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November 20, 2010 4:39:28 PM

i just got a brand new geforce gts 450, and i started to to play a game on ultra settings (World of Warcraft) and all i'm getting is 12fps tops... doesn anyone know what is the cause of this, i believe this should be better than the video card i used to have (geforce 9800gt) but i'm getting worse fps.. I don't mind using EVGA Precision to over clock it, just need to know what numbers to clock it to

System Specs:
Intel Pentum D CPU 3.00ghz
2 gb of RAM
Geforce gts 450

Let me know if you need more info on my system

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a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 4:47:17 PM

What resolution are you playing at?

Secondly, your Pentium D is probably going to be a little bit of a limitation. WoW has gotten more demanding lately due to expansions. Plus, it's not really any good at multithreading. So the faster your CPU the better, as WoW doesn't use up multi core CPUs anyhow. The Pentium D is fairly aged at this point.

Also, 2GB of RAM (depending on what OS you're using) could be an issue too. Primarily if you have a lot of WoW addons installed and enabled. They can eat up system resources pretty quickly!

Here's how you can tell!! Turn off addons. See if your FPS improves. Reduce graphic settings, see if FPS improves. Reduce your resolution, see if FPS improves.

If these changes improve things, then you've gotten a GPU limitation somehow. If however, reducing settings gives no performance increase, then your system is holding back your GPU.
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November 20, 2010 5:06:39 PM

i'm playing at 1440X900.... when i lower the settings the FPS get faster. the lower i put the graphics the higher FPS i get... so what do i do now?
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a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 5:11:12 PM

If reducing the graphic settings gives you a performance increase, this would suggest that your video card is the limitation. :)  It may just not be able to handle Ultra High settings. Also keep in mind, where you are at in the game has an affect on this as well. For instance, out in a wilderness area versus in city where lots of people are at. There's more stuff to render that's moving all around.

Check your Shadow settings specifically, as WoW apparently has added new Shadow / Shader affects in recent expansions. Shadows are usually one of the largest performance crippling things in any game. So reduce/remove those and then try different settings to see what plays well.

Also: Make sure you install the LATEST nVidia Forceware driver for your GTS 450. If you're using an older driver that didn't have optimizations/support for the GTS 450 that could certainly make a difference as well. The GTS 450 should certainly show better performance than a Geforce 9800GT.
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November 20, 2010 5:22:59 PM

thats wat i tought to that the 450 would be better than the 9800gt.. i tried installing the newest drivers and when i try to run WoW it says i don't have any 3D rendering drivers, and to install directX 9.0/10. but i already have DiretX 11. maybe over clocking will work??
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a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 5:59:46 PM

Overclocking won't affect DirectX issues. I would download and install the latest Microsoft DX installer
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November 20, 2010 8:53:22 PM

i ment over clocking the video card for better performance
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a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 8:57:28 PM

I understood that. But you said that with the latest drivers, WoW tells you there's no 3D rendering drivers and to install DirectX 9.0/10. So I was saying that overclocking won't fix that problem.

If you're getting worse performance with the GTS 450 than with the old 9800GT, there's something not working right somewhere. And it could be a driver related problem (or directX perhaps).
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November 20, 2010 9:29:25 PM

i tried both of your methods, and i get 5FPS in stormwind :'(  4.... should i just return this video card back?
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November 20, 2010 9:33:11 PM

mafioso200 said:
i tried both of your methods, and i get 5FPS in stormwind :'(  4.... should i just return this video card back?

uninstall your older video card drivers and install new ones for your 450
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November 20, 2010 9:42:19 PM

i think they should be uninstalled because i reprogramed this PC withought the 9800gt inside of it, the only video card inside of it was the 450.
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a b U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 9:54:37 PM

Pre-Programmed? As in you installed Windows while the GTS 450 was already installed? Is that what you mean?

I wonder if there's a PCI-E bandwidth problem. Can you run GPU-Z and see if it shows whether the card is in 8x or 16x bandwidth? I'm also wondering, since you have a Pentium D, if you have an older PCI-E 1.0 slot. Could limit overall performance.
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November 20, 2010 9:56:36 PM

no the drivers for the 9800gt where installed before i programed it.







P.S i just callled EVGA and they said to change the Motherboard memory times... but couldn't help me with that since i have a Foxconn Motherboard. anyone know how to do that?
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November 20, 2010 10:53:38 PM

mafioso200 said:
no the drivers for the 9800gt where installed before i programed it.







P.S i just callled EVGA and they said to change the Motherboard memory times... but couldn't help me with that since i have a Foxconn Motherboard. anyone know how to do that?

Uninstall the older drivers and install the new 450 drivers that should fix your problems.
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November 21, 2010 1:44:19 AM

ok i just turned my computer on about a minute ago, and i log into WoW and my FPS where at 55-60, 2 minutes later they went back down to 15
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November 21, 2010 5:12:06 PM

still at 2GB

I just installed the Street fighter 4 benchmark and i was running at 45.5FPS the game looks realy slow. With my 9800gt i was running that game at 58.5-60FPS easy......
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November 21, 2010 10:02:04 PM

XP is my OS, and how can i over clock my pent. d 3.0ghz??
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a b U Graphics card
November 21, 2010 10:29:48 PM

Software, the bios is locked :( 
You have a prebuilt right?
Personally i hate overclocking cpu's with software.
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November 21, 2010 10:45:09 PM

i just went to can you run it website and i chose WoW and it siad the game will run fast, on recomended settings... how can i be sure if it's the video card??
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a b U Graphics card
November 22, 2010 7:23:02 PM

That image distortion points toward two possible problems:

1) Bad video card

2) Addon causing a conflict with WoW.

Here's what you should probably do:

1) Download and Run the free version of 3dMark06 and see how your video card scores. Also watch to see if you get visual distortions.

2) You can also download and run Furmark to benchmark the GPU and see if it causes any problems. This will stress just the video card, and does so very hard. If your GPU has problems, this program will make them pretty obvious.

If you continue getting visual distortions like your screenshot, then you may need to contact the video card manufacturer about replacing it.
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a b U Graphics card
November 22, 2010 7:47:40 PM

side note on the stating that wow doens't do threading ... wow does thread to up to 4 cores (so the blues say but really only see 2 cores being utilized more than a minor bit).. but 2 cores do show a signifigant advantage over a single core

a dual core cpu would go a long way to helpign you out. and that is probably your bottleneck

also wow esp in a city will utilize up to 3 gigs of ram so depending how much ita keeping cached your 2 gigs might be saturated as well
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a b U Graphics card
November 22, 2010 8:01:57 PM

g00fysmiley said:
side note on the stating that wow doens't do threading ... wow does thread to up to 4 cores (so the blues say but really only see 2 cores being utilized more than a minor bit).. but 2 cores do show a signifigant advantage over a single core

a dual core cpu would go a long way to helpign you out. and that is probably your bottleneck

also wow esp in a city will utilize up to 3 gigs of ram so depending how much ita keeping cached your 2 gigs might be saturated as well


Hmmm. I haven't played WoW for the last 2 expansions. But I played with a Q6600 and never saw WoW actually thread onto two cores before. Maybe that's a new thing, or something they've improved. Interesting.

The other issue with WoW has to do with latency. I played WoW with Burning Crusade with a Q6600 @ 3.2Ghz with the 8800 GTS 512MB @ 1440x900 and could have FPS issue in cities due to poor latency issues. But the OP is suggesting that things always ran fine, until they upgraded their video card.
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November 22, 2010 10:06:52 PM

With Furmark running a benchmark i got

Score: SCORE:697 points (60000 ms)
Max GPU Temp: 41°C
Resolution: 1440x900 (FS) - MSAA: 0X
FPS: min=9 max=21 avg=12
Drivers Forceware 6.14.12.5922 (7-31-2010)

and i have on idea what that means ...
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a b U Graphics card
November 22, 2010 10:17:40 PM

Hmmm. Either you are outside in the cold, or your GPU isn't being pushed very hard. 41C as a max temp while running Furmark is way too low.

Has anyone else tried Furmark on a Pentium D? Does a single core bottleneck Furmark? Honestly, I think you're overdue for a new Processor, Motherboard, and Memory.

Also: It says Forceware 6.14.12.5922 (7-31-2010).
TechPowerUp shows this about your driver:
nv4_disp 6.14.12.5922 (ForceWare 259.22) / XP

Here is a link to the latest drivers:
GeForce 260.99 (10/25/2010)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp-260.99-whql-driver.h...
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November 22, 2010 11:24:58 PM

ok downloaded new drivers. can you tell me how to "my GPU harder"?? normaly how fast can this vido card run this game on Ultra settings?? any other games i try to play look all distorted, might have shipped me a faulty vido card

I would buy another motherboard and CPU. the thing is i have no clue how to install them in my pc with all the wires and stuff. and i don't wana mess up my PC :D 
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a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2010 10:59:06 AM

yea, wotlk brought support for threaded processing basically 3.01 and beyond

and yea at 41 your gpu is not really working... or you live in an igloo (or on the frozen throne if you prefer a wow refrence)

I'd try a driver sweep as well. you did go nvidia to nvidia but your old 8800 drivers might be messing with it.
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a b U Graphics card
November 23, 2010 4:51:12 PM

If your graphics are still distorted in other games, I think it sounds like you have a faulty video card. You may need to contact the manufacturer and explain what's going on. And don't let them get into "motherboard timings" as that has nothing to do with your video card. It sounds like they mean memory timings perhaps. Bad memory timings would be more likely to cause your computer to crash and reboot, not get poor video performance and distorted images in games necessarily.

If you run Furmark again, do the graphics distort at all on the Furmark window?
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November 23, 2010 10:15:59 PM

no furmark looks fine it's not distorded... and i uninstalled all the nvida drivers. i was using a program called driver cleaner pro (i went to nvidia website and they said use that program to uninstall any other nvida drivers in the computer)... the game runs on all low settings 35-40FPS average is around 20FPS
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a c 173 U Graphics card
November 23, 2010 10:45:55 PM

wow is very tricky sometimes but I have been lucky, when it comes to cpu you are better off swaping out for a C2D and overclocking it to at least 3ghz or better and upgrading the ram but for single instance 2gb should be enough unless you have a lot of junk programs that you keep running in background after running gamebooster. Also addons can screw things up so ditch the worst one and that will help a bit. Now are you playing on a high population realm/server? If so that will have an impact on your cpu. Dump the shadows to lowest settings and disable junk features in windows.
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November 23, 2010 10:49:01 PM

it's faster but i wanted to run WoW at least on High Settings 30-40FPS... not all the way low, and all the games are distorted that i didn't want.....
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November 23, 2010 11:09:18 PM

I just called EVGA they are going to send me a replacement. hopefully this will fix the problem..
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November 23, 2010 11:31:08 PM

question: will a core 2 duo processor work on a core 2 quad motherboard??
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a c 173 U Graphics card
November 24, 2010 12:13:51 PM

What is your board? Most Socket 775 boards support a wide range of cpus and dual cores are fairly cheap while the quads are overpriced.
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November 24, 2010 10:36:34 PM

Intel Pentium D CPU 3.00GHZ 3.01GHz

also if you guys can give me a link to some recomendations i would appreciate it
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November 25, 2010 12:13:09 AM

um dumb question... how can i find out what motherboard i'm using??
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a c 173 U Graphics card
November 25, 2010 2:41:10 AM

Lol, take off the side panel and look for some white print. Or try your luck loading up pc wizzard and start looking there.
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April 12, 2012 5:21:29 PM

power supply?????????????????
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