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January 24, 2011 2:35:36 AM

This is my 1st build so the more numbers & spec's I look at the more confused I become. Anyway, my main concerns/questions/2nd guessing.... is the cpu, mobo & RAM:

Case & Power Supply --
Antec Sonata III Quiet Super Mid Tower ATX Case (Blk) (includes EarthWatts 500-watt power-supply) - $120.00
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...M/mysuperpc-20
Processor --
Intel Core i7-2600 3.40GHz Quad-Core Desktop Processor - $295.00
http://www.buy.com/prod/intel-core-i...219509813.html
Motherboard --
Intel DH67BL Micro ATX H67 Motherboard, LGA1155 Socket, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0 Gb/s - BOXDH67BL - $103.99
http://www.buy.com/prod/intel-dh67bl...217611513.html
RAM -- [this I’m uncertain about – 10600? 12800?]
4GB kit (2GBx2), Ballistix 240-pin DIMM, DDR3 PC3-10600 memory module
BL2KIT25664BN1337 - $72.99
http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartsp...7987CFA5CA7304
Video Card -- Onboard I think will be adequate(?).
Sound Card -- Onboard I think will be adequate(?).
Hard Drive (1) -- [or maybe 2 in RAID 1 setup]
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200rpm SATA 300 MB/s $87.99
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...A/mysuperpc-20
Flat Panel Monitor --
HP (Hewlett-Packard) Performance ZR24W 24" LCD Monitor 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz - 16:10 - 5 ms - 0.270 mm - 1000:1 - $442.00
Keyboard & Mouse -- Logitech EX 100 (Keyb & Mouse) - $29.99
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...4/mysuperpc-20
Operating System -- Win 7 Home Premium 64-Bit (OR 32 bit ?)

NOTE: Unsure if aftermarket heatsink / CPU Fan / cooler &/or Thermal grease is required.

Mostly used for general PC uses, internet, etc + Photoshop, Music files & editing, burning, etc. This may be too much system for my uses but I'd rather over-do it than under. I may do more in the future......never know!

Thanks for any input!

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January 24, 2011 3:57:41 PM

I can't get any of those links to actually point me to a part. So I'm kind of winging it.

First, don't touch Intel motherboards. They're very low quality. Instead, look at the Gigabyte GA-H67M-D2, Asus P8H67-M LE or ASRock H67M. They're all in that same price range, but are higher quality.

Second, you're paying WAY too much for that RAM. Here's some great sticks at nearly half that cost: G.Skill 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 9. I'd get some 1600 mhz (PC3 12800) with CAS Latency 9, since you're not overclocking.

Third, if you do a lot of Photoshop and video/picture editing, you'd benefit greatly from picking up a discrete nVidia video card. Get something cheap, like the GT 430. If you go this route, switch the board to a P67 chipset (no real price difference, stick to Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock and MSI) and consider the i7-2600K. The P67 will allow you to overclock later, which can greatly increase the CPU's power.

Fourth, I like the Antec case and PSU, but $120 is killing you on the price. Instead, pick up a nice case like the Rosewill Challenger, Rosewill Destroyer, or Antec 300 (or another cheap case you like the looks of)and either the Earthwatts 430W (if you want a small discrete card now or later), Earthwatts 380W (no discrete card), or Earthwatts 500W (if you want a larger discrete card). You'd save at least $20 (500W).

Fifth, that HDD is a poor choice. Instead, grab the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB. It's faster, quieter, runs cooler is about $30 cheaper.

If you only change the RAM and HDD (for two of them), you'd save $80. That'd be enough for a fairly meaty GPU and most of the P67/CPU upgrade.
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January 24, 2011 6:29:12 PM

iam just putting working links:

Antec Sonata III Quiet Super Mid Tower ATX Case (Blk) (includes EarthWatts 500-watt power-supply) - $120.00
http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Sonata-III-500-Quiet/dp/B00...

Intel Core i7-2600 3.40GHz Quad-Core Desktop Processor - $295.00
http://www.buy.com/prod/intel-core-i7-2600-3-40ghz-quad...


Intel DH67BL Micro ATX H67 Motherboard, LGA1155 Socket, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0 Gb/s - BOXDH67BL - $103.99
http://www.buy.com/prod/intel-dh67bl-micro-atx-h67-moth...


4GB kit (2GBx2), Ballistix 240-pin DIMM, DDR3 PC3-10600 memory module
http://www.buy.com/prod/crucial-ballistix-bl2kit25664bn...

Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200rpm SATA 300 MB/s $87.99
http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Desktop-WD...

Keyboard & Mouse -- Logitech EX 100 (Keyb & Mouse) - $29.99
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-920-000879-Cordless-Desk...

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by the way go for the 64 bit, for the best performance, there is no need for aftermarket coller etc. except if you are planning on overclocking.

and you should get a graphics card, at least a 5450, if you are willing to get a descent one get the hd 5770, or the gtx 460.
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January 24, 2011 7:12:45 PM

@rajaawad23
thx for fixing the links! scary, already a screw up just posting!!

@MadAdmiral
i was Intel w/ Intel to ease my worries about incompatibility issues, WD HDD since I have the same (but ext HDD) & avoiding a GPU to save a "step"/less for me to @#*! up.
i had noticed Gigabyte MoBo's seeming more prevalent among those in the know. i'll look into the P67 chipset & the i7-2600K + a GPU. hopefully i can put together a new CPU/MoBo/RAM & GPU combo!

Thanks for the info

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January 24, 2011 7:17:35 PM

Combos aren't usually the best deals. They typically pair one or two good parts with a couple of crappy parts to get rid of excess inventory. RAM, HDDs and PSUs in combos are especially likely to be poor choices.

You're not avoiding any issues going with more parts from the same company. Every Intel (and I mean Intel socket types, like LGA1155, LGA1156 and such) motherboard will work with the related Intel CPU. So sticking with Intel with other parts isn't helping.

Also, an internal HDD and external HDD have no relationship. If you had another of the exact same WD internal HDD, and wanted to run them in a RAID together, then you'd be right in picking the same model. Other than that, it doesn't matter.
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January 24, 2011 11:31:54 PM

MadAdmiral said:
Combos aren't usually the best deals. They typically pair one or two good parts with a couple of crappy parts to get rid of excess inventory. RAM, HDDs and PSUs in combos are especially likely to be poor choices.

Also, an internal HDD and external HDD have no relationship. If you had another of the exact same WD internal HDD, and wanted to run them in a RAID together, then you'd be right in picking the same model. Other than that, it doesn't matter.


no, i meant "put together" a P67 chipset (2600K or otherwise) & a proper Gigabyte Mobo with appropriate RAM as in - each of those (3 parts) that are properly compatible.

as to HDD - my intention was to use the WD 1TB bare drive that i put in an ext enclosure in the new build with a 2nd drive for a RAID 1 setup.

getting a case w/ PSU already in it and a MoBo w/ adequate onboard video i was trying to avoid:
a.) the installation of them
&
b.) the potential of choosing incompatible video card & Mobo.

i like having the option of overclocking in the future as you mentioned & figured i could always add a video card later. trying not to do everything at once as it's already a major undertaking for me. frankly, i will shocked if i can pull it off successfully....but i'm gonna give it a shot.

thanks
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January 25, 2011 1:07:30 AM

new configuration =
GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 ATX Motherboard $129.99
http://www.chiefvalue.com/product/productdetails.aspx?s...

Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

...just need appropriate RAM ....

and the gt 430 is reasonable priced enough.......
SPARKLE SXT4301024S3LNM GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Video Card $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or even this one -
ASUS ENGT430/DI/1GD3(LP) GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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January 25, 2011 1:20:14 AM

Any DDR3 kit with two sticks would work. Since you're interested in overclocking, I'd look at 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 sticks. The only brand I would avoid is OCZ. They're DDR3 sticks are known to be problematic, especially with Intel boards. I would say the best brands for RAM are G.Skill and Corsair. Usually G.Skill is cheaper.

I will point out that with Sandy Bridge, you get either onboard video or overclocking, but not both. The H67chipset allows you to use the i5/i7's integrated graphics, but you can't overclock with the chipset. The P67 allows you to overclock, but doesn't support the integrated graphics.

You don't need to worry about any somewhat current video card being incompatible with any somewhat current motherboard. All motherboards use PCIe 2.0 slots, which happens to be the slot that current video cards use.

The only "compatibility" issue that could possibly arise is once you start considering using a dual video card solution like Crossfire or SLI, and even then, it's minor. First, not all PCIe 2.0 slots run at the same speed. 16x is the highest speed, but the majority of boards only support this speed with a single card. Adding the second card usually restricts the cards to running at 8x/8x. Second, AMD boards don't natively support SLI (nVidia's technology). Intel boards do. Crossfire is natively supported by every chipset.

I get your intentions with the external drive. Just make sure you get the exact same model as what's in the external drive. HDDs need to be exactly the same to use in RAID properly.
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January 25, 2011 2:54:47 AM

i think this should work -

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM $64.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BTW - the 2600K is running about $35 more than the newer 2600 - the only diff i can see is the overclocking ability vs. onboard video (& being "harder" to find. perhaps just marketing?

i will give this a go.

thanks!
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January 25, 2011 11:49:10 AM

Those are the ones I'd go with.

All Sandy Bridge CPUs have integrated graphics. The "K" series is unlocked, which allows them to be overclocked (and overclocked extremely well at that).

The problem with integrated grahpics and overclocking is on the LGA1155 chipsets. The P67 chipset allows overclocking, but not integrated graphics. The H67 allows integrated graphics, but not overclocking. If you're set on not getting a discrete GPU, then you need to buy an H67 board. If you buy an H67 board, don't get the "K" series, as the unlocked multiplier can't be used.
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January 25, 2011 12:13:48 PM

MadAdmiral said:
I can't get any of those links to actually point me to a part. So I'm kind of winging it.

First, don't touch Intel motherboards. They're very low quality. Instead, look at the Gigabyte GA-H67M-D2, Asus P8H67-M LE or ASRock H67M. They're all in that same price range, but are higher quality.

Second, you're paying WAY too much for that RAM. Here's some great sticks at nearly half that cost: G.Skill 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 9. I'd get some 1600 mhz (PC3 12800) with CAS Latency 9, since you're not overclocking.

Third, if you do a lot of Photoshop and video/picture editing, you'd benefit greatly from picking up a discrete nVidia video card. Get something cheap, like the GT 430. If you go this route, switch the board to a P67 chipset (no real price difference, stick to Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock and MSI) and consider the i7-2600K. The P67 will allow you to overclock later, which can greatly increase the CPU's power.

Fourth, I like the Antec case and PSU, but $120 is killing you on the price. Instead, pick up a nice case like the Rosewill Challenger, Rosewill Destroyer, or Antec 300 (or another cheap case you like the looks of)and either the Earthwatts 430W (if you want a small discrete card now or later), Earthwatts 380W (no discrete card), or Earthwatts 500W (if you want a larger discrete card). You'd save at least $20 (500W).

Fifth, that HDD is a poor choice. Instead, grab the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB. It's faster, quieter, runs cooler is about $30 cheaper.

If you only change the RAM and HDD (for two of them), you'd save $80. That'd be enough for a fairly meaty GPU and most of the P67/CPU upgrade.


I agree with everything MadAdmiral has stated. For the price of the Case/PSU combo you could get the Antec 300 Illusion and the Antec EA Green 500w for $120.
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Sub...
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January 25, 2011 12:23:08 PM

forcemarker said:
new configuration =
GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 ATX Motherboard $129.99
http://www.chiefvalue.com/product/productdetails.aspx?s...

Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

...just need appropriate RAM ....

and the gt 430 is reasonable priced enough.......
SPARKLE SXT4301024S3LNM GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Video Card $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or even this one -
ASUS ENGT430/DI/1GD3(LP) GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


What is your budget? Why only a GeForce GT 430? If you could afford it I would at least with a GTS 450.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or this one from Tigerdirect
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite....

If that is still too high I would go for Asus 5670. Either card is better than the GT 430.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 25, 2011 12:23:15 PM

Just to point out, but you can't link to Newegg's shopping cart. You either need to make a public wishlist or link to the combo or parts individually.

Also, the point of the PSU/case recommendation wasn't to get the same total price. It was to get something cheaper or more specialized. The Sonata isn't a bad case. It was designed to be a quiet, unassuming looking case. The only issue is that it doesn't have much cooling (1 fan), which isn't a big problem if you're not overclocking or not using a massive GPU.

Why only the GT 430? Because it's cheap and it'd run really cool and quiet. I wouldn't touch the GTS 450, espeically considering you can find GTX 460s for the same price (or less). I wouldn't even consider getting an AMD/ATI card, as the OP is using Photoshop. A nVidia card would be much more powerful than any AMD/ATI card. The only thing the 5670 would be good for is playing movies, and Sandy Bridge's intergrated graphics would be good enough for that. Why pay extra for something that doesn't actually improve performance?
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January 25, 2011 12:29:55 PM

MadAdmiral said:
Just to point out, but you can't link to Newegg's shopping cart. You either need to make a public wishlist or link to the combo or parts individually.

Also, the point of the PSU/case recommendation wasn't to get the same total price. It was to get something cheaper or more specialized. The Sonata isn't a bad case. It was designed to be a quiet, unassuming looking case. The only issue is that it doesn't have much cooling (1 fan), which isn't a big problem if you're not overclocking or not using a massive GPU.


Hmm, Are you sure on the secure link, I just clicked on it and it worked. As for the case yeah that was my point (the fans) but if it's not needed I agree with you.
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January 25, 2011 1:01:27 PM

I'm 100% positive. Linking to the Shopping Cart take you to YOUR shopping cart. You can see it, but no one else can. So you may have put the Antec 300 Illusion and the Earthwatts PSU in your cart, so when you go back to it, you can see it. However, I didn't put them in my cart, so I can't see them.
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January 25, 2011 5:28:50 PM

Yes the link to your cart can't be seen by me either (but thanks for the advice!). As to GPU - I have no problem buying a separate one in "exchange" for having the option of overclocking in the future. I know zilch about them so just want to be as economical as possible (i.e., not buy a $150-200 card when a $50 will be adequate). Not gaming or watching movies more Photoshop & possibly video editing at some point.

As to the case - clearly i didn't shop around enough on that. If I can find another case I like & PSU significantly cheaper then I definitely will.

As to RAM - in reality 2GB total would prob'ly be enough I wouldn't mind "over-doing" it a bit. If best to install in pairs & the MoBo's max being 32GB I thought maybe 2 8GB sticks so if wanted to max out in the future, add 2 more 8GB sticks. I don't know if that makes sense or not......
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January 25, 2011 6:06:28 PM

I wouldn't get any less than 4 GB unless you really can't afford it. They don't make 8 GB sticks right now. Or at least they're not readily available to consumers.
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January 25, 2011 6:24:20 PM

MadAdmiral said:
I'm 100% positive. Linking to the Shopping Cart take you to YOUR shopping cart. You can see it, but no one else can. So you may have put the Antec 300 Illusion and the Earthwatts PSU in your cart, so when you go back to it, you can see it. However, I didn't put them in my cart, so I can't see them.


Thanks MadAdmiral, I didn't know that.
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January 25, 2011 6:43:17 PM

forcemarker said:
Yes the link to your cart can't be seen by me either (but thanks for the advice!). As to GPU - I have no problem buying a separate one in "exchange" for having the option of overclocking in the future. I know zilch about them so just want to be as economical as possible (i.e., not buy a $150-200 card when a $50 will be adequate). Not gaming or watching movies more Photoshop & possibly video editing at some point.

As to the case - clearly i didn't shop around enough on that. If I can find another case I like & PSU significantly cheaper then I definitely will.

As to RAM - in reality 2GB total would prob'ly be enough I wouldn't mind "over-doing" it a bit. If best to install in pairs & the MoBo's max being 32GB I thought maybe 2 8GB sticks so if wanted to max out in the future, add 2 more 8GB sticks. I don't know if that makes sense or not......


I see your point. Well this the case and power supply I tried to link.
Antec 300 Illusion $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec EA Green 500W $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or the Antec 300 $59.95 + EA 500w $49.99

Hope this helps.
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January 25, 2011 6:56:25 PM

MadAdmiral said:
Just to point out, but you can't link to Newegg's shopping cart. You either need to make a public wishlist or link to the combo or parts individually.

Also, the point of the PSU/case recommendation wasn't to get the same total price. It was to get something cheaper or more specialized. The Sonata isn't a bad case. It was designed to be a quiet, unassuming looking case. The only issue is that it doesn't have much cooling (1 fan), which isn't a big problem if you're not overclocking or not using a massive GPU.

Why only the GT 430? Because it's cheap and it'd run really cool and quiet. I wouldn't touch the GTS 450, espeically considering you can find GTX 460s for the same price (or less). I wouldn't even consider getting an AMD/ATI card, as the OP is using Photoshop. A nVidia card would be much more powerful than any AMD/ATI card. The only thing the 5670 would be good for is playing movies, and Sandy Bridge's intergrated graphics would be good enough for that. Why pay extra for something that doesn't actually improve performance?


Sorry, I was thinking more for gaming. Also you will NOT find a GTX 460 for cheaper that the GTS 450 I listed.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 25, 2011 7:05:13 PM

Yes, you will: GTX 460 768 MB $105 after rebate. That might be a little hamstrung, but you can find other 768 MB 460s within $10-20 of that 450. The cheapest GTX 460 1 GB is only $140. I can't justify NOT spending the extra few bucks for a 460...
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January 25, 2011 7:45:36 PM

MadAdmiral said:
Yes, you will: GTX 460 768 MB $105 after rebate. That might be a little hamstrung, but you can find other 768 MB 460s within $10-20 of that 450. The cheapest GTX 460 1 GB is only $140. I can't justify NOT spending the extra few bucks for a 460...



I see your point. But if they have budget restraints the GTS 450 would be good upgrade over the GT 430 for photoshop and video editing. And the GTS 450 is a supported nVidia cards for CUDA enhanced performance in Photoshop CS5.

For $129 with a $25rebate ($104) this is a inexpensive upgrade to the GT 430. I am not trying to say the GTX 460 wouldn't be worth it. But if the user is on a budget this wouldn't be a bad card to consider. If they wish to stick with the 430 that is fine as well. Just wanted to offer an alternative.
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January 26, 2011 10:53:18 PM

i'm not opposed to going for the Asus GTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/768MD5.

Or the MSI GeForce GTX 460 PCIE 2.0 x16 - 1 GB GDDR5 2560x1600 SLI - whichevers better.

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As to case & PSU I think this:
Cooler Master Elite 310 Chassis Mid-tower - 11 Bays for $40
and -
Antec EarthWatts EA 750 ATX12V Power Supply 750W for $77
[which doesn't save any $ over the Antec Sonata III Quiet Super Mid Tower ATX Case (including EarthWatts 500-watt power-supply) but I get a bit more power for future use.]

My costs keep ticking up but I think I'd rather err on the side of "too much" over "too little."
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January 26, 2011 11:01:40 PM

You can get a better case for the same money. The Rosewill Destroyer is only $40 with promo code, and it's got a lot more cooling (3 120mm fans vs. 1). It also looks better in my opinion.

You could drop down to a 650W and still be good even after SLI. The newer cards don't use a lot of power.
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January 27, 2011 1:00:52 AM

MadAdmiral said:
You can get a better case for the same money. The Rosewill Destroyer is only $40 with promo code, and it's got a lot more cooling (3 120mm fans vs. 1). It also looks better in my opinion.

You could drop down to a 650W and still be good even after SLI. The newer cards don't use a lot of power.


I agree with MadAdmiral, I would go with a 650W. Antec has the EA 650W back in stock
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 27, 2011 6:12:21 AM

i think i will go w/ the Antec EA 650W.

does the GA-P67A-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 ATX Motherboard require an Ethernet Network Adapter Card? i can't tell from looking at it or searching around online. i'll need 2 CAT-5 cable connections.
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January 27, 2011 10:38:56 AM

No current board requires a network card. They all have integrated LAN. The UD3 has a Realtek 8111E, which is a single gigabit connection. If you absolutely need two connections, you're going to end up paying a lot more. The cheapest board I can find that has a dual LAN is the ASRock P67 Extreme6 for $195.
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January 28, 2011 6:35:21 AM

MadAdmiral said:
No current board requires a network card. They all have integrated LAN. The UD3 has a Realtek 8111E, which is a single gigabit connection. If you absolutely need two connections, you're going to end up paying a lot more. The cheapest board I can find that has a dual LAN is the ASRock P67 Extreme6 for $195.


youchh.......well, it's not imperative. cable internet for that then & i will figure something else if possible for the other purpose.

thanks for the helpful info!
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January 31, 2011 10:37:58 PM

Good thing I haven't moved quicker on this new system given the current Sandy Bridge problem!! The only problem now is whether to wait weeks or perhaps months for it to sort out OR figure out an entirely different Mobo/CPU combination. :fou:  aaargh
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January 31, 2011 11:07:04 PM

It depends on how bad you want the Sandy Bridge system. An AMD build suits my needs. Especially since I am not an enthusiast or hard core gamer. ;) 
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January 31, 2011 11:43:29 PM

Well I'm hardly knowledgeable enough to know. I had just read/studied up on this MoBo & CPU so felt (semi-) confident in it as a good choice & being about as up-to-date as possible. TOO up-to-date apparently!

SOOOO.....my entire build is a clusterf@#k now..... :( 
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May 15, 2012 3:21:17 PM

Intel DH67BL dont have vga ide and ps2
have 8 usb , eSata , dvi-i , hdmi , s/pdif so choose which to buy
i need dvi-i to vga converter bought new usb keyboard coz ps2 to usb converter dont work in game properly and new dvd writer so f@#king hell experience wont buy intel products again in my life
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May 25, 2012 9:14:53 PM

i decided to wait for Ivy Bridge to build a system but haven't gotten to it yet. Thanks for the advice anyway!
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