:22:12 AM

Well its good we are both here haha, you get both sides of the coin.

To address the statement of gtx400/500 series verses amd's (it is no longer ati, amd has changed the name completely) respective versions. Toms Hardware themselves states what shinobi said about the gtx 400 series using alot of power and giving off alot of heat. But they also state that the gtx 400 series has more head room then the comparable amd versions. Head room means how much it can be over clocked. Over clocking is when you take a factory product and squeeze it like a lemon to get extra juice out of it. Just thought I would give you a brief view there

Now lets bring things back to your personal situation. When I was first building my first pc I thought the idea of sli and crossfire (multiple cards working together). This sounds fine and dandy but its not as simple as it sounds. Having multiple cards means you just have more software/hardware to look after.

I suggest sticking to a single card. The card you have chosen already is a quality gpu. I suggest you stick with it. As for overclocking it to the next level card you are gonna wanna be careful. Make sure you have proper air flow, power, and either know what you are doing or following a guide.

Wrapping this up though, your build is a good build with the few added changes people have suggested. With the graphics card situation you cant lose. Both companies are good and its a matter of preference.

PS. the 580 outperforms the 5970 any day, wait till amd releases their next 6000 series card then we can talk ;) 
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
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January 19, 2011 4:05:49 AM

^ hmm frame rates dont give the whole story

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/14/geforce_gtx_5...

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1062/pg13/nvidia-...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-580-gf1...

Thats not including the fact that you pay 200-300$ more for a card that is a year older. Ill say it again wait till the new 6000 series flagship comes out then we can see how the gtx 580 really fairs when the blows are thrown.

Lets try to keep this on topic though and help Ryan get the best pc he can for his money.
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January 19, 2011 5:05:17 AM

Ok I will stay on topic. But just to be fair. The 580 is 500$. The 5970 is 580$. Not 200-300 dollars more.

Anyway, I think that the 5970 has aged though, if I bought a 5970 I'd rather buy 2x 6950's for near the same price for around 1.5x the performance.

BTW Just to inform those who don't know, ATI/AMD does offer 3D in their newer cards. You just need a monitor that supports HDMI 1.4a I believe. It's 1.4 or 1.4a can't remember. But yeah, I think this'll be more widespread as it doesn't require a specific certified Nvidia monitor nor does it require super expensive Nvidia 3D glasses. But it's all preference. Not many devs are working with the HDMI 1.4a 3D currently. Crysis 2 will probably the first with both 3D supports.

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February 1, 2011 1:12:05 AM

Best answer selected by ryan08.
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