Building a Computer suggestions on P67 build

[saturnsown]

I have not spend dollar one on this build...I am just researching a budget gaming machine. I have been considering overclocking, though with that said I am iffy about overclocking because I never have before (help will be required there). But anyway here is the build I am looking at...I am trying to build for under $2000 and any and all comments are welcome.


Processor Intel I-5 2500k $224.99
Motherboard Asus Sabertooth P67 TUF $219.99
Memory G. Skill Ripjaws 4Gbs (2x2Gbs) $74.99
Power Supply Rosewill Xtreme Series RX850-S-B 850W $89.99
Graphics ASUS GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) Overclocked $509.99
Case Antec Lanboy Air $189.99

$1,309.94


This is basically all that I have nailed down....things that are not on this nailed down list is a SSD, just because I don't know enough about them to which to choose.....I have been thinking I would like an SSD in the 120Gb range. Also I need to upgrade my monitor (both in size and resolution), don't really know the best to choose here either.

 

[Why_Me]

Here's a build worth looking at imo. It includes a monitor, o/s and gtx 580. It gives you the option to upgrade to another one of those 580's for SLI. That psu in this build will run two of those cards in SLI and leave room to spare. Also the board in this build has gotten some great reviews including one from this site.

http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6606 <--- A better look at that case (CM 922 HAF)

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RC-922M-KKN1-GP-Tower-Black/dp/B0026FCI2U/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1295565474&sr=1-2 $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master RC-922M-KKN1-GP HAF 922M ATX Mid Tower Case (Black)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256058 $149.99 - $134.99 after mail-in rebate
SILVERSTONE ST85F-P 850W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157217 $152.99
ASRock P67 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.584425 Combo Price: $238.98
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154003 $6.99 FREE SHIPPING
Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130587 $499.99
EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426 $84.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001U3S5S0/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-5&pf_rd_r=0WTZP6BVYETKEAAD5S00&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470939291&pf_rd_i=507846 $59.99 this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Samsung 1 TB Spinpoint 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.5 inch Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive HD103SJ

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $16.99 FREE SHIPPING
ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754 $99.99 FREE SHIPPING
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236099 $149.99 - $134.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
Asus ML228H 21.5" 1920X1080 2ms Full HD LED BackLight LED Monitor Slim Design 250 cd/m2 10,000,000 :1 (ASCR)

Total: $1,357.89 *not including shipping, rebates, etc...

*Here's a good deal on a decent SSD...although I don't use one myself. I can't justify spending that kind of $$$ just to load up Windows and a few proggy's such as a game or two a few seconds faster.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231415 $204.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series FM-25S2S-120GBSR 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817997013 $4.99 FREE SHIPPING
Rosewill RX-C200P 2.5" SSD / HDD Plastic Mounting Kit for 3.5" Drive Bay

 

[mdd1963]

SSDs make Windows boot quicker, but, is not really considered a budget item

 

[saturnsown]

So if I am trying to build rather carefully budget-wise should the SSD drive be skipped so I can put the money other places?

 

[Why_Me]

So if I am trying to build rather carefully budget-wise should the SSD drive be skipped so I can put the money other places?

That's a big yes. SSD's are for the people who are well to do money wise or clueless....unless you make your living on a PC that is and then time is $$$. Otherwise they are about as useful as t*ts on a nun imo.

 

[saturnsown]

Just noticed the memory that you suggested is a bunch slower then the memory I had.....is the memory one thing I should be looking to overclock?

 

[Why_Me]

Just noticed the memory that you suggested is a bunch slower then the memory I had.....is the memory one thing I should be looking to overclock?

That's the beauty of these new Sandy Bridge set ups...the memory doesn't make one difference in over clocking. That and these mobo's like low voltage memory...like 1.5v. The days of having to have CL7 to get a decent over clock are gone, gone, and more gone. The only ones that are buying the more expensive memory for over clocking these boards are peeps who can't get out of the past...that and/or they are clue less on these P67's.

 

[aznshinobi]

That's a big yes. SSD's are for the people who are well to do money wise or clueless....unless you make your living on a PC that is and then time is $$$. Otherwise they are about as useful as t*ts on a nun imo.

Uhh what? SSD's aren't all expensive, some people get the most expensive SSD's and those people are the people who are just wasting their money. But SSDs are actually really good, they speed up boot speeds and if you like OCing you'll find it beneficial to have one. OCing you'll have to exit and enter the bios alot. You want fast boot times (or at least quick) to get in and get out if unstable. For instance I hate having to wait for my computer to fully boot slowly before I enter Prime95 to test my OC. I just want to get in and get out. Even cheap 70$ SSDs from Corsair (Nova)s are pretty good, they may be cheap and not SandForce controllers but they are still an SSD that'll boot faster than a HDD.

 

[saturnsown]

Dude over $200 for just over 100Gb is expensive.

As for testing OCing....I know next to nothing about OCing though I would like to be able to OC this build. I can't imagine myself trying to push the build to the limit I just want to be able to create a solid, stable, happy gaming machine. I know right now I will need tons of help to overclock.


Oh and my P67 IQ is not really high....but I am getting there I have been asking LOTS of questions.

 

[aznshinobi]

Your choosing way to pricy SSDs then.

A 60gb SSD can be found for 110$. You don't need +100gb for an SSD. That's the people I mean that are pretty bad in choices. Unless you have a $2000+ budget, no need for a 60gb+ SSD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227542

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220511

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226151

 

[saturnsown]

But for an SSD don't I want the space for the OS and since this is a gaming machine don't I want space for games as well. In fact shouldn't be the only place I install games?

 

[aznshinobi]

You should have about 50gb after formatting and OS installed. You want to keep it below 90% filled or 80%. So that'd be 40gb of storage. That should be enough to fit least 5 games? assuming they are 7gb each. I only play like 5 games so yeah that's probably why I think like that about SSDs.

Ultimately it is your decision, the TUF is I don't think worth the cost I think the "tactical vest" is just a marketing scheme. But I haven't seen any benches. Personally I think you'd be better of with the P67 Pro from Asus or the Extreme6 from Asrock. Asrock is just as good, branch of Asus.

 

[saturnsown]

Part of the reason I have kinda settled on the Sabertooth TUF is because the motherboard is really focused on keeping the computer as a whole cool. I have had computers that have wanted to burst into flames, and that idea plus looking at overclocking I have to admit has me kinda alittle worried.

 

[aznshinobi]

Then I assure you the Extreme6 from Asus is good enough with huge north and south bridge cooling sets. The "Tactical Vest" is just a marketing scheme.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-sabertooth-p67-tuf-review/22

As you can see although the board is good, they do mention that the Tactical vest is not even useful, it in fact trapped air below the vest and states that it'd be only good if you have good air flow. Still you probably will have decent air flow. Your preference though in the end.

 

[saturnsown]

Yeah ok I just did a compare between the Extreme6 and the Maximus IV (Asus new P67 gaming board which frankly has a price that freaks me out) and the Extreme6 can stand up to the Maximus....admitted it doesn't have everything....I don't need to be able to 4 way SLI....you can 3 way the Extreme6 which I don't think I'll need Oh and the Maximus has the 5 USB 3.0 controllers....which I think I can skip.

Ok....so I am sold on the motherboard.

Ok now what company or companies would you look at for a SSD?

Also if I do overclock I will need lots of help! People have pointed me at the guides of how to do it but I really really want to be able to ask questions.

 

[aznshinobi]

Well as far as SSDs go, Mushkin's Callistos are pretty solid, OCZ's Vertex 2's are pretty good and so are Patriot Infernos or G.Skill Phoenix

 

[chnathan]

Another option to get the benefits of an SSD while lowering the cost is to make use of Marvell's new SSD controller with HyperDuo, which comes on the Asus P8P67 Deluxe MB. Basically it lets you combine a small SSD with a larger HDD to form a single logical volume. The SSD works as a cache for the hard drive, giving you SSD performance for your most frequently accessed files without having to spend a bunch of time managing what's on which drive.

(CES Hands-on, PDF Product Brief)

In theory, for less than the cost of 120GB SSD, you can get a 64-80GB SSD and a nice HDD (like the Spinpoint F3 1TB, shortstroked if you want to pick things up a bit more), and end up with a C drive large enough to hold Windows, all your programs, and anything else you access often / don't want to put on your media drive, with most of the speed of the SSD.

Just something to consider. Then in a couple years you can probably get a 500GB SSD or something without breaking the bank.

 

[aznshinobi]

Thank you Chnathan for agreeing with my on the smaller SSD.

 

[saturnsown]

New refined build

Comment on new build please.

Antec Lanboy air $189.99

ASUS GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) Overclocked $509.99

SILVERSTONE ST85F-P 850W $149.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) $84.99

ASRock P67 Extreme6 $194.99

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge, COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus COMBO $238.99 <<Is it true the difference between the 2500k and the 2600k is not worth the price difference?

$1,368.93


Not in the build yet....

G. Skill Phoenix Pro 80Gbs $150 <<Will probably go this direction, good size for good price.

Monitor << want good resolution and size. Have barely looked at monitors at all, don't know what companies to look at.

 

[aznshinobi]

I like it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207001&Tpk=xfx%20850

That's a possible PSU revision, I mean same price, but there is a larger MIR

Um I think an Extreme4 would be just as good. It'll save some money and is still pretty good.

 

[saturnsown]

Is it true the difference between the 2500k and the 2600k is not worth the price difference?


And what direction for look for a monitor?

 

[aznshinobi]

Yes, the 2500K is just fine. IF the 2600K is 100% the 2500K is 95% of the 2600K. So the 2500Ｋ　ｉｓ　ｊｕｓｔ　ｆｉｎｅ.　

 

[saturnsown]

Ok...cool I will keep the $100. Not like I am gonna try to crazy overclock.

Ok cosmetic stuff...what are the best monitor companies I should be looking at? Are there any companies out there there that make left handed gaming mice (yes I am serious no I have never found one)

 

[aznshinobi]

Monitors, I like Samsung, LG and Asus. Mostly LG because I have a LED backlit on the edge one. It's probably the nicest monitors for me when it came out. Had 2 HDMI's for my comp and PS3 and was only 200$ (At the time the cheapest 2 HDMI LED Monitor was like 300$. Got it off the egg.

Really though you have to look at it in person to know which quality you like the best. TV wise I like Sony or Samsung, Monitors I like LG. All preference. Acer makes pretty nice ones too.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

 

[saturnsown]

The monitors that have built speakers ever have speakers that are worth plugging in?