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Well, if this is true your case only accept low profile card then you can get HD5570 without changing your current PSU (305W is more than enough). HD5570 is still faster than X1300 Pro. 
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I found you!!! 
First Thank you to everyone that had responded before! I came in to answer that post and the site dropped, along with my post....
OK, part of the info I neglected to add prior. I have a Mini Tower, Not a Slim Line Case on my Optiplex GX745.
One issue that I was trying to answer was in response to weither I would need to use a Low Profile Card. So i am adding all of my info to help to get the right answer. I wish that other post had not disappeared, I am new on this site and I think I must have hit something inadvertently and erased it! But from what I saw it seemed that all of you were very nice!
Here are my puter specs...
Optiplex GX745
Win XP Pro vers 2002
Service Pak 3
core2 duo 6600 @ 2.40GHz
2.39 GHz, 3.25 GB Ram
305w power (*soon to be replaced with 600w)
ATI Radeon1300Pro Graphics Card (*looking to replace it with a DDr3/4, 1GB, Asus/ATI/Nvidia)
The system is 4 years old. But up until now it has been fairly decent at rendering large images in a fairly short amount of time, plus has not seemed to have had it's system resources over taxed. I own several 3D programs and as of recently I have had issues with new software, and their being able to use Open GL functions. Vue7 Pro, and Curvy. Plus I have always wanted to get a better power source, but could not due to the dell warrenty. The warrenty expires in Jan 2011. So I decided to start investigating adding a little bit more to this system. I have to keep a 32bit XP system because of some of my older software. Plus I can surf while I render on the other system. But the other system has to wait til Tax time to buy.
I hope this clarified my questions better.
Ariana
Message edited by Ariana_FFD on 12-02-2010 at 01:23:46 AM
| g00fysmiley wrote : the good nes is yes you can use a modern graphics card due to having a pci express slot... the bad news is you will need a low profile card
|
First Thank You... 
I do not have a slim line case like the one pictured in you link> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] CatId=5139
Does this now make a difference in a low Profile vs Better Profile GC?
I'll wait on the answer to ask on other listed items.
Ariana
| tigrc wrote : In order of performance:
|
Hello!
I have been viewing over at YouTube, about cuda and CS5 Ext that I just upgraded to! So as soon as we determine if I have to go with a Low Profile GC, as mentioned here, I will start looking at this.
Thank You! 
Ariana
| wa1 wrote : ATI X1300 Pro? it's a PCIE card, right?
|
Hello and ThanX!!!
Here are my specs (*I am not really techy so I hope this is what you wanted...) 
Optiplex GX745
Win XP Pro vers 2002
Service Pak 3
core2 duo 6600 @ 2.40GHz
2.39 GHz, 3.25 GB Ram
305w power (*soon to be replaced with 600w)
ATI Radeon1300Pro Graphics Card (*Yes it is a PCI Express Card)(*looking to replace it with a DDr3/4, 1GB, Asus/ATI/Nvidia)
*I assume your board only has 1.1 pcie slot, so as long as the card is 2.0 ver then you'll be fine.* Is this refering to the length of the pin array? It is a larger array, not the narrow one. I have 3 slots inside for my PCI connections, but on the back, but it appears that only two are visable. I hope this helps some.
I do not know what this means... sorry 
stock speed? no OC? ?
Ariana 
Message edited by Ariana_FFD on 12-02-2010 at 01:32:50 AM
This one does look good!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 63938&SID=
Item#: N82E16814121393
Sorry the link did not want to copy for me... here you go.
Honestly I am still confused about the power supply. Could you say exactly which you were recommending? I am not all that techy (*if you hadn't noticed 
) I am so out of my element here. But as I read around the site I am feeling a little bit better. Seems most are nice like yourself 
So really since I planned to have MoonDog (*local Reno computer place) install the power supply, you are saying they might stick me with a cruddy PS? Cause they mentioned a cost of $89.00.... And of course I do not have a part number from them to give you.
As I get info, I just have concerns that I might not pick correctly, and create issues with this system before I get the new one. Life without a puter or rendering! 
Unthinkable!
Ariana
Message edited by Ariana_FFD on 12-02-2010 at 04:11:48 AM
i think the link was to the ASUS TOP CU i was suggesting, the numbers match
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 63938&SID=
at 89.00 I'd imagine it'd be a decent 600 watt psu, but you never know, if you trust em I'd say you're probably good, most shops won't intentionally rip their customers off thats a bad way to get them to come back, i know i wouldn't do that to my customers. really the 450 can run on a low wattage psu it only uses 1 6 pin connector.
i was just warning that some psu manufacturers will just put a label on their sub par power supply like the link i showed where a company slapped a 580 watt sticker on a 200 watt psu.
it might be helpful to call the shop and ask what model and brand the psu is that they are putting in.
as for us as a community most people here are pretty nice and helpful when we're not squabbling on geeky stuff liek amd vs intel or ati (now also amd)vs nvidia then we just get our nerd rage out on each other 
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| g00fysmiley wrote : i think the link was to the ASUS TOP CU i was suggesting, the numbers match
|
Yes I will get that in the morning, it is 7:15pm here, and they close at 6pm. I understand what you are saying, and it had not occured to me at all. But if you don't mind helping I will get the right parts and have a fairly revamped older system! 
The help from all of you is totally respected and appreciated!
Ariana
Hi Everyone!
I found the correct power source for my computer!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] k=PPCS500D
Now if you look at this, can you help me know what card can work best with it!
I went through 9 calls to Dell, several techs and finally found one that knew how to navigate their own site! LOL! He found this and said it would cost me $99.99, and was B/O for 6 weeks! I found the same at new egg $30.00 cheaper and in stock. I feel very impowered. And would not have felt nearly so without all of you...
So now the next thing is to find my Graphics card, and I'll be set to go. 
HugZ!
Ariana
Well the issue is weither it will fit and work with all of the stupid Dell proprietary build. I do know this is Dell compatable. And my tech installer did say he wanted to be sure it was compatable (*I got a good tech guy now! ). I think I might do the ATI HD5750 1GB or the Nvidia GTS250 1GB card. Would you have a preference on those?
I'll be in and out... I got my CS5Ext yesterday so I am going through instructional videos on youtube!
HugZ!
Ariana
the 430 is mroe of a card where you get to say you have a graphics card.. but that about it. they do of at video playback and minor gaming/ rendering btu they just don't have much muscle... if this were a discussion on dogs the on board graphics card would be a teacup poodle, and the 430 woudl be a pomeranion... yea its about twice as big but its still a 5 lb dog and not of much use (i have a pomeranian, so no hate to the breed.. cute dog but beyond trying to move pillow larger than herself and failing she's pretty much useless)
the 450 would be more like a bigger jack russel small but powerful and energetic.
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| tigrc wrote : Hmm, I saw a comment on newegg of one guy, who does machinimas and he didn't like the GT 430. Are you doing anything like machinimas? Will you play demanding games? If so, Gt 430 is not the choice for you. For everything else, this is a very decent card.
|
No, I will not be gaming on any level. I do 3D graphics, to create art for customers, and I also sell at sci-fi/fantasy conventions.
Two reasons I need to update this machine is that I run lots of programs that now require better graphics support. I found this when I bought Vue7 Pro, it just will not do even half of what I needed. No animations, or large sized renders. Poster size is 7,000 X 4,600 at 300 DPI. One reason I use high dpi is to get details that do not pop otherwise. I often wonder if my GC has been the cause of this. Plus I just upgraded to CS5 Extended, and it has a lot of requirements to do what I want in it. Anyway, in order to get a better GC, I need a better power source. 305w, just did not support anything good. But I am not techy at all. So I could be wrong. That's why I came here for advice.
As soon as I find out how much money is available come May 2011, I can get a brand new system. But until then, since the warrenty on the Dell is going to expire, I decided now I can update the things I did not like on this system. I did not know squat when I bought it 4 years back. I am learning really fast now and have a much better idea of what I would want in my next system.
As for the GC now, I don't think I need one that is too pricey as this system runs Win XP Pro, and I understand now that Direct X does not work really well on it?! There has been some question about DDR and if a DDR2-3 might not be way sufficeint for the system and the power supply. I had an eye opener yesterday when I saw my first $999.99 Graphics Card.... 
Wow that is a dedicated Gamer! I know that I do want one that has at least 1GB of memory. Also that is be a card with a good reliable fan. Runs cool because I am (*just like a gamer) running up to 18 hours a day, depending on how inspired I get. And supports Open GL & CUDA.
Graphics Card budget... So I was thinking $125.00 ballpark. Probably a little less.
I really do appreciate everyone's help here. I am not techy at all. And a lot of the things that we have talked about, I never even was aware of. I wouldn't even know to ask. I most likely sound totally dim witted, but I take every word to heart. So thank you all....
HugZ!
Ariana
Message edited by Ariana_FFD on 12-03-2010 at 03:05:11 PM
| g00fysmiley wrote : the 430 is mroe of a card where you get to say you have a graphics card.. but that about it. they do of at video playback and minor gaming/ rendering btu they just don't have much muscle... if this were a discussion on dogs the on board graphics card would be a teacup poodle, and the 430 woudl be a pomeranion... yea its about twice as big but its still a 5 lb dog and not of much use (i have a pomeranian, so no hate to the breed.. |
LOL!!! I love your analogies! Yes I guess I would like a dog with a bit more "bite"! I am worried about if it fits. I tried to search the ATI Radeon 1300Pro, to look at the pin array on the PCIE type that fits in my puter, and could not find a pic! Does anyone know how to find one? I knew the cards were old... but dang!
Talk soon!!!
HugZ!
Ariana
| tigrc wrote : Get the GTS 450, it will fit, assuming your case version is wider than the slim one. Now we need to find out if you have can a a dual slot card or not. Could you open your case and take a photo of it so we can see the motherboard from top and side and post it here? |
At the back where the PCIE slots are there are 3.One is filled currently with the old card.
I have to run (*today is payday and i am out til about 12noon), but I will be back later. I hope that you are still around!
Thank you....
HugZ!
Ariana
| g00fysmiley wrote : i have a mini case and the card fit (the card being the asus one , it came in today its running games at max setting at least the 3 i've tried so far, WoW, mass effect, and borderlands)
|
If you look into mine from the side where the side comes off... the power source is on the top at the back. The GC is under that by a good 5 inches. The hard drives (*I have two HD's, and 2 Opticle drives directly above the HD's), are barely 8-10 inches from the back of the case. So the Tech guy Tim is going to try the card on wens/thurs or when the power source gets here from NE. In my experience NE send stuff fairly quickly.
I am so stressed out!!! 
I mean I find the right power source, only to get slapped stupid on the GC!!! 
If I can't find a great GC to fit this stupid case after all of this work I may just go bonkers 
!
If you or anyone comes up with a shorter WIDER (*sides ways) card let me know. ARRGGHHH! 
HuggerZ!
Ariana
Message edited by Ariana_FFD on 12-04-2010 at 04:32:47 AM
The length of a GTS 450 is about 8.25 inches (210mm). If this card doesn't fit, then the next best choice is the GT 240, which is about 6.6 inches (168mm). It is cheaper and weaker, but you will be fine with it. By the way, it would be very funny, if you would get this card after all, because it only requires a 300W PSU
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| tigrc wrote : The length of a GTS 450 is about 8.25 inches (210mm). If this card doesn't fit, then the next best choice is the GT 240, which is about 6.6 inches (168mm). It is cheaper and weaker, but you will be fine with it. By the way, it would be very funny, if you would get this card after all, because it only requires a 300W PSU |
Oh you are just Cruel 
and just plain mean to boot! 
LOL! If that is the case I will be really mad... but maybe not, does it support CUDA? I bet not!
I had an idea to make it fit... under the fan is some flanges of plastic that serve no real purpose except maybe when they injection molded it! I told Tim if he has to cut those off to get that card in then do it! They are about 3/4" long and just are there. No reason that I can fathom. Nothing attaches to them.
Now you be nice and quit wishing nasty little thoughts at my PS and pray my GC will fit!!!
HuggerZ!
Ariana
Yes, the GT 240 supports CUDA I really hope it does fit, but in case it won't, you have a very good backup plan And still, it would be funny
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| tigrc wrote : Yes, the GT 240 supports CUDA |
I guess it would. But a better power supply could never hurt! After all it might give this system a little extra push for some of my higher end programs!
If you are interested here is a link to my store, just click on my name and a drop down will open with a link to my gallery! http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs [...] tasyDesign I actually have a product called "The Year of the Tiger 2010"! Let me know if you would like a tiger pic! I can do a nice one for you....
HugZ!
Ariana
True, a better power supply will never hurt. It is better to not stress the PSU to it's limits, so it's capacitors would stay in high quality.
YES !!! I would love that pic and I would be honoured to have one made specially for me!
| tigrc wrote : True, a better power supply will never hurt. It is better to not stress the PSU to it's limits, so it's capacitors would stay in high quality.
|
Which pic did you see, the Frazetta tribute? Send me a PM about what you would and would not like in it... heck I wouldn't want to offend you! If you are refering to the Frazetta pic it has bare breasts... So let me know if partial, or full nudity fits your tastes. 
HugZ!
Ariana
youtube link/no nudes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIq-L_VceaU
I am just learning videos so this one is an experiment... 
I meant the one that you would do for me, not anything specific. You would need to try very hard to offend me, trust me Anything with a tiger will be good, use your imagination P.S. I'm a romantic looking for that one and only, maybe that will help with the pic
| tigrc wrote : I meant the one that you would do for me, not anything specific. You would need to try very hard to offend me, trust me |
OK, I can do that!
A new issue has arisen BTW... About over heating, do I need to be concerned?
"Looking at eBay, there are 3 motherboard configurations. You said that that you have a PCIE slot so that narrow's the options down. I can't find a picture of the inside of your (mini ?) mid-tower case. As was mentioned this card will use the PCIE slot and cover your remaining PCI slot. With that in mind you will have to add extra cooling or both the CPU and video cards are going to over heat, giving you worse performance that you are getting now."
*from a post at renderosity.
This person mentions I would need additional cooling? Why has this not come up from any of my other sources? Should I be concerned for this??? If so, do you have any suggestions? I think I have a good tech, but informed is protected as I speak to him. What about if I step back to a 240? Would that eliminate the overheating possibility?
I had absolutely no clue what I was buying when I got the 745 from Dell. It is still a good computer! It's just that I always knew the power source was weak after I had bought it, and I also found out from many people in the 3D community, what a weak and low grade graphics card an ATI Radeon 1300Pro was. 6 years back many people said I would not be able to render worth a damn with a GC of that low quality. And because of the warrenty I was locked in and could not change anything. First I was told by Dell that there was not any other power source at all. Well that is untrue. And then that it could not be added to my warrenty. I just found out yesterday that that also was false.
Believe me I am absorbing this info like a sponge! I will know how to research my next computer correctly. When this cooling issue was mentioned, I wondered why No One has brought this up. Not Nvidia, not my tech, and not anyone at Tom's. So I at least now have some info to ask my tech as well on monday.
Anyone here have an opinion?
Here are some links too:
Dell Optiplex GX745 Mini Tower Specs
http://support.dell.com/support/ed [...] tindex.htm
Outside Front and Rear
http://support.dell.com/support/ed [...] #wp1050681
Inside
Graphics Cards
http://support.dell.com/support/ed [...] #wp1105095
Power Supply
http://support.dell.com/support/ed [...] #wp1109155
Thank you for your help BTW!!!
HugZ!
Ariana
| g00fysmiley wrote : really your case has decent ventilation for the cpu, and there is plenty of space in your case under where the video card will sit to allow for airflow. the issue with overheating is often like the dell i linked in the first link, those small low profile cases
|
Well that is a relief! Do you think the 240 or the 450 have the needed GPU Coolers???
Hey! Hi!!!!
HugZ!
Ariana
Thanks! I didn't sleep for 40 hours now so I would really be happy to sleep for at least 12 hours now No pressure on the pressie, do it only when you have some free time! OK, good night!
Hi Again!!!
OK, update about why I was MIA...
Well the power supply would not fit. Wrong screw holes and slots for the supply to slip onto! So much for Dell compatabillity!
Now as for the video card. Well leave it to Dell to insert the PCIE slots UPSIDE DOWN... 
Good grief! So we were able to find a GeForce 210, that fits and diod resolve my Open GL issue on all of my software(s). It isn't exactly what I hoped for but it is a short term solution until I get the new puter in april/may. I am sort of in "downtime" while I re-install all of my programs. I did wipe my drives and started clean. Just in case. So far I have both photoshops on, all 3 posers, painter11, and also my wacom. Tonight I will finish installing all of my other software. Tigrc! I have not forgotten you!!! Give me another 2 days to get everything in place and I can finish your pic!
HugZ to everyone!!!
Ariana
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