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I want to try and build my own PC. Can I use my old 2008 HP Pavillion case? My system crashed...the motherboard is bad according to the repair tech. He said not to sink another penny into it. I am interested in learning how to build my own system and was hoping I could use the case. Any ideas out there?

Reply to 44surf

Yep. I just used an HP case from 2004 for my most recent build. This that will matter:
Airflow
Size of Case (can it fit mATX and ATX? Video Card Space?)
Appearance
Fancy Proprietary Mounting devices

Reply to dalauder

Chances are that you can stuff a typical mATX motherboard into the HP case. However, as dalauder points out you may run into a few problem areas.

HP, like many OEM builders, use proprietary front panel connectors often. You may have to seperate the LED (HDD and Power), power switch, and reset switch wires to physically connect to the new motherboard.

Also, HP, Dell, and others often use rather weak PSUs in many of their systems. The spcific PSU you would be recycling may not be up to the task of powering a lot of GPUs. We would need to know the output rating of your current PSU to know what it can handle or not.

You may also need to look closely at your case's airflow. Adding new stuff into a case designed for less heat could create some problems for you. If the case will allow you to install both front and rear fans, you should be fine. Otherwise, be prudent in how much horsepower (generates heat, draws power) you decide to install.

Last, it will still look like an HP. Not much you can do there. But who cares?

Have fun!

Reply to COLGeek

I, for one, like the old hp cases as they are the one thing I think hp got right with some of their prefab desk tops. I've had 4 over the years and the last one was almost 10 years old when it died. The trick I found when recycling the case is do your homework ahead and check out what you need to make it work. Also it's not worth doing if you are afraid to have to modify things a bit, as I had to rewire a lot of the terminal wires from the case to the board as was mentioned by COL. easy way to do it is to take it one piece at a time and check to make sure the dimensions match and that things work right. I also had to make some new holes in a case I reused so that my post all lined up on the motherboard, but it was a non-issue as it all worked out in the end. (case I used was from an A320N)

Message edited by evilavatar on 01-19-2011 at 07:55:37 PM

Reply to evilavatar

What sort of components are you planning on having in your case? And what's your budget?

I can more or less guarantee that you'll be able to fit in an ATX or mATX board in since They were both released more than 13 years ago.

Reply to Thaizasaskand

Best answer

I just modded a Compac/HP Presario SR2030NX, it had a stripped down ASUS board mATX size.
I replaced it with a ASRock mATX board from newegg and fit was a perfect fit.
Everything lined up from the holes to the I/O shield, all the connections to the motherboard.
Just look and take measurements even and see what size you'll need, even look at the board itself and see if yours is a stripped down ASUS board.
post back what exactly it is then go from there..
Odds are that if an ASUS board then another ASUS board or ASRock even will not need any extra mods for all the connections to work.
I've done it a few times.

P.S.
I was even to use the same RAM since the board was AM2 and I replaced it with AM2+ board..

Message edited by malmental on 01-19-2011 at 11:05:45 PM

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Reply to malmental

Thank you all so much for your comments. The case is from an HP Pavilion a6500f PC. It's only a 2008, but as is mentioned the motherboard is malfunctioning. I have not had much luck with HP products. Something is wrong with the memory slots. Everything else seems to work. Can any of you recommend a good instructional book that can help me build my system? I am not very knowledgeable about all this tech stuff...but I find it really interesting. Thanks!

Reply to 44surf

Just a few other questions....Can I use my old processor? It's an Intel dual core. I was also wondering about using any of the other components...as long as they are functional.

Reply to 44surf

You can reuse other parts depending on the mobo you buy and the setup or old computer had. You are not going to get much more in terms of power by reusing the processor and that is usually the point of building something new. You can often usually reuse the cd/dvd drive, hdd, and psu but you have to realize they are also old and they may not always last as you are reusing them. If you can afford it a lot of the periferal parts are pretty cheap new so I alwyas try to convince people to buy new unless they have a really good reason not to.

Reply to evilavatar

OP - did you even read my posts.?

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Reply to malmental

Mal~I did read your post...but I will be the first to admit that I am not very smart about all this stuff. I need a" how to" manual.

thaiz~ My 11 year old son wants to put in a quad core processor so he can have a gaming computer...LOL. My goal is to merely become more competent in the computer realm and have a reliable system.

Reply to 44surf

it easy mate, don't sell yourself short. just make sure you have a good understanding from the questions and research your going now..
especially like I said if your current HP is a ASUS board then it's easy, very simple.
I understand it might be more simple to sum than others but you and your son can also have fun at the same time.
side note:
my 5 year old son (the little turd.. LOL)
has a dual core athlon x2 and a 8600GT just for cartoon network dot com to play some game he learned from his school.
crazy..

Message edited by malmental on 01-21-2011 at 06:02:17 AM

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Reply to malmental

It's a foxconn MB.

Message edited by 44surf on 01-21-2011 at 09:21:31 AM

Reply to 44surf

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc [...] c=en&cc=us

* Manufacturer's motherboard name: Foxconn MCP73M01H1

* HP/Compaq name: Napa-GL8E

Form factor: microATX - 9.6 inches (24.4 cm) x 8.5 inches (21.5 cm)

Chipset: GeForce 7100/nForce 630i

Memory sockets: 2 x DDR2

Front side bus speeds: 800/1066/1333 MHz

Processor socket: 775

this will be a piece of cake, I'm just trying to decide which motherboard to recommend.
so now what parts do you currently have and do you want to re-use them or go in another direction.?

Message edited by malmental on 01-21-2011 at 02:20:35 PM

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Reply to malmental

Mal!!! You are awesome! Are you actually offering to help me through this process? I did not want to bother anyone...I just went and picked up building your own computer for dummies yesterday...LOL.

I am not sure what I could reuse..But I do believe that it is only the MB that was bad...the memory slots in particular...although the computer repair guy said he thought my video card? was going too. Sometimes I would get lines across the screen...But I am not sure...I am not really very knowledgeable about all of this. I thought I would take a look at the book so I did not completely embarrass myself. I do think that it will be an interesting project to do with my son.

Do you think that I should just go in another direction? My 11 year old of course wants to put in an i7 etc. But we don't really need that much. We are pretty basic computer users...although he loves to play games.

Reply to 44surf

well, we can start but full troubleshooting you current motherboard and see what exactly the problem(s) is/are..
so is the unit in tact currently and what exactly are all the specs.?
also.
so describe in detail what exactly is going on, step by step..

Message edited by malmental on 01-26-2011 at 09:32:55 PM

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Reply to malmental

Well I want to just replace the motherboard...and probably the hard drive. I tried to recover the computer with recovery discs and it just keeps shutting down..it goes to blue screen with a warning that windows is shutting down to protect something or other. I guess it is getting over stressed when put to any task. Now I cannot even get to windows...but the computer itself turns on and I can get to the different F menus. I know I probably am using the wrong lingo...sorry.

It is...or was...an HP Pavillion a6500f PC with an Intel Pentium Dual-core desktop processor E2220. It has 4096MB system memory and 500GB hard drive. It has a DVD burner, NVidia GeForce 7100 graphics, Windows Vista home premium 64 bit edition with Service Pack 1. And...it's a pain in the a$$. LOL!

The problem started back in September...bad memory. I replaced the memory sticks and it was still not working. I then cleaned the slots with compressed air...and then it seemed to work. About a month ago it just started shutting down in the middle of a task...downloading, running virus scans etc. I ran a diagnostic because I thought it might be the memory. It passed...but I tried changing the sticks anyway. It did not help. It did not shut down in safe mode...only in regular operation. I made the mistake of trying to wipe the computer...and now I have no operating system. I was afraid of that happening...but I figured it didn't work properly anyway so I did not have much to lose. When I turn it on now I can get to the HP diagnostic screen. When I try to run the recovery discs...it just shuts down. I see the lovely blue screen with the same message as before.

Reply to 44surf

first question.
do you want take the time and troubleshoot this or are just going to look for new motherboard and HDD and move on.?
and I take it that you want to re-use your processor and RAM with the new board..?
is the DVD burner IDE or SATA.? What exactly is your RAM, speed and timings.?
example: pc2-6400 ddr2 800mhz cl5 or pc2-5300 ddr2 667mhz cl5

i know already the board specs from above and have an idea of some replacements if wanting to go that way.
what's the price range for the motherboard and HDD.?

Message edited by malmental on 01-27-2011 at 04:05:58 PM

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Reply to malmental

I was just going to get a new motherboard and HDD and move on. I thought the less complicated the better...especially since I have never done anything like this. The memory sticks are PC2-6400 ddr2 800. When the memory first failed I tried to upgrade the RAM with the appropriate hardware, but it wouldn't work. The computer repair guy said it was only a matter of time before the system gave out...He was right I guess.

As far as price range...I don't need to go too crazy...but it would be nice to build something a little better than what I have/or had. I know the new RAM is ddr3. I am not really sure what the difference is from ddr2, but I have been told that it is newer technology. Would it be possible to upgrade to that? Or should I stick with the RAM that I have? The boy of course wants to upgrade everything. LOL

Reply to 44surf

I am going to have to go look up the other specs. I can't find them on the tower itself. I will get back to you. I am not sure of our time zone differences. I am in southern cali so i apologize for any late responses.

Reply to 44surf

what about the processor, that's also important.
depending on budget and if wanting to go DDR3 then I suggest a change to AMD and a athlon ii x3 (triple core unit).
best bang for the buck...
but if wanting to use the current processor (c2d e2220) then I do not suggest a move to DDR3 RAM.

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Reply to malmental

don't worry about the specs just yet then...
I'm in S FL-US, EST 1215pm..

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Reply to malmental

I am looking at the bios cmos setup utility screen and I see PATA controller and SATA controller so I am thinking that I must have a SATA DVD burner.

I am thinking I might just want to keep my current processor. It seems to work and is fast enough...not sure about gaming possibilities...but I would rather my son played games on his gaming systems...He has played games on this PC...Maybe that is what caused the problems. The problem with shutting down started after he installed PLANTS VS. ZOMBIES? I cannot remember the exact title.

I just ran a diagnostic on this computer and everything passed. Now I am
running the recovery manager...Just for fun . It says it is reformatting and reinstalling original content. I am sure it will shut down any minute and I will get the dreaded blue screen. Oops...there it is. It says "A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer. Memory_Management. Etc.

Reply to 44surf

write out the whole code eith no etc.'s this may well be a fixable issue and why rebuild if you can buy a few parts and fix what you have (if you even need parts at all). The only reason I believe in building is so you can upgrade your rig.

Reply to evilavatar

with the new motherboard you can even overclock the processor..

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Reply to malmental

mal, that would be a reason to "upgrade" to me, but I'm cheap so I have not bought anything in a while. I finally caved after my 6 year old desktop died.

Message edited by evilavatar on 01-27-2011 at 10:53:08 PM

Reply to evilavatar

^
i know the feeling evilA...

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Reply to malmental

Hey EA~ Well to get the error message I would have to stress out the computer again by trying to recover it. Since I first tried to use the recovery partition I have not been able to get to windows. If I try to use the recovery cd's it stresses out and goes to the blue screen message. I have had two computer tech guys from two different repair places (Once back in Sept. when the problems first started and again in December) tell me that they think the motherboard is bad so that was why I wanted to replace it. I also think I probably screwed some things up on the hard drive by trying to recover the system...so I thought I would try and replace that. I am running the HP recovery as I type,. and I am sure it will shut down momentarily. I will type out the error message when it comes up. It is 18 % into the reinstall of original content.

I already purchased a new laptop...Toshiba this time...so I thought I would keep this one and experiment with trying to fix it. It's a good mother/son project.

Message edited by 44surf on 01-28-2011 at 03:35:11 AM

Reply to 44surf

OK...Here is the entire error message.

A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.

MEMORY_MANAGEMENT

If this is the first time you've seen this stop error screen restart your computer. If this screen appears again, follow these steps:

Check to make sure any new hardware or software is properly installed. If this is a new installation, ask your hardware or software manufacturer for any windows updates you might need.

If problems continue, disable or remove any newly installed hardware or software. Disable BIOS memory options such as caching or shadowing. If you need to use Safe Mode to remove or disable components, restart your computer, press F8 to select Advanced Startup Options, and then select Safe Mode.

Technical information:

***STOP: 0X0000001A (0X0000000000005100,0XFFFFF6FC40019048,0X0000000000000001,0XCC5000006F26C963

Reply to 44surf

OK.
what I'm going to do is find you a motherboard and HDD combo for cheap, good but cheap; shall I proceed.?
I'll provide you with some links for assembly/building and I will type some personal tidbits for you as well.

Message edited by malmental on 01-28-2011 at 02:34:44 AM

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Reply to malmental

Awesome!

Reply to 44surf

I take it you also want overclocking abilities.?
did you say something earlier about you ran a memtest for testing the RAM.?
if so then did the RAM check-out OK.?

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Reply to malmental

I am sorry to say that I have no idea what "overclocking abilities" are. I am going to look it up. I did test the RAM and it passed...but when I tested it with windows it failed...that is when I could even get to windows. I think the problem has to do with the memory slots and not the memory sticks. Everything passes when I run the HP diagnostic...but something is obviously not working.

Initially when I had the RAM problem back in Sept. the RAM test failed. I replaced the sticks multiple times...Kingston, Patriot, Crucial (?), and Corsair, but the memory kept failing. The computer tech told me it had to be the slots. I took the tower home, cleaned everything with compressed air, put the new Patriot ddr2 ram in and it worked for two months then just started shutting down any time you tried to get on the internet, run a scan, burn a cd etc. Sorry it that is more info than you need.

Message edited by 44surf on 01-28-2011 at 07:40:56 AM

Reply to 44surf

OK...I now have an idea of what overclocking is. Sounds like a good thing.

Reply to 44surf

I'm good with all the above info...
your on my to-do list.....
How's the weather in Cali today.?

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Reply to malmental

I so want to go in another direction and suggest you run an athlon ii x3 build with a combo kit that includes motherboard, cpu and RAM...
It's better an can be done for cheap becuase you have everything else you need.
Since you already have the E2220 processor, I'm still investigating that route as well.
example:
1. AMD ADX450WFGMBOX: $79.99
2. Biostar A880G+: $64.99

Combo Discount: -$14.99
Combo Price: $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.581123

3. G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333: $46.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] CL8D-4GBRM
---------------------------------------
$129.99 + $46.99 =

$176.98 TOTAL

just an idea of the cost for a platform change, all you need is the three components then re-using the case and all it's hardware..

currently looking for a replacement using your current motherboard...

Message edited by malmental on 01-28-2011 at 06:29:57 PM

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Reply to malmental

That sounds good for me. It has been like summer here all week.

Message edited by 44surf on 02-01-2011 at 06:00:32 PM

Reply to 44surf

Newegg said it did not guarantee compatibility of the components. I am guessing...since you obviously know a lot about this that these items are compatible. One of the sales guys from BestBuy (He is the one who recommended that I build my own system and not throw out my old case) also told me that not all motherboards would fit the HP tower. Do you think that will be a problem?

Reply to 44surf

I selected these parts in confidence...
I also verified to make sure the RAM and motherboard IS compatible..
Just go for it, it will all work and fit.
This way you can acquire some older/cheap parts and have a secondary unit with your current processor and RAM
when you are ready or when needed.

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Message edited by malmental on 01-29-2011 at 02:12:35 PM

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Reply to malmental

malmental wrote :

+1 to malmental's suggested items. They will work just fine and you should be MOST pleased with the performance delivered. HOOAH!!!

Reply to COLGeek

Sounds like a plan.

What about the hard drive and OS?

Reply to 44surf

how big is your old one, out of curiosity.?

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Reply to malmental

500 GB. Maybe I don't need to replace it. I am just not sure if I screwed it up when I tried to recover the computer. Maybe it will be able to use the recovery partition if the system stops shutting down in the middle of the process.

Reply to 44surf

just re-format the HDD with a fresh copy of windows 7 that you install on it....
500GB HDD is good enough for now..

the heatsink/fan is included in the retail box with the processor and it might already have a application of thermal paste already installed.
but once you order the parts listed above I feel you will need a tube of thermal paste just to make sure.
Artic Silver 5
http://www.amazon.com/Arctic-Silve [...] 595&sr=1-1
$6.45

and your ready to get started..

Message edited by malmental on 01-30-2011 at 06:42:01 PM

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Reply to malmental

OK...I ordered the parts. Free shipping...but California tax. Feeling a little overwhelmed. I watched a video on building your own pc...There are so many wires...and I don't have a manual for my old case. The child is not helping...LOL! He wants to know why I am not putting a quad core in...wants a certain type of graphics card, sound card etc. I just need him to be quiet for a minute...sigh. He says..."Mom, you know I'm kind of a geek right?

On another note. I can probably pick up a tube of the thermal paste at Fry's right? There is one about 5 miles from me.

Reply to 44surf

fry's should have it yes.
tell him that since he is not quite in engineering school and/or doing AUTOCAD just yet, there is no need for quad core; waste of money..
as for graphics card, we never discussed adding that... LOL I got ideas for that too..
the only thing you will need is the manual that comes with the motherboard.
all the wires should be labeled and if not then just follow where they lead with your hands and eyes, it's simple.
it would be a little harder actually if you had a aftermarket case.

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Reply to malmental

OK. I will let you know when the parts arrive. It should not take to long. Newegg shipped today from Industry, California.

Reply to 44surf

yes here is that pesty 11 year old son asking a question. What gaming video and sound card would you recommend?

Reply to 44surf

use the on-board sound card for now, it's very good enough and is a RealTEK 6-channel sound card..
As for video (gfx) card, what's your budget for one AND tell me about your current power supply and it's wattage.?
^
that's the important part in gfx card selection..

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Reply to malmental

I let my son read this thread last night...He first said your a genius LOL! He said "really mom...I understand a lot more about this than you." Ahh, the confidence of youth. Then he said..."Wow...that guy is so nice!" He wanted to post his question so I let him. I am probably budgeted out right now since I just bought the new laptop and these other components. I will have to look into how expensive the video cards are.

I am not sure exactly what you mean by the power supply...As I said...I'm pretty clueless about all of this stuff. However, I did find a label on the case that says:

AC INPUT 100-127V - 6A
50/60 Hz 200-240V - 3A

Message edited by 44surf on 02-02-2011 at 12:57:42 AM

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