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November 29, 2010 10:20:51 PM

Hi, firstly I'm going to write my system here:

Athlon II X2 240 CPU
2 x 1 GB DDR2 RAM
2 x 140mm normal fan or 1x 140mm and 1x120mm (I'm not sure.)
1 x HDD (Samsung 320GB)
No any external/internal devices except keyboard,dvd-rw and printer.

Here is my power supplies specs:

It said that it will give maximum 550w, brand is Xilence.

+3.3V 24A
+5V 15A
+12V1 17A
+12V2 14A
-12V 0.3A
+5VSB 2.5A

What is my point of buying a new card:

I'm not a overclock frenzy. I don't use my card for overclocking. I need low power consumer cards because of I don't know anything about this power supply (How much power it can give to me?). I use it for gaming, but not in high visual effects and details. Medium is enough for me and details also in medium. Probably looking for current games may for future games. I use 19 inch Asus LCD monitor. I'm not a fan boy of ATI or nVidia.
For budget, I must stay under $100. Lower is better for me.

Thanks for your helps.
a c 376 U Graphics card
November 30, 2010 5:58:56 AM

That low profile GTS 250 is severely underclocked. I wouldn't recommend it. This one is $17 cheaper and clocked 138mhz higher;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I would recommend stretching the budget slightly however. Either of these are just over $100(under after rebate) and better choices;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Both are faster, DX11 compatible and use less power than the GTS 250 which is good considering your PSU is a bit sketchy. The free flash drive is a nice bonus on the HD5750 and it uses a mere 60w during normal gaming while the GTS 450 is about 10% faster and only $80 after the rebate.
Here's a chart with the relative performance of these cards at a resolution similar to yours.

The GTS 450 I linked is clocked slightly higher than the card listed in green in the chart so add a percent or 3.
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a c 169 U Graphics card
November 30, 2010 6:30:35 AM

the 5750 or 5770 should be ok on that psu, they are quite low power, the gts450 uses a bit more power. Although with that CPU you may be bottlenecked so maybe a 5670 would be the best option and uses even less power.
a c 376 U Graphics card
November 30, 2010 6:44:59 AM

During normal gaming the HD5750 uses 60w, the HD5770 uses 70w and the GTS 450 uses 80w. They should all be ok even on a poor 550w PSU. The processor may limit these cards in a few games but not much and not at all in most. Considering an HD5670 is still $80 I think these cards are definitely worth the extra $20-30 IMO considering they are about 50% faster.
a c 155 U Graphics card
November 30, 2010 7:14:29 AM

Synergetic said:

I'm not a overclock frenzy. I don't use my card for overclocking. I need low power consumer cards because of I don't know anything about this power supply (How much power it can give to me?). I use it for gaming, but not in high visual effects and details. Medium is enough for me and details also in medium. Probably looking for current games may for future games. I use 19 inch Asus LCD monitor. I'm not a fan boy of ATI or nVidia.
For budget, I must stay under $100. Lower is better for me.
Thanks for your helps.

It's really a shame you took so long. The ATi Radeon HD 4870 was selling for $99.99 after rebate at newegg for the last 2 months. They're all sold out now unfortunately.
a c 376 U Graphics card
November 30, 2010 7:20:05 AM

Great deal but an HD4870 on that PSU would be an experiment I wouldn't want to try on my computer.
a c 155 U Graphics card
November 30, 2010 7:22:25 AM

jyjjy said:
Great deal but an HD4870 on that PSU would be an experiment I wouldn't want to try on my computer.

Actually, it just got better. Tiger Direct is selling them for $120 before rebate and $90 after rebate with a free copy of assassin's creed included. It might be worth it.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2010 7:42:51 AM

jyjjy said:
Great deal but an HD4870 on that PSU would be an experiment I wouldn't want to try on my computer.


Seconded. The 4870 is a relatively power hungry card. I'm running a GTS 450 off a 400W PSU and it's loving life. I wouldn't hook a 4870 up to that though.
November 30, 2010 10:16:35 AM

Thanks all. I read them carefully and I want to know something clearly. That power supply how much power it can give me? Is that so poor?

As for your suggestions; nVidia cards is good option in gaming I know but price is considering me much more. HD5670, I read many reviews about it. Its performance a little poor.I know my power supply is a poor one so it is restrict me, so that I ignore GTS 450. My choice was Zotac GTS 250 Eco when I started this topic. HD5750 and GTS 250 Eco as the same price in here. I doubt again. For price things please add %10 much more bucks to Newegg's prices because I live in Europe and Newegg don't ship here. Prices are like this:

Sapphire HD5750 1 GB is 120 $, Zotac GTS 250 Eco is 120 $, HD5670 isn't in stocks, Sapphire/Asus HD4670 1 GB is 80 $, Palit GT 240 isn't in stocks but price is Palit GT 240 512MB DDR5 85 $, Palit GT 240 1 GB DDR5 100 $, Palit GT 240 1 GB DDR3 90 $.


For my CPU what is relationship between my CPU and graphic cards? Could you explain it much more?
a b U Graphics card
November 30, 2010 10:50:08 AM

Synergetic: Your power supply isn't TERRIBLE, but it's not amazing either. If I had your PSU I'd feel safest going with a card that wasn't too power hungry.

The 5670 isn't so bad! It will perform well depending on what resolution you want to game on. If you want to play at 1440 x 900 or somewhere around there with medium to high settings in some games then the 5670 won't disappoint! Yes, it's slower compared to a GTS 250, but not by a HUGE amount on a smaller monitor! Something worth bearing in mind.

If I had your system, I'd consider a 4850, GTS 250 or a 5670. All good cards! From the prices you quoted above, the 5750 looks like the best. Check to make sure it can run on your PSU, and if it does then it would be a worthwhile purchase.

As for the relationship between CPU and graphics card, the two (this is very basic) need to work with each other for best effect. It would be pointless to get a graphics card that would be so powerful that the CPU couldn't keep up with it. The card would work, but it wouldn't be at its full potential.
November 30, 2010 5:11:50 PM

plastichairball said:
Synergetic: Your power supply isn't TERRIBLE, but it's not amazing either. If I had your PSU I'd feel safest going with a card that wasn't too power hungry.

The 5670 isn't so bad! It will perform well depending on what resolution you want to game on. If you want to play at 1440 x 900 or somewhere around there with medium to high settings in some games then the 5670 won't disappoint! Yes, it's slower compared to a GTS 250, but not by a HUGE amount on a smaller monitor! Something worth bearing in mind.

If I had your system, I'd consider a 4850, GTS 250 or a 5670. All good cards! From the prices you quoted above, the 5750 looks like the best. Check to make sure it can run on your PSU, and if it does then it would be a worthwhile purchase.

As for the relationship between CPU and graphics card, the two (this is very basic) need to work with each other for best effect. It would be pointless to get a graphics card that would be so powerful that the CPU couldn't keep up with it. The card would work, but it wouldn't be at its full potential.


You catch my point easily. My current power supply can handle the cards in statitcs. But I don't trust it so I want to buy a card which is spend little power. Zotac's ECO certificied cards in my point range also HD5750. I told it before I'm not a person want to play games in high qualities and high details. I'm going to play them in 1280x1024.

I understand realitionship between CPU and GPU. My motherboard is MA785D-M Pro, is HD5750 suitable with my motherboard? Should I need any extra device, cable or anything else for HD5750 graphic card?
a c 376 U Graphics card
November 30, 2010 9:55:07 PM

The HD5750 is very low power and will work easily on your power supply and the rest of your system. It will actually allow you to max out the settings in most games at your resolution. If you are really ok with medium settings then even the HD4670 will do but I do think the HD5750 is worth the extra money if you can afford it.
Where do you live exactly?
a b U Graphics card
December 1, 2010 3:20:02 PM

I had a 4850 1gb running on a 400w Dell power supply. It ran without a problem for a long time.

This card is dated now, but it is pretty cheap, at $115 on newegg. I have a XFX and was able to overclock the gpu core to 690MHz.
December 1, 2010 6:50:47 PM

jyjjy said:
The HD5750 is very low power and will work easily on your power supply and the rest of your system. It will actually allow you to max out the settings in most games at your resolution. If you are really ok with medium settings then even the HD4670 will do but I do think the HD5750 is worth the extra money if you can afford it.
Where do you live exactly?


I live in Turkey. There are everything is much expensive rather than America and other European countries... A big handicap.I listed above all prices and brands.

HD5750 priced on 140 $ for Asus GDDR5 512MB, 135 $ for Sapphire GDDR5 1GB.
HD5670 priced on 125 $ for Asus GDDR5 1GB, 115 $ for Sapphire GDDR5 1GB, 125 $ for HIS with IceQ Cooler GDDR5 1GB.
HD5570 priced on 100 $ for Asus GDDR3 1GB, 85 $ for HIS GDDR3 1GB.
HD4670 priced on 86 $ for Asus GDDR3 1GB, 85 $ for Sapphire GDDR3 1GB.

I said it before 1280x1024 resolution and between high-medium settings are enough for me.

Thanks all for your helps. I will buy one of these cards but I need last advices. :) 

a c 376 U Graphics card
December 1, 2010 8:59:37 PM

Out of those the HIS HD5570 looks like a good choice with those prices and should do what you want.
What are the prices there on cards like the GT 240, 9600GT, 9800GT, GTS 250, HD 4850, HD 4770? One of those may actually be your best choice.
December 1, 2010 9:42:24 PM

jyjjy said:
Out of those the HIS HD5570 looks like a good choice with those prices and should do what you want.
What are the prices there on cards like the GT 240, 9600GT, 9800GT, GTS 250, HD 4850, HD 4770? One of those may actually be your best choice.


9600GT priced on 108 $ for Axle 1GB DDR3. (But out of stocks right now.)
GT 240 priced on 85 $ for Palit 1GB DDR2, 95 $ for Axle 1GB DDR3, 125 $ for Sparkle 1GB DDR5.
9800GT priced on 109 $ for Zotac 512MB GDDR3, 104 $ for Sparkle 512MB GDDR3.
GTS 250 priced on 112 $ for Palit E-Green 512MB DDR3, 140 $ for Zotac 512MB DDR3.
HD4850 priced on 119 $ for MSI 1GB GDDR3.
HD4770 there are no sellers.

That is all I can do. :) 

a c 155 U Graphics card
December 1, 2010 11:43:51 PM

Pallimud said:
I had a 4850 1gb running on a 400w Dell power supply. It ran without a problem for a long time.

This card is dated now, but it is pretty cheap, at $115 on newegg. I have a XFX and was able to overclock the gpu core to 690MHz.

Yeah but why pay $115 on newegg for a 4850 when you can pay $120 (-$30) on tigerdirect from a 4870?
a c 376 U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 1:09:30 AM

Synergetic said:
9600GT priced on 108 $ for Axle 1GB DDR3. (But out of stocks right now.)
GT 240 priced on 85 $ for Palit 1GB DDR2, 95 $ for Axle 1GB DDR3, 125 $ for Sparkle 1GB DDR5.
9800GT priced on 109 $ for Zotac 512MB GDDR3, 104 $ for Sparkle 512MB GDDR3.
GTS 250 priced on 112 $ for Palit E-Green 512MB DDR3, 140 $ for Zotac 512MB DDR3.
HD4850 priced on 119 $ for MSI 1GB GDDR3.
HD4770 there are no sellers.

That is all I can do. :) 

The 9800GT for $104 may be your best choice. The $112 GTS 250 ain't bad either.
Check out the chart I posted earlier in the thread. The HD5570 isn't on there for some reason but for your reference it approximately equal to the HD4670(but DX11 and lower power.)
Like I said earlier the HD5570 is alright for your resolution and will let you play everything at medium settings but the slightly more expensive cards are better deals for the money and will give you acceptable performance for a longer time going forward. Going off the chart above with the HD5570 costing $85 the 9800GT costs 22% more and is 48% faster. The GTS 250 costs 32% more and is 60% faster.
a c 155 U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 6:03:42 AM

jyjjy said:
The 9800GT for $104 may be your best choice. The $112 GTS 250 ain't bad either.
Check out the chart I posted earlier in the thread. The HD5570 isn't on there for some reason but for your reference it approximately equal to the HD4670(but DX11 and lower power.)
Like I said earlier the HD5570 is alright for your resolution and will let you play everything at medium settings but the slightly more expensive cards are better deals for the money and will give you acceptable performance for a longer time going forward. Going off the chart above with the HD5570 costing $85 the 9800GT costs 22% more and is 48% faster. The GTS 250 costs 32% more and is 60% faster.

And the HD 4870 for $120 ($90 after mail-in-rebate)? How does that compare with the GTS 250 other than the fact that it crushes it from a performance standpoint? You're aware that the HD 4870 is dead-even with the GTX 260 right? :sol: 
a c 376 U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 6:10:17 AM

I fully encourage you to buy the HD4870 for this guy and ship it to him in Turkey. That way he can put his money towards a power supply that is good enough for such a card.
a b U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 8:27:51 AM

Yeah, I'd ignore Avro Arrow unless you were willing to get a PSU to go with that card. Judging by the prices above I'd go with the 5570. It's a good card that will work with your system, give you what you need and come in under your budget! I recommended that card to a friend at work and she is loving it!
December 2, 2010 10:34:44 AM

I have to thanks all of you guys which try to help me. My destination will be Asus HD5570 if I force to buy by limited budget. On the other hand, I try to expand my budget and going with HD5750. I just try but I think there is no chance. Lastly,

HD5570, Stucked in my bugdet.
HD5750, +30 $ more cost.

Between these cards there is HD5670, +20 $ more cost. Is it really worth to buy HD5670 instead of HD5570 or Is it waste of money ?

After this question answered my problem is going to solve. Thanks everyone, good days all to you. :) 
a b U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 11:13:56 AM

Depending on what resolutions you use on your 19 inch monitor (I assume somewhere around 1440x900) you'll see big difference between the 5670 and the 5570. In benchmarks that I've just quickly looked at the 5670 beats the 5570 by about 10 frames at 1280x1024. If you could squeeze out the extra money it would be well worth it, especially if you're looking at future games as you said in your first post.

Having said that, there's nothing wrong with the 5570, it's a good card and will give you very decent performance. Just don't expect to be running everything on maximum settings!
a c 376 U Graphics card
December 2, 2010 6:31:52 PM

I'd still recommend the 9800GT as a nice compromise in price and performance between the HD5570 and the HD5750. The HD5670 would be good as well but at the prices you quoted it doesn't really make sense IMO.
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