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Intel Pentium 4 3GHz HT Northwood vs AMD Sempron 140

I am looking to upgrade my grandpa's system, and I was wondering, would the AMD Sempron 140 be an upgrade from his current Pentium 4 3GHz HT Northwood processor? I just want to upgrade his system for he can run Windows 7. The Sempron 140 is much newer and uses a superior architecture (K10 vs. the P4's NetBurst), however, the P4 has HT.

Does anyone know which is the better CPU? I don't want to spend too much money. Should I go for the Athlon II x2 245 instead?
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  1. The Sempron is better, I think. But it's barely an upgrade and not a good choice. If you can answer a couple questions, I can help you out more: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice
  2. i dont know the 140 off the top of my head
    but I think it is about 2.4 single core?

    i know that the x 2 245 is about equal to a Core2Duo 1.6-1.8
    which definitely be better than the P4 3ghz by alot
  3. I'd say that you may as well just keep the case, HDD, & DVD. That means you're really just replacing the CPU, RAM, mobo, & PSU with integrated video.

    CPU: i3-2100/H61 combo on Newegg $189
    MOBO: included above
    RAM: $48 Geil 4GB (2x2GB) 1600CL8 DDR3
    PSU: Corsair CX430 or other >380W, maybe Antec Basiq $40

    TOTAL: $277

    PSU: Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, or XFX only w/o superb reviews (see jonnyguru for examples)

    You'd go $80 cheaper (and lose 3 years longevity) with an Athlon II x2 and cheap motherboard. If you don't want to replace your grandpa's computer for 6 years, this is the way to go. And the CPU will be easily upgradeable for several years.
  4. problem is if ti is a dell,hp etc then case not standard form factor normally
    also the chipsets with P4 3.0 HT usually didnt support Sata
    so DVD and HD are probably out

    Remeber this is for Grandpa :)
    He probably isnt playing Crysis at Max settings LOL
    probably a early AMD dual core will fit his needs
    for example email,browsing etc
    I could be wrong
    Some grandpas can hack Nasa LOL
  5. Just ot answer the OP question simply
    get the X 2 245
    at 2.9 dual core it will blow away the sempron single core 2.7 (just looked it up)
    with dual cores multitasking and running os will definitely be improved

    a athlon x 3 445 3.1 would be the best budget chip from all reviews
    about $75 usd
  6. To answer the OP's question simply:

    If you want the best possible answer, give me some more details: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice

    It won't be so simple, but it will be better. I'm not talking about playing games. I'm talking about having enough processing power for 1080p playback and future media (3D) and everyday tasks in a couple years. Then again, maybe you'll just give him your old rig in 2 years.

    The last computer I built was in my parents' used HP case. That's why I suggested it. And keep in mind, most of the new motherboards support IDE. So you can still reuse drives. A SATA DVD drive is only $20.

    I agree with king smp that you should not go below an Athlon II dual core. What's your total budget.
  7. I know you didnt ask for build suggestion but
    just as general guideline this is what I would do for
    office/mulitmedia/light duty computer

    Athlon x 3 445 rana$75 amazon
    stock amd cooler
    NZT case $20 + 10 ship
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154095&cm_re=nzt_case-_-11-154-095-_-Product

    Asus DVDrw $20 on newegg

    Antec 380w $40

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=antec+380w

    seagate barracuda 500gb 7200 rpm sata ii $40
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148701&cm_re=sata_hd-_-22-148-701-_-Product

    ram - not sure i am not a AMD guy (though I appreciate them :) )
    probably around $60 for 4gb
    could slide by on 2gb for about $40

    ati HD4650 for about 40-50

    should be at $300 roughly
    also dont know what parts you have already

    That was just a guideline for budget build
    all credit to other members of toms and Toms articles for
    the build list

    it would be a decent budget tower that could tear apart
    office/browser and be a light gamer

    I am not sure of what other parts you have also
  8. dalauder said:
    To answer the OP's question simply:

    If you want the best possible answer, give me some more details: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice

    It won't be so simple, but it will be better. I'm not talking about playing games. I'm talking about having enough processing power for 1080p playback and future media (3D) and everyday tasks in a couple years. Then again, maybe you'll just give him your old rig in 2 years.

    The last computer I built was in my parents' used HP case. That's why I suggested it. And keep in mind, most of the new motherboards support IDE. So you can still reuse drives. A SATA DVD drive is only $20.

    I agree with king smp that you should not go below an Athlon II dual core. What's your total budget.



    Good info
    I didnt know new mobo still supported IDE
    I do know that most Dell/hp/etc cases dont conform to standard form factor
    though obviously there are some
    as you proved
  9. wow am i tired (3am)
    forgot motherboard @ $50-75
    i am the last person on here to recommend amd mobo
    so hopefully dalauder could

    also maybe reuse HD for now to shave cost
    still keep it at around $300

    that will probably be my Christmas/Holiday build minus
    my current HD/DVD/GPU/ram?

    Also to tell you my last custom build
    was a Athlon Thunderbird around 2001 so I am just a little
    rusty LOL
  10. One of the reasons I push the i3-2100 is because its integrated video keeps pace with a 4650. That saves you $40, which puts it at the price of a $80 CPU. Then we're just asking whether an i3-2100 is worth $5 more than an Athlon II x3. And both have the same mobo price.

    I'd love to say AMD, but if you're spending more than $260 total, they're not worth it.

    Also, for RAM, I'd say Giel $48 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3 1600CL8 on Newegg. You could do 1600CL9 for $5 or 1333CL9 for $40, but it's worth it in my opinion to get the 1600CL8. Of course that starts a snowball effect of, is it worth $10 to upgrade this part. My answer is often, "Yes", but it depends on the person.
  11. ^+1 awesome
    got me thinking now :)
    way better upgrade path
    plus Grandpa should be fine with I3 SB integrated
    still leery of chipset bugs though
    feel bad for early SB owners
  12. It's all gonna come down to budget. If he has to fit the build in at under $250, it's AMD w/ Radeon integrated. If it's $300, it's i3.

    What motherboard is your grandpa currently using though? If it's 775, you may have a legitimate 775 upgrade path. If you're running DDR2, then your motherboard can probably handle an E5400 or something like that, which will do everything your grandpa needs for a $50 upgrade.

    You could just post in the forums for a $30 to $80 775 CPU and see what people offer. You might get lucky and get a Q6600 or Q8200 (online for $125). This requires a 775 mobo and may actually be the most cost effective upgrade.
  13. good thought (I love Ole Trusty LGA775)
    but he has northwood P4
    they were all socket 478 if i remember right
    prescotts starting going LGA775
    has to do new mobo and cpu

    @dalauder would you mind if I pm you for a system build with I3?
  14. @king smp, sure go ahead. I never mind a PM (for me to be useful, I'll still need http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice).

    Oh...I didn't see the Northwood. I've got one of those. I'm about to replace my Dad's P4 Northwood (no HT) 2.4GHz w/ 1GB Rambus with my old Athlon x2 5000+.

    I've also got a P4 1.8GHz sitting around if anyone wants that.
  15. tell me about
    right now in parts inventory
    is two Xeon P4 based Prestonia 3.06
    two Xeon p4 based Prestonia 3.2
    one Pentium D 945 3.4 (might make toaster out of it)
    one C2D E4300 1.8 800mhz BSEL pinmodded to 2.4 1066 FSB

    other than the E4300
    I would give them away to somebody who needed them
    they have classifieds here but they should have a CPU Freecycle Swap forum
    just for that purpose

    I go to bed now I think (4/26am) darn partial insomnia!
    Hopefulyy the OP comes back tomoorrow
  16. I have a board for any 775 you're willing to get rid of. I've given away most of my extra DDR, DDR2, & extra HDDs quite successfully over the last couple months, so I don't have a lot to offer. Oh, I have an extra 775 board if you want that and you can keep your CPUs. That's just as good for me. (I would like the Pentium D though if you're offering).
  17. The Sempy 140 / Biostar AM3 880G for $80 should be fine for Gramps -- just be sure to install the Avivo UVD decoder for video hardware acceleration by the Radeon HD 4250 IGP.

    If you win the AMD Chip Lottery, Grandpa might unlock his processor to an AthlonII X2 4400e ...



    Otherwise, if yah want go to the 'cutting-edge' the ASRock E-350 APU Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo for $117 would be a nice touch.
  18. dalauder said:
    I have a board for any 775 you're willing to get rid of. I've given away most of my extra DDR, DDR2, & extra HDDs quite successfully over the last couple months, so I don't have a lot to offer. Oh, I have an extra 775 board if you want that and you can keep your CPUs. That's just as good for me. (I would like the Pentium D though if you're offering).



    let me find out Toms rules for personal info etc
    if you are in USA I would mind sending it by mail to you
    just am a little nervous about personal info being exchanged
  19. The Semperion is Considerably faster even though it's only a single core CPU (basically an Athlon II X2 with one core dissabled). It would be a major upgrade for your Gramps, but it really would be worth it to spend just a little more to get a dual core Athlon II X2. After all, boards with ACC to unlock the extra core are a little more expensive and unlocking may not always work or be completely stable.
  20. The X 2 245 would definitley be the better choice between the two

    OP dont mind us
    we like coming up with builds LOL
    sorry to go off topic
  21. Okay, I will go with the Athlon II x2 245.

    I was thinking though, perhaps to save some money, I should go with an OEM version and buy the heatsink separately. An OEM Athlon II x2 245 costs $49, while the retail version goes for $70-$80. I could simply buy a Cooler Master heatsink for about $10.
  22. I am pretty sure that the 3.0Ghz P4 with about 1.5Gigs of ram is able to run Windows 7 just fine.

    Make sure it's got some old nvidia or ati card with at least 64mb to take some of the video load off the chipset.

    Upgrading to the sempron will not make much of a performance gain so it's not worth the investment.


    For gramps, I think he would be fine with a nice reformat and reinstall of XP. Nice clean setup, IE8 and Chrome... perhaps firefox...

    Unless he has a specific use that requires windows 7
    He doesn't need to upgrade if all he does is Internet, Email, Skype and some flash card games.

    I hope he has at least 1 gig of ram and some old Geforce or radeon and even that is only an option.
  23. PinkJazzX said:
    Okay, I will go with the Athlon II x2 245.

    I was thinking though, perhaps to save some money, I should go with an OEM version and buy the heatsink separately. An OEM Athlon II x2 245 costs $49, while the retail version goes for $70-$80. I could simply buy a Cooler Master heatsink for about $10.



    good idea
  24. Best answer
    Here is another combo deal over at newegg.The Retail (comes with the heatsink/Fan) AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz CPU and the BIOSTAR A880G Motherboard for $100.99.It's slightly faster than the 245.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.625063

    Alternatively here are some other combo's with the same CPU.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N82E16819103903&SubCategory=343&SortField=0&PageSize=10&page=1
  25. Hmm, that Athlon II x2 250/Biostar N68S3+ combo looks interesting, and would be cheaper than what I have been planning with a better CPU. All I would need to add would be the RAM and the DVD+/-RW drive.

    Anyway, I will keep watching NewEgg for such deals.
  26. Best answer selected by PinkJazzX.
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