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Whats better a evga 260 or a 450 both buy evga

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December 2, 2010 1:48:19 PM

i was wondering how much better the evga 450 1 gig ddr 5 is compared to a evga gtx 260 1 gig ddr 3
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December 2, 2010 1:50:07 PM

gtx 260 is significantly better but does not have direct x 11, which in my opinion is nonsense for a card in this class anyways. Go with the 260 imo. A 450 is on par with a gts 250, 5750, 4850. The gtx 260 is on par with the 5770 and 4870, to give you an idea
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December 2, 2010 1:51:44 PM

even though the 260 is ddr 3 and the 450 has faster specs
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December 2, 2010 1:52:59 PM

i want a card that is better then a 260 any thought will the xfx 6870 kill it
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December 2, 2010 1:54:41 PM

The 260 has more pure horsepower. It will give you higher FPS in most games than a 450. The 450 does have DX11, whereas the 260 does not.

Bear in mind, of course, there are 2 flavours of 260 and one is faster than the other (the 216 version being the quicker). The 260 also uses more power and needs a bigger PSU than a 450.
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December 2, 2010 1:56:21 PM

no the 450 is a much slower chip ddr3 has very little to do with it in this case, trust me just look at toms hierarchy charts. imo 450 is a piece of scrap whereas the 260 can really do some damage in dx 10. Check out this chart:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-rad...

the gtx 260 is only one tier higher which isnt leaps and bounds better than the 450 but it is significantly better especially at higher resolutions
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December 2, 2010 1:58:11 PM

you need to list your full system specs before someone can make a solid recommendation:::, specs, resolution, and what games you play, etc..
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December 2, 2010 1:59:00 PM

A piece of scrap? As compared to what? It's one tier down as you say yourself, so that makes everything in that tier and below a piece of scrap? I'd hardly think that's a fitting description for a 4850, or a 5770? Both of those are in the same performance area as a 450.

The 260 is more powerful than a 450, but that by no means demeans the 450.
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December 2, 2010 2:03:30 PM

plastichairball said:
A piece of scrap? As compared to what? It's one tier down as you say yourself, so that makes everything in that tier and below a piece of scrap? I'd hardly think that's a fitting description for a 4850, or a 5770? Both of those are in the same performance area as a 450.

The 260 is more powerful than a 450, but that by no means demeans the 450.



alright easy boss, dont get all bent out of shape, what i meant was (and imo) the 260 is a much better buy the 450 is not scrap but in my opinion by todays standards anything less than a 260 is becoming weak overall if you like to game at decent settings and decent resolution. The 450 is good I suppose for someone trying to game at sub 1050p levels but until the op gives his specs a good recommendation cannot be made. Really i dont know why anyone would spend money on a low midrange card at this point unless they just plan didnt have the cash. Also there is no way the 450 will be powerful enough to run dx11 when it is being FULLY utilized in games, and not just a little bit as it has been in a select amount of dx11 games already released. gtx 260s can be found online or ebay for around 100. Also the 5770 is on par with a gtx 260 same as the 4870 which are both a chunk faster than the 4850/5750 so no i wasnt comparing the 450 to a 5770, i was comparing it to a 4850 which is indeed sub 5770/260/4870 levels which the gtx 260 sits on. But yes you are right in mentioning to two versions, for the money you can probly find a new or used 216 model for the same price. And even after going into all this detail on levels, you are right, all the cards mention are relatively on the same level, however when a card is barley powerful enough to achieve the desired settings (in my case med-high 1050p) then I would much rather have something a little more powerful rather than something as underwhelming as the 450, but again im not dissing your card, im just saying that sometimes small margins matter and can be the difference between 30 fps which is barley playable and 40 fps.
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December 2, 2010 2:09:37 PM

jjb8675309 said:
alright easy boss, dont get all bent out of shape, what i meant was (and imo) the 260 is a much better buy the 450 is not scrap but in my opinion by todays standards anything less than a 260 is becoming weak overall if you like to game at decent settings and decent resolution. The 450 is good I suppose for someone trying to game at sub 1050p levels but until the op gives his specs a good recommendation cannot be made. Really i dont know why anyone would spend money on a low midrange card at this point unless they just plan didnt have the cash.


See, that's where the issue lies. Not all of us are millionaires, so when along comes a card that gives amazing performance for price (ok, taking into account I got it for £65 I might be a bit biased...no actually a lot biased) we lower classes tend to rejoice.

But the main thing I don't understand is what people are on about with regards to performance. I stick Crysis up to 1900x1200, rock out all the settings to max and watch it fly! I've also maxed all my other games and the 450 has eaten them. I'm not denying that a card like a 260 won't outperform it, but if you're getting 30 - 40 FPS on highest settings can you really complain? Or say the card under-performs for today's games?

I just don't see that at all.
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December 2, 2010 2:13:16 PM

well somehow you only got half my response but:


Also there is no way the 450 will be powerful enough to run dx11 when it is being FULLY utilized in games, and not just a little bit as it has been in a select amount of dx11 games already released. gtx 260s can be found online or ebay for around 100. Also the 5770 is on par with a gtx 260 same as the 4870 which are both a chunk faster than the 4850/5750 so no i wasnt comparing the 450 to a 5770, i was comparing it to a 4850 which is indeed sub 5770/260/4870 levels which the gtx 260 sits on. But yes you are right in mentioning to two versions, for the money you can probly find a new or used 216 model for the same price. And even after going into all this detail on levels, you are right, all the cards mention are relatively on the same level, however when a card is barley powerful enough to achieve the desired settings (in my case med-high 1050p) then I would much rather have something a little more powerful rather than something as underwhelming as the 450, but again im not dissing your card, im just saying that sometimes small margins matter and can be the difference between 30 fps which is barley playable and 40 fps.
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December 2, 2010 2:17:21 PM

dont kid yourself the 450 will not max out crysis by any means and neither will the 260, for me, 30 fps is nowhere near acceptable, and if you are getting 30 average, hell even 40 average then im sure there are often scenes where the card dips into the 20s and teens. Even some of todays most powerful cards suffer from this, it is an extremely demanding game. But either way, for the op:

I would go with the most powerful and cheap older tech you can find unless you are in the market to get something say gtx460/ati6850 or above with new tech. This of course all depends on if you have a system, psu, cpu, etc to accompany and run the gpu
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December 2, 2010 2:20:17 PM

Is the 450 too weak to run DX11 games? We'll see, but that's going to be in a long while's time. At the moment, and for a good while that's a moot point.

A 450 has the same performance as a 5770, so you were indeed comparing the two but indirectly. Have a look at what manufacturers and owners of the card are doing with it and you'll see that in some cases it even surpasses the 5770.

Is the 450, or the 5770 "barely powerful enough to achieve desired settings"? Ummm, no? Med-high at 1050? Actually it does a lot more than just that. As stated above.

Is something more powerful desirable? Well of course! That's a no brainer! But are you going to suffer because of purchasing a card off the same tier as a 450/5770? Nope!

To the OP: To get back on topic. The 260 gives you more raw horsepower, but you'd be doing well with either.

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December 2, 2010 2:22:24 PM

then my power supply sucks its 600 watts but only has 18 amps on the 12 volt rails and the evga wants 36 amps according to new egg i have a evga 260 and im not pleased so meaning my 18 amp rails arnt enough power or what
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December 2, 2010 2:24:26 PM

jjb8675309 said:
dont kid yourself the 450 will not max out crysis by any means and neither will the 260, for me, 30 fps is nowhere near acceptable, and if you are getting 30 average, hell even 40 average then im sure there are often scenes where the card dips into the 20s and teens. Even some of todays most powerful cards suffer from this, it is an extremely demanding game. But either way, for the op:

I would go with the most powerful and cheap older tech you can find unless you are in the market to get something say gtx460/ati6850 or above with new tech. This of course all depends on if you have a system, psu, cpu, etc to accompany and run the gpu


Don'd kid myself? Excuse me? Yes, I'll just disregard the evidence of my eyes and other senses. Perhaps it was all a dream?

I think not. But if you can only declare a card worthy if it gives you 60+ FPS in any game at any resolution then it's quite clear where you stand with regards to PC hardware and budgets. For those tied down to more realistic expectations and budgets, a card that delivers 30+ FPS at the highest resolutions in the most demanding games is a good one.
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December 2, 2010 2:26:01 PM

paul20101 said:
then my power supply sucks its 600 watts but only has 18 amps on the 12 volt rails and the evga wants 36 amps according to new egg i have a evga 260 and im not pleased so meaning my 18 amp rails arnt enough power or what


18 amps is indeed very low, are you sure you don't have 2 or more 12V rails? On the sticker on the side of the power supply does it say 12v1 and 12v2?
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December 2, 2010 2:27:41 PM

ya it has 2 stickers and they both say 18
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December 2, 2010 2:28:49 PM

Ok, so it's not amazing but it's not bad either. Can you give us the specs of the rest of your system?
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December 2, 2010 2:29:00 PM

and the card wants 36 amps so if i got a powersupply even though it has 2 six pinn connecters and only says 36 amps once whats that mean
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December 2, 2010 2:29:14 PM

plastichairball said:
Is the 450 too weak to run DX11 games? We'll see, but that's going to be in a long while's time. At the moment, and for a good while that's a moot point.

A 450 has the same performance as a 5770, so you were indeed comparing the two but indirectly. Have a look at what manufacturers and owners of the card are doing with it and you'll see that in some cases it even surpasses the 5770.

Is the 450, or the 5770 "barely powerful enough to achieve desired settings"? Ummm, no? Med-high at 1050? Actually it does a lot more than just that. As stated above.

Is something more powerful desirable? Well of course! That's a no brainer! But are you going to suffer because of purchasing a card off the same tier as a 450/5770? Nope!

To the OP: To get back on topic. The 260 gives you more raw horsepower, but you'd be doing well with either.



I still disagree with you a 5770 is a better card and yeah if youre playing team fortress 2 you might be able to get such performance but on the most demanding games of today the 450 is marginal at best. Im not gonna go fetch benchmarks but really who cares.....

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December 2, 2010 2:31:24 PM

jjb8675309 said:
I still disagree with you a 5770 is a better card and yeah if youre playing team fortress 2 you might be able to get such performance but on the most demanding games of today the 450 is marginal at best. Im not gonna go fetch benchmarks but really who cares.....


Do as you wish, it is apparently you who cares. Anyone can fetch benchmarks, and cherry pick them to suit their arguments. But off you go, if it makes you happy.
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December 2, 2010 2:31:53 PM

I would go with a solid 600 or 650 watt, from a reliable manufacturer such as corsair or cooler master. Also I would go for one that offers lots of amps on a single volt rail. Antec and seasonic are good brands too.
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December 2, 2010 2:33:16 PM

plastichairball said:
Ok, so it's not amazing but it's not bad either. Can you give us the specs of the rest of your system?

intell q6600 unlocked and overclocked quad core 3.0 per core

4 gigs of corsair dominator ram 4 terabytes hard drive space

evga 260 and some generick 600 patt power supply want i wanna no is am i powering the card good enough of should i get a ultra power supply that says 36 amps on 1 12 volt rail and doesnt say anything about a second 12 volt rail but does have 2 6 pin connecters will it run better black op lags and there is no way in hell it should do that
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December 2, 2010 2:34:33 PM

sorry about the spelling
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December 2, 2010 2:36:36 PM

plastichairball said:
Do as you wish, it is apparently you who cares. Anyone can fetch benchmarks, and cherry pick them to suit their arguments. But off you go, if it makes you happy.


thats fine, really Im not rich by any means, I'm a poor college student with two shitty jobs, but if I came to game on a pc to get 30fps then I couldve just went out and bought an xbox360 for $200 and have been stoked, instead of spending 600-800 on a nice gaming computer. to me 30 as a minimum would be fine but more often than not if your getting 35 avg say than there will be numerous times where the fps will dip beyond where it should be and cause lag. Thats just how I feel on the matter, I would rather play at 800X600 and get 60 fps rather than say 1920X1200 and get 35 fps avg, but thats just me.
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December 2, 2010 2:39:29 PM

last weekend I picked up a coolermaster 650 watt for 50 bucks at a local shop and it has 52 amps on a single 12v rail, 30 some amps should be enough if it is a quality psu but bear in mind that cheap ones often do not live up to there specs that it why it is important to get one that is 80 plus certified at least, this does not guarantee but at least it is a minimal certification. But a psu is something not to go cheap on with past expiriences.
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December 2, 2010 2:41:47 PM

paul20101 said:
intell q6600 unlocked and overclocked quad core 3.0 per core

4 gigs of corsair dominator ram 4 terabytes hard drive space

evga 260 and some generick 600 patt power supply want i wanna no is am i powering the card good enough of should i get a ultra power supply that says 36 amps on 1 12 volt rail and doesnt say anything about a second 12 volt rail but does have 2 6 pin connecters will it run better black op lags and there is no way in hell it should do that



a little confused, do you already have the 260 running on your current system and psu?? also black ops from what i hear is incredible buggy have you downloaded the patches for it?? however a gtx 260 should be more than enough to run black ops smoothly as it is an old engine.
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December 2, 2010 2:47:20 PM

yup im running a 260 now
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December 2, 2010 2:50:07 PM

well did you have any further questions or did mine and plastichairballs rantings basically answer your question?? when in doubt refer to the toms graphics hierarchy chart that I posted near the top of this discussion overall, the 260 more powerful than the 450 but it is only one tier higher on the chart, the reiterate your original question
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December 2, 2010 2:51:39 PM

1)Let me put a stop to this. The 5770 is faster then the gts450. If the gts450 beats it in 2 games does not mean it is faster.
2)You can not max out crysis at 1920x1080 with a gts450. That's final(maxing out means max AA, AF and details..shadows..textures..etc).

Paul if you already have the gtx260 an upgrade to the gts450 would be a mistake.
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December 2, 2010 2:54:13 PM

ionut19 said:
1)Let me put a stop to this. The 5770 is faster then the gts450. If the gts450 beats it in 2 games does not mean it is faster.
2)You can not max out crysis at 1920x1080 with a gts450. That's final(maxing out means max AA, AF and details..shadows..textures..etc).



thanks for clearing things up a bit, and exactly right if nv beats ati in two games it doesnt mean its faster, just optimized for a or b hardware
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December 2, 2010 2:58:24 PM

This isn't helping the OP. The two of you are right and wrong in a lot of ways. To continue the debate, pm me. Otherwise, no more of this OT straying and lets just help the OP.
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December 2, 2010 3:05:40 PM

Well the 450 is really close to the 5770(just a few fps). With an overclock it can surpass it easily. I don't want to favor any of them just to make them be what they are.

plastichairball said:
This isn't helping the OP. The two of you are right and wrong in a lot of ways. To continue the debate, pm me. Otherwise, no more of this OT straying and lets just help the OP.


:)  end of off topic.
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December 2, 2010 3:06:26 PM

plastichairball said:
This isn't helping the OP. The two of you are right and wrong in a lot of ways. To continue the debate, pm me. Otherwise, no more of this OT straying and lets just help the OP.



trying to help the op but it seems hes already gotten his answer unless hes trying to upgrade his gtx 260 but the op has not stated whether that i *** intention or not.


we are right and right in a lot of ways, not even sure what you are arguing, but ill leave it at that. C'mon bro the 450 and 5770 are good cards just not something i would personally go after for its performance. I can see it being very popular amongst dell or hp premade machines say due to its low power requirements and how premade systems like that usually come with low psus. regaurding the 5770/450, for a dx11 part i would say its barley powerful enough to game on high in dx10, so therefore, no it will absolutely not be powerful enough to run dx11 to its max (even if it is 2-5 years down the road making it a moot argument) overall im not arguing with you really just trying to give you my perspective, have a nice day and happy gaming
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December 2, 2010 3:07:55 PM

paul20101 said:
i want a card that is better then a 260 any thought will the xfx 6870 kill it
yes it will. You could wait and see what nvidia will offer with it's new cards and then chose witch one is better. If you really want to upgrade now the 6870 might be a good upgrade. It is at list twice as fast as the 5770, and more. Also the gtx470 is a good option since the prices have gone down.

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December 2, 2010 3:09:50 PM

for the price i would go with the 5850, it can oc to near 5870 levels, and actually scales almost as well as the 6 series, but with the single card you will have more power than a 6850 and a bit less than a 6870, really 5850,6850,6870, gtx 470 you cannot go wrong just depends on which one you can get a good deal on.

this is what most things are indicating::

6850<5850<gtx470, 6870 but they are all very close in performance
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December 2, 2010 3:15:26 PM

yea. the 260 is more powerful than the gts 450,

as for psu a good corsair would do your system good, the 750 watt would be more than enough

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

only reason i suggest the 750 in this case as the 650 is more than enough is the 750 is on sale for the same price as the 650, and both ahve a 10 dollar rebate, so 80 bucks up front, with 10 bucks comign back later so total of 70 bucks for a to p notch psu with a 5 year warrenty

back to the 450 vs 260. the 260 is mroe powerful but i wouldn't say its in a whoel different leage. if you plan on using cuda i would probably even suggest the 450 over the 260. however if for gaming alone 260 will net margionally better framerates. if you are willing to overclock or get a good factory overclock the gap becomes very small


i debated between the 260, 460, 450, and on the amd front the 5770 or 6850 myself and ended up getting a overclocked 450 for 120 (now 130)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

to me the perofrmance difference was not worth the extra 75% price tag.. but i also play on old monitor at 1280x 1024 and lets eb honest the 450 will puch anythign out now med-high setting at that res (plus its just going in a htpc in a few months)

for your 1050p ... well a 260 or 460 would certainly be justified esp if you plan on keepign it for a long time, the 460 would obviously be better (1 gig not so much the 768 meg) but if you have a deal on a 260 by all means i'd suggest going for it (new they just cast so close to a gtx460 its hard to justify bnot goign to the gtx 460 1 gig)

also yes either would be a good match for your system

side note... jjb i honestly stop being able to tell is a game is any smoother after around 25 fps, at that point its smooth to me i have good vision 20/10 in one eye, 20/8 in the other, but if it dips below that it does show... and the 450 can play crysis at least at my res max settings however at much more you're right there would be stuttering; honestly i think youre confusing a 450 with a 430 though... that would be the current useless outside a htpc card right now
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December 2, 2010 3:21:01 PM

g00fysmiley said:
yea. the 260 is more powerful than the gts 450,

as for psu a good corsair would do your system good, the 750 watt would be more than enough

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

only reason i suggest the 750 in this case as the 650 is more than enough is the 750 is on sale for the same price as the 650, and both ahve a 10 dollar rebate, so 80 bucks up front, with 10 bucks comign back later so total of 70 bucks for a to p notch psu with a 5 year warrenty

back to the 450 vs 260. the 260 is mroe powerful but i wouldn't say its in a whoel different leage. if you plan on using cuda i would probably even suggest the 450 over the 260. however if for gaming alone 260 will net margionally better framerates. if you are willing to overclock or get a good factory overclock the gap becomes very small


i debated between the 260, 460, 450, and on the amd front the 5770 or 6850 myself and ended up getting a overclocked 450 for 120 (now 130)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

to me the perofrmance difference was not worth the extra 75% price tag.. but i also play on old monitor at 1280x 1024 and lets eb honest the 450 will puch anythign out now med-high setting at that res (plus its just going in a htpc in a few months)

for your 1050p ... well a 260 or 460 would certainly be justified esp if you plan on keepign it for a long time, the 460 would obviously be better (1 gig not so much the 768 meg) but if you have a deal on a 260 by all means i'd suggest going for it (new they just cast so close to a gtx460 its hard to justify bnot goign to the gtx 460 1 gig)

also yes either would be a good match for your system

side note... jjb i honestly stop being able to tell is a game is any smoother after around 25 fps, at that point its smooth to me i have good vision 20/10 in one eye, 20/8 in the other, but if it dips below that it does show... and the 450 can play crysis at least at my res max settings however at much more you're right there would be stuttering; honestly i think youre confusing a 450 with a 430 though... that would be the current useless outside a htpc card right now


wow well i can def tell a difference between 25 and say 50, and no im not talkng about the 430, and how can you even begin to argue and gauge performance when you yourself are basing it of a 1280X1024 display, crank it up to high res and the frame drop will be even worse. Ive played at 30 fps and at 60 fps and the higher is way better and noticable. over 60 yeah, you cant tell much of a difference but who doesnt use vsync anyways. Instead of eyeballing things, use something liek fraps so you know where your fps actually lies and your not just telling yourself that you are getting great performance
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December 2, 2010 3:24:37 PM

i realise some peopole say they can tell the difference, i am probably just to accostomed to my old 8500GT (now THAT was a useless card X.x) with its 3-5 fps

and at my resolution of 1280x1024 that uis mas rex for my monitor i can't go any bigger unless i hook it up to a 1080p tv, i just haven't really justified geting a enw monitor yet wehn i'd ratehr ptu tha tmoney at my morgatge to get tha tpaid off... its priorities my tax return will go at a better monitor and video card though :D 
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December 2, 2010 3:28:21 PM

g00fysmiley said:
i realise some peopole say they can tell the difference, i am probably just to accostomed to my old 8500GT (now THAT was a useless card X.x) with its 3-5 fps

and at my resolution of 1280x1024 that uis mas rex for my monitor i can't go any bigger unless i hook it up to a 1080p tv, i just haven't really justified geting a enw monitor yet wehn i'd ratehr ptu tha tmoney at my morgatge to get tha tpaid off... its priorities my tax return will go at a better monitor and video card though :D 



right on i here what your saying and really 1280X1024 is a great res for gaming, one of the most popular
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December 2, 2010 3:30:34 PM

i have a 8600 gts 256mb as a backup card for example and even at low res it struggles with everythign except valve games such as tf2 and oblivion, also i play some nba 2k11 with it in my backup rig, but any modern shooter or modern dx10 or 11 title simply plays like crap even at low res, that is no surprise to me.
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December 2, 2010 3:32:34 PM

yea... its ok, i'm giving it to my sister thoguh she still has a crt on a old hand me down pc and i'm aiming at a 24 inch asus 1080p monitor and probably a gtx 460 1 gig possibly a 6850 but i mostly play wow which prefers nvidia cards
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December 2, 2010 3:39:45 PM

g00fysmiley said:
yea... its ok, i'm giving it to my sister thoguh she still has a crt on a old hand me down pc and i'm aiming at a 24 inch asus 1080p monitor and probably a gtx 460 1 gig possibly a 6850 but i mostly play wow which prefers nvidia cards



there ya go that will work, personally I would go a little higher for 1080p but no doubt those cards will do the job but in some games at that res you will be dialing down certain things for sure, but wow should run great.
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