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November 28, 2010 6:07:04 PM

I'm looking to buy a new GPU with CUDA technology because right now i have a 9800GT and the new cards are coming into my price range.

I'm definitely set on either the 250 or the 450 but there are a few questions I have.

GTS250:
CUDA Cores: 128
Graphics Clock: 738 MHz
Processor Clock: 1836 MHz
Texture Fill Rate: 47.2 billion/sec
Memory Clock: 1100Mhz
Standard Memory: 512MB or 1 GB GDDR3
Memory Interface Width: 256-bit
Memory Bandwidth: 70.4 GB/sec

GTS450:
CUDA Cores: 192
Graphics Clock: 783 MHz
Processor Clock: 1566 MHz
Texture Fill Rate: 25.1 billion/sec
Memory Clock: 1804Mhz
Standard Memory: 1 GB GDDR5
Memory Interface Width: 128-bit
Memory Bandwidth: 57.7 GB/sec

As you can see, the 250 has a substantially higher texture fill rate and memory bandwidth, but the 450 rises above it with its 192 CUDA cores as well as better memory technology with the GDDR5. Also the 250 uses 256 bit memory interface while the 450 only uses 128 bit.

Before i make a decision in buying anything i want to know which of these factors out weigh the others.

Thanks

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November 28, 2010 6:12:58 PM

The GTS450 and GTS250 are very similar in performance. To be honest you're better off upgrading to an HD5770.
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November 28, 2010 6:34:00 PM

Hi,
A 250 and a 450 are certainly not very similar, take a look at this http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTS_450...
The review is of one of the fastest 450's you can get, you will see the stock 450 highlighted in the review as well. Compair performance between the 250/450 and 5770 VS your pricing where you are and see what makes more sense.

Mactronix :) 
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November 28, 2010 7:01:17 PM

http://www.guruht.com/2010/09/geforce-gts-450-vs-hd-575...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gts-450-gf1...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3909/nvidias-geforce-gts-...
Those 3 reviews place the GTS450 at HD5750's level. Sometimes above, sometimes below. ASUS GTS450 is $140 off of Newegg; the HD5770 is $110. The HD5770 also is known to hit over 1kcore/1.2kmem with MSI's version.


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November 28, 2010 7:32:34 PM

If you want CUDA Technology - go for the GTS 450. The 250 has 256-bit memory inferface width because of DD3. The 450's DDR5 is twice as fast as DD3, therefore - 128-bit. You don't need any more.
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November 28, 2010 7:36:56 PM

shadow187 said:

Those 3 reviews place the GTS450 at HD5750's level. Sometimes above, sometimes below. ASUS GTS450 is $140 off of Newegg; the HD5770 is $110. The HD5770 also is known to hit over 1kcore/1.2kmem with MSI's version.


not sure why he picked a random gts450, the cheapest on newegg is $114.99 plus theres a $20 rebate available. the cheapest HD5770 is $134.99 with a $20 rebate available. maybe he was talking about the HD5750, the cheapest on newegg is $104.99 with a $15 rebate available.
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November 28, 2010 7:40:45 PM

Because mac was talking about the ASUS GTS450..whereas the HD5770 that, if OC'd a bit, can easily match it, is cheaper. I used $110 because there was one for that price yesterday.
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November 28, 2010 7:42:03 PM

Way to cherry pick prices :pfff:  were dealing with peoples hard earnt cash here so at least make the info correct please. I dont care which side gets bought so long as the op gets something that meets his needs.

This card here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... is not $ 140 now is it the cheapest decently clocked 450 is £114.
A review for it is here, http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=997&type=expert&pi...


@ peskoly,
As i said just read the reviews and decide based on price and what your needs are which card is best for you.

Mactronix :) 
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November 28, 2010 7:44:17 PM

mactronix said:
Way to cherry pick prices :pfff:  were dealing with peoples hard earnt cash here so at least make the info correct please. I dont care which side gets bought so long as the op gets something that meets his needs.

This card here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... is not $ 140 now is it the cheapest decently clocked 450 is £114.
A review for it is here, http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=997&type=expert&pi...


@ peskoly,
As i said just read the reviews and decide based on price and what your needs are which card is best for you.

Mactronix :) 


You give me a review for the GTS450 TOP from Asus. I respond saying that that $140 OC'd card competes with a $110 ($115, sorry) card.. Then you tell me I'm cherrypicking prices? That makes no sense.

Galaxy's Super OC card usually beats the 5770 but sometimes matches it. If you OC'd a standard 5770 then they'd probably be equal.
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3511/galaxy_geforce_gt...

Has the card matching the 5770 more often than not. If OP Oc'd the HD5770, without adjusting voltages, the 5770 would take a lead.
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November 28, 2010 7:45:34 PM

honestly, either of those cards is not that much faster than your current 9800gt. The 5770 would be a more worthwhile upgrade. If you have a decent PSU and 2 pcie slots you can use your 9800gt with it for the few physx gpu accellerated games around. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics...
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November 28, 2010 7:56:59 PM

shadow187 said:
You give me a review for the GTS450 TOP from Asus. I respond saying that that $140 OC'd card competes with a $110 ($115, sorry) card.. Then you tell me I'm cherrypicking prices? That makes no sense.


No i didnt give you a review at all i posted it to the OP so he could see what was available, i also pointed out the review was of a faster than stock card and that the stock numbers were included.
2 of your links didnt even include the Top and the one that did opened on one of the worst results for the card in the whole review, coincidence ? :whistle: 

So nobody actually specified any card you just assumed as much.

Mactronix :) 
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November 28, 2010 8:04:41 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
honestly, either of those cards is not that much faster than your current 9800gt. The 5770 would be a more worthwhile upgrade. If you have a decent PSU and 2 pcie slots you can use your 9800gt with it for the few physx gpu accellerated games around. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics...



The 450 and thus the 5770 as well is Minimum 16% (stock 450) faster and when normalised for all resolutions its 33%(5770 and oced 450).

Mactronix :) 
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November 28, 2010 8:14:02 PM

Irritation..is rising.

In my own words. "The GTS450 and GTS250 are very similar."
What you respond with. "A 250 and a 450 are certainly not very similar."
You use an OC'd higher-priced card to disprove my statement, along with a link to a review. Yes, you did give me a review because you quoted me and directly contradicted my statement.
I then give you three reviews of the stock GTS450, proving that it competes with the HD5750 (which is similar to the GTS250). I was backing up my statement before, and disproving your "GTS450 and GTS250 are not very similar" contradiction.
You tell me I'm cherrypicking prices, and you switch to the SOC card, giving..a price in Euros? It's $110 USD A-R.
I post another review of the SOC GTS450 from Tweaktown (which has a higher variety of games), claiming the SOC GTS450 "matches the 5770 more often than not."

Also, ASUS's CuCore HD5770 ($120 A-R) will overclock similar to MSI's HAWK ($140), beating the GTS450 SOC easily.

Since you're very concerned with giving him the best card for his hard-earned cash, why not point out that the choices.
A- Go with a GTS450 that offers performance X for around $95.
B- Go with a factory overclock GTS450 that offers performance X+20 for $110.
C- Go with an HD5770 that offers performance X+17* for $115.
D- Go with highly overclockable HD5770 that can** offer performance X+30 for $120.

*Cheapest HD5770 is slightly overclocked. Stock ~= +15
**Willingness to OC.
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November 28, 2010 8:16:20 PM

Guys quit recommending ATI cards, he clearly stated he wants a card for CUDA, which is limited to Nvidia.

Go with the GTS 450, the GTS 250 won't be much of an upgrade over your current 9800GT, as it's essentially just a rebadge of the same card.
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November 28, 2010 8:19:41 PM

loneninja said:
Guys quit recommending ATI cards, he clearly stated he wants a card for CUDA, which is limited to Nvidia.

Go with the GTS 450, the GTS 250 won't be much of an upgrade over your current 9800GT, as it's essentially just a rebadge of the same card.

No It's an 8800GTS/9800GTX not a GT.
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November 28, 2010 8:23:33 PM

loneninja said:
Guys quit recommending ATI cards, he clearly stated he wants a card for CUDA, which is limited to Nvidia.

Didn't see that, actually.

Then if you need a CUDA card I'd look more towards a GTX460 768Mb or similar. 9800GT -> GTS450 isn't extremely great, though it will be noticeable.


*Not sure how well this chart compares with scaling in CUDA-powered applications.
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November 28, 2010 8:24:11 PM

GTS 250 is a rebranded 9800GTX+ I think, not 9800GTX. Am I wrong?
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November 28, 2010 8:25:33 PM

People should read first, and only answer when they understand what is being asked... Go for the GTS 450, as I said a few posts back.
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November 28, 2010 8:31:42 PM

tigrc said:
GTS 250 is a rebranded 9800GTX+ I think, not 9800GTX. Am I wrong?

The 9800GTX is an 8800GTS but with hybrid power, the 9800GTX+ was supposed to only be the 55nm GPU's but AIB's didn't play ball on that and so quite a few GTX+'s have 65nm GPU's. Simply put an 8800GTS, 9800GTX and 9800GTX+ all have 128 cores and apart from a BIOS difference are all the same card.
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November 28, 2010 8:35:31 PM

shadow187 said:
Irritation..is rising.

In my own words. "The GTS450 and GTS250 are very similar."
What you respond with. "A 250 and a 450 are certainly not very similar."
You use an OC'd higher-priced card to disprove my statement, along with a link to a review. Yes, you did give me a review because you quoted me and directly contradicted my statement.
I then give you three reviews of the stock GTS450, proving that it competes with the HD5750 (which is similar to the GTS250). I was backing up my statement before, and disproving your "GTS450 and GTS250 are not very similar" contradiction.
You tell me I'm cherrypicking prices, and you switch to the SOC card, giving..a price in Euros? It's $110 USD A-R.
I post another review of the SOC GTS450 from Tweaktown (which has a higher variety of games), claiming the SOC GTS450 "matches the 5770 more often than not."

Also, ASUS's CuCore HD5770 ($120 A-R) will overclock similar to MSI's HAWK ($140), beating the GTS450 SOC easily.

Since you're very concerned with giving him the best card for his hard-earned cash, why not point out that the choices.
A- Go with a GTS450 that offers performance X for around $95.
B- Go with a factory overclock GTS450 that offers performance X+20 for $110.
C- Go with an HD5770 that offers performance X+17* for $115.
D- Go with highly overclockable HD5770 that can** offer performance X+30 for $120.

*Cheapest HD5770 is slightly overclocked. Stock ~= +15
**Willingness to OC.




I never used quotation marks and didn't reply to you as i am doing now, just because im contradicting what you are saying doesn't mean its directed at you.
It wasn't just me that noticed you pricings being off either was it.
Your trying to claim its all about the "Top" card because i used its review. Again i pointed out as much at the time and if you bother to go look the standard 450 comes out at 10% faster than the 250 anyway which takes the "Top " out of the equation.
Then while claiming its all about the "Top" you link 2 out of 3 reviews without the card even included ??
I posted the SOC card to show the OP what was actually available for actual prices, real ones, and disprove your pricing claims.
The additional review was also for the OPS benefit.
Does anyone else see the New egg link in Euros ? When i open it its in $ last time i looked that was not Euros

As i said before i don't really care one way or another, its nice to give the option but the OP didn't ask for options.
Which is best was the question and the answer is the 450

Mactronix :) 
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November 28, 2010 8:44:03 PM

Mousemonkey said:
The 9800GTX is an 8800GTS but with hybrid power, the 9800GTX+ was supposed to only be the 55nm GPU's but AIB's didn't play ball on that and so quite a few GTX+'s have 65nm GPU's. Simply put an 8800GTS, 9800GTX and 9800GTX+ all have 128 cores and apart from a BIOS difference are all the same card.


Thanks for clarifying again :) 
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November 28, 2010 8:52:56 PM

tigrc said:
Thanks for clarifying again :) 

No problem, just remember that a GTS20 will SLi with a 9800GTX/+ so long as the RAM amounts are the same but a 9800GTX/+ or a GTS250 will not SLi with an 8800GTS even though they are are all effectively the same card.
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November 28, 2010 8:57:34 PM

Hmm, but 2x8800GTS SLi, right?
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November 28, 2010 9:00:08 PM

tigrc said:
Hmm, but 2x8800GTS SLi, right?

Yes they do.
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November 29, 2010 2:37:56 AM

Seeing as he wants CUDA I'd ignore the GTS250. Sure its about the same as a stock GTS450, but 450 is based off of fermi so the CUDA abilities are better. I agree that the GTX460 (even in 768MB form) is a better option but they tend to cost a bit more. Unless the GTS450 is much more then the GTS250, I'd get it.
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November 29, 2010 6:11:20 AM

what the OP needs to ask himself is...why do you need CUDA technology? What are you actually trying to do with the card? Gaming at XXXX by YYYY resolution? or CUDA accellerated applications? that will determine what card is best.
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November 29, 2010 7:03:05 AM

There's nothing wrong with the GTS 450, a solid performer with OC ability. If you want it for CUDA, it can do that with style. There are other Nvidia cards that do it better, but you just have to ask yourself what kind of price you're willing to pay.

If you're looking for gaming performance, the GTS 250 and 450 look roughly similar, as for video encoding or other tasks such as that it's not really my area. It depends on what you want to do!
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November 29, 2010 11:56:05 PM

Wow. I want to upgrade my video card already.
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November 30, 2010 4:40:22 AM

Price range is about $100-$120

Use: gaming at 1680x1050 with max settings
Oblivion
Fallout New Vegas
L4D2
Hopefully even Battlefield Bad Company 2
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November 30, 2010 5:14:48 AM

Peskoly said:
Price range is about $100-$120

Use: gaming at 1680x1050 with max settings
Oblivion
Fallout New Vegas
L4D2
Hopefully even Battlefield Bad Company 2



You cant max those games at that resolution with a stock gts 250, except l4d2 probably (assuming we're talking of >50fps here). I own one, the 512mb version, and it barely maxxes out nba 2k11 in 1440x900. In crysis i could just set it to gamer settings (not enthusiast) with 2xmsaa with average of 40 or less fps.

for 1680x1050 get the 5770 or gtx 460 768mb.
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November 30, 2010 6:07:05 AM

peskoly, just a note here. All those above who recommend the 5770 are not taking into account the fact that it performs about the same as a GTS 450. It makes no sense to me to say forget card A but I recommend card same-performance-as-A. In that case, chose whichever is cheaper really.
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December 1, 2010 3:50:03 AM

I think im going to wait off for a new card because it seems like soon the 460GTX cards will come down into my price range. thanks for all the help guys
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December 1, 2010 5:42:10 AM

plastichairball said:
peskoly, just a note here. All those above who recommend the 5770 are not taking into account the fact that it performs about the same as a GTS 450. It makes no sense to me to say forget card A but I recommend card same-performance-as-A. In that case, chose whichever is cheaper really.

you know no i didnt take that into account, because what your saying is completely wrong. the 5750 is a better comparison to a stock gts450, the 5770 is faster than the gts450 in any game that is not nvidia biased.
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December 1, 2010 5:44:44 AM

A stock GTS450 will lose to a 5770. A heavily OC'd GTS450 performs nearly the same as a 5770, but just OC the 5770 to regain the lead.

The 768MB GTX460s have been on sale for the holiday season at around $140. (after rebate of course) This is around the price of the 5770, so perhaps you can find one of these? Here is an eVGA one for $140 after a $20 rebate and counting shipping.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 1, 2010 8:08:33 AM

iam2thecrowe said:
you know no i didnt take that into account, because what your saying is completely wrong. the 5750 is a better comparison to a stock gts450, the 5770 is faster than the gts450 in any game that is not nvidia biased.


Easy there son, I'm just going on facts. The 5770 indeed is a tad bit faster than a 450, but since a 450 is woefully under-clocked it doesn't really mean anything to say "at stock". All 450's OC to 900/1800/2000 out of the box. It seems to me (although I may be wrong) that THAT is the proper specs of the cards.

Still, OC the 5770 and it gains a little lead again. But it really useful to anyone to say "Don't compare the two" when one beats the other by 5 or so frames, and even then not consistently? I think if anyone got a 450 or a 5770 I'd challenge them to see the difference.
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December 1, 2010 10:29:15 AM

4745454b said:
A stock GTS450 will lose to a 5770. A heavily OC'd GTS450 performs nearly the same as a 5770, but just OC the 5770 to regain the lead.

The 768MB GTX460s have been on sale for the holiday season at around $140. (after rebate of course) This is around the price of the 5770, so perhaps you can find one of these? Here is an eVGA one for $140 after a $20 rebate and counting shipping.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


the EVGA gtx 460 1gb version is also the same price as what you stated. the link you have says the price is $169 with no rebate so the 1gb version is actually cheaper. unfortunately, the low price of the 768mb version is no longer on newegg. cheapest now is $159.99, the same price as the evga 1gb version.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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December 1, 2010 10:42:22 AM

Wow, that expired fast. Links change and expire, so sometimes you need to hop on them quick. If you can get the 1GB version for the same price however, at least its a good thing this time.
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December 1, 2010 1:20:37 PM

of mentioned i'd go gtx 450 for cuda but yea the gtx 460 even 768 meg would be better... that said the 450 is an awsome card, i just bought the asus gtx 450 top cu the cooler is awseome and its factory overclocked high enough with a 3 year warrenty to work just fine with my athlon II 640 (95w)

really before i can answer if you'd really want to go above a gtx 450 i'd wanna see the rest of your specs ie PSU , CPU, MoBo, Ram , also how good is the ventilation in your case and would you eventually try sli or no? if so how long before you are planning this . to many data holes to give you a fully informed answer
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December 1, 2010 1:27:43 PM

Buying a GTS450 and expecting to be doing any sort of high ress or high settings gaming for most modern games isn't going to work out well. Going with a 5770 isn't going to be the best thing you can buy with your money so if you can scrape up enough cash I suggest a GTX 460 even if it is the 768mb version. If you go with ATI be ready to live with driver issues and with Nvidia you might not get the best performance but at least they are stable in 98% of the games out there.
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December 1, 2010 1:44:09 PM

normally i agree with nforce. and what he's saying above makes sence but you can get a gtx 580 but if you have a old single or dual core cpu it might not perform any better than your 9800gt
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December 1, 2010 1:53:19 PM

Sure but not even I got $500-600 to burn, all I got is two 9800gt, gtx 460, a repaired 8800gtx, and a 3870 along with a few other collectibles. He can get by on a dual core with a GTX460 so long that it is close to or higher than 3ghz and the same goes for any other card suggested here except for the GTX580. Plus the GTX580 is rare at this time with supplies are limited for what ever reason that might be however a lot of us are fairly poor and living off student loans :/ 
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December 1, 2010 2:24:55 PM

I think what g00fysmiley is saying is quite well thought out.

To the OP: Your final decision is going to be based entirely on the age of your system as to whether you'll see a difference in performance. A weak CPU will hold back the potential of a powerful GPU.

Having said that, if you get a really great GPU such as a GTX 460 then you can carry that forward into a future system upgrade and see its true potential unleashed. If I were in your position I'd consider at least a GTS 450 that has been factory OC'd, as that's going to give you a very good performance boost over your current card. Preferably though, go for a GTX 460 or higher (budget allowing) or their ATI equivalent as you can take them forward into an upgrade as stated previously.

Don't listen to people who say the 450 is not good for high res gaming. All I know is what I can see from my own experience, and I crank up every game I have to max on my monitor's native resolution (1900x1080) and enjoy amazing visuals and super smooth gameplay. I can only speak from my own experience here.
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December 1, 2010 10:52:31 PM

Proc: Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 @ 2.97ghz
RAM: 3 GB Corsair DDR2 XMS PC6400
PSU: Coolermaster 500W, it should be sufficient for one card at least
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December 1, 2010 11:43:13 PM

I'd say gts 450 would be a good match, i actually just bought this one , was $120 on sale when i got it, but great aftermarket cooler and high factory overclock

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the 450 will be alot faster than your 9800gt

and fermi will be much better for cuda than the 250 as well, if you can get the asus the overclock is awesome and for about a $10 premium worth it

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTS_450...

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...


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can't believe i forgot the tom's review >_<

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gts-450-ove...
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