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January 31, 2005 2:11:52 AM

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Been fighting with trying to get decent color balance with this thing. I've
been using an 8200 for years using "auto" with no corrections in the driver
and using the "printer color management" setting in PS, it has always
looked just like the screen. Nice skin tones from in camera images on 2
different cameras etc. These same files print nice at the lab using no
corrections. They might need a tweak now and then to be "perfect" but it's
always pretty close to good first shot.

With this new printer, every print has a =strong= magenta cast. Not a
"tweak" but a really strong one. I tried different ICM files inside PS
turning off the ICM in the printer driver exactly like the canon ICM PDF
file explains to do if not using auto, same thing as using auto. Tried ICM
files from Ilford (even though I'm not using their paper) and got a
slightly different version of this same cast so it IS reading the ICM file
I tell it to use. If I manually set the printer driver to -30 mageneta
turning off ICM in the driver and setting the canon ICM in PS, it's getting
close but seems odd a printer would be this far off out of the box. I'm
using canon paper and ink, have the driver set to use this specific paper
etc. I can't believe they all are like this.

The other thing that seems odd, if I do a "soft proof" with the ICM file for
my old 8200, it doesn't change the image much at all. If I do it with this
new printer, it drastically changes it. Is that normal? If this is the
case, am I going to have to manually color balance every shot using this
soft proof? If so, this things going back and I'll wait for the new epson
2200 replacement.
--

Stacey
Anonymous
January 31, 2005 7:03:48 PM

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Stacey wrote:
> Been fighting with trying to get decent color balance with this thing. I've
> been using an 8200 for years using "auto" with no corrections in the driver
> and using the "printer color management" setting in PS, it has always
> looked just like the screen. Nice skin tones from in camera images on 2
> different cameras etc. These same files print nice at the lab using no
> corrections. They might need a tweak now and then to be "perfect" but it's
> always pretty close to good first shot.
>
> With this new printer, every print has a =strong= magenta cast. Not a
> "tweak" but a really strong one. I tried different ICM files inside PS
> turning off the ICM in the printer driver exactly like the canon ICM PDF
> file explains to do if not using auto, same thing as using auto. Tried ICM
> files from Ilford (even though I'm not using their paper) and got a
> slightly different version of this same cast so it IS reading the ICM file
> I tell it to use. If I manually set the printer driver to -30 mageneta
> turning off ICM in the driver and setting the canon ICM in PS, it's getting
> close but seems odd a printer would be this far off out of the box. I'm
> using canon paper and ink, have the driver set to use this specific paper
> etc. I can't believe they all are like this.
>
> The other thing that seems odd, if I do a "soft proof" with the ICM file for
> my old 8200, it doesn't change the image much at all. If I do it with this
> new printer, it drastically changes it. Is that normal? If this is the
> case, am I going to have to manually color balance every shot using this
> soft proof? If so, this things going back and I'll wait for the new epson
> 2200 replacement.
----------------
This is not the forum for this sort of problem but now you are here...
Whenever you get a magenta cast in any output to a printer from
Photoshop or Photopaint it is because you are managing colour twice.

Turn off colour management under Photoshop altogether and see if the
same thing happens. I'm betting it won't. Try using one of the Photoshop
groups for more precise information.

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January 31, 2005 7:03:49 PM

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Deciple of EOS wrote:

> This is not the forum for this sort of problem but now you are here...

Sorry where is a place to ask this? I tried a couple of printer forums and
got similar responces, I have already tried to make &^* sure I wasn't
managing color twice. Isn't using "printer color managment" as the print
space turning it off in PS? The source is sRGB space, are you saying I
should set the printer color space to same as document?

> Whenever you get a magenta cast in any output to a printer from
> Photoshop or Photopaint it is because you are managing colour twice.

Hmm I've used these exact same setting ("use printer management" and then
"auto" in the printer driver) with my canon 8200 and it prints fine. I then
tried setiing in PS the printer ICM as the printer source and then turned
off ICM and told it "none" for a profile like canon's instructions said to
do in the printer driver which is supposed to turn off color management in
the printer driver and got the exact same output. Frustrating...

>
> Turn off colour management under Photoshop altogether and see if the
> same thing happens. I'm betting it won't.

I'll give that a shot but I thought I'm already doing that by setting the
printer source as "printer color management"? I guess I can try setting the
print space as "same as source" and see what happens..

--

Stacey
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Anonymous
January 31, 2005 7:03:49 PM

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Efr beat me to it. Check your cartridges, and make sure they are in
order and correct, like not having a second magenta in the *photo*
magenta slot..

After that I would uninstall PS (and all of its setting files)
completely, and the printer driver. Then re-install and make sure
nothing is color managing, and try it in that mode before doing
anything.

I have the 9100, and it was remarkably accurate out-of-the-box.
Because I like to print from many different programs, I don't use PS
color management at all.
January 31, 2005 7:03:50 PM

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Stacey wrote:

>> Turn off colour management under Photoshop altogether and see if the
>> same thing happens. I'm betting it won't.
>
> I'll give that a shot but I thought I'm already doing that by setting the
> printer source as "printer color management"? I guess I can try setting
> the print space as "same as source" and see what happens..
>

Just tried it which should be sending it without touching anything about the
image and it looks exactly the same..

--

Stacey
January 31, 2005 7:03:50 PM

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chrlz@go.com wrote:

> Efr beat me to it. Check your cartridges, and make sure they are in
> order and correct, like not having a second magenta in the *photo*
> magenta slot..

Just double checked and they are all in the right slots. Also seems weird
all the other inks are almost full except the photo magenta/cyan which are
3/4 empty? I'm guessing the cyan is so low from trying to balance the "too
much magenta" thing?

>
> After that I would uninstall PS (and all of its setting files)
> completely, and the printer driver. Then re-install and make sure
> nothing is color managing, and try it in that mode before doing
> anything.

I haven't tried printing from other software, I'll try that tonight. I've
already wasted a TON of paper trying to get this dialed in. :-(

>
> I have the 9100, and it was remarkably accurate out-of-the-box.
>

That's why I am thinking something may be wrong with it. NOBODY would accept
these pink/magenta prints this thing is producing out of the box, my $60
epson C84 has better color balance than this thing is producing..
--

Stacey
Anonymous
January 31, 2005 7:03:51 PM

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I had the "magenta" problem: I had one cartridge misplaced.
Check the canon web site tech support: when I reported my problem, the first
or second question they asked was about the order of the cartridges and my
problem was fixed in less than 1 minute.
I am extremely happy with my printer
"Stacey" <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Stacey wrote:
>
> >> Turn off colour management under Photoshop altogether and see if the
> >> same thing happens. I'm betting it won't.
> >
> > I'll give that a shot but I thought I'm already doing that by setting
the
> > printer source as "printer color management"? I guess I can try setting
> > the print space as "same as source" and see what happens..
> >
>
> Just tried it which should be sending it without touching anything about
the
> image and it looks exactly the same..
>
> --
>
> Stacey
Anonymous
January 31, 2005 7:03:51 PM

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"Stacey" <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Just double checked and they are all in the right slots. Also seems
> weird
> all the other inks are almost full except the photo magenta/cyan
> which are
> 3/4 empty? I'm guessing the cyan is so low from trying to balance
> the "too
> much magenta" thing?

The PC and PM are the first to go, and they go fast.

>>
>> After that I would uninstall PS (and all of its setting files)
>> completely, and the printer driver. Then re-install and make sure
>> nothing is color managing, and try it in that mode before doing
>> anything.
>
> I haven't tried printing from other software, I'll try that tonight.
> I've
> already wasted a TON of paper trying to get this dialed in. :-(

Try printing with the Canon software that came with the printer.
Also read over on the Printers forum at
http://forums.dpreview.com
.... as there are others that have had similar problems.

At first my i9900 also had a magenta cast on all canon papers except
matte which had a yellow cast. After reading that canon icc pdf and
turning everything off in the printer driver and only selecting the
paper profile in PS CS everything works fine now. I have heard the
also doing the print preview in the canon printer driver for some
reason causes color problems for some, so I always leave that option
disabled.
Anonymous
January 31, 2005 7:03:52 PM

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never mind, i see you've already posted on dpreview
Anonymous
January 31, 2005 11:13:23 PM

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Stacey wrote:
> Been fighting with trying to get decent color balance with this thing. I've
> been using an 8200 for years using "auto" with no corrections in the driver
> and using the "printer color management" setting in PS, it has always
> looked just like the screen. Nice skin tones from in camera images on 2
> different cameras etc. These same files print nice at the lab using no
> corrections. They might need a tweak now and then to be "perfect" but it's
> always pretty close to good first shot.
>

Don't use ICM in PS AND in the printer driver. In PS use sRGB as source and
Printer Colour Management for output.

Don't check the ICM box in the printer driver.
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Anonymous
February 1, 2005 12:18:17 AM

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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:11:52 -0500, Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Been fighting with trying to get decent color balance with this thing. I've
>been using an 8200 for years using "auto" with no corrections in the driver
>and using the "printer color management" setting in PS, it has always
>looked just like the screen. Nice skin tones from in camera images on 2
>different cameras etc. These same files print nice at the lab using no
>corrections. They might need a tweak now and then to be "perfect" but it's
>always pretty close to good first shot.
>
>With this new printer, every print has a =strong= magenta cast. Not a
>"tweak" but a really strong one. I tried different ICM files inside PS
>turning off the ICM in the printer driver exactly like the canon ICM PDF
>file explains to do if not using auto, same thing as using auto. Tried ICM
>files from Ilford (even though I'm not using their paper) and got a
>slightly different version of this same cast so it IS reading the ICM file
>I tell it to use. If I manually set the printer driver to -30 mageneta
>turning off ICM in the driver and setting the canon ICM in PS, it's getting
>close but seems odd a printer would be this far off out of the box. I'm
>using canon paper and ink, have the driver set to use this specific paper
>etc. I can't believe they all are like this.
>
>The other thing that seems odd, if I do a "soft proof" with the ICM file for
>my old 8200, it doesn't change the image much at all. If I do it with this
>new printer, it drastically changes it. Is that normal? If this is the
>case, am I going to have to manually color balance every shot using this
>soft proof? If so, this things going back and I'll wait for the new epson
>2200 replacement.


You don't really need to worry about ICM
except if you "default" on specifying
specific color spaces along the way.

Typically you need to make two choices: a
color space to use as a workspace, and a
profile to use for your output device (ie.,
the Canon 9900.) There is also a monitor
profile to consider. You can generate that
either with Adobe Gamma or a dedicated
monitor profiling device (eg., Spyder
or Gretag Eye-One.)

That said, I would (as an experiment
toward debugging this problem) set the
working space to sRGB and print with
no output profile at all, using all
default settings in the printer driver.

[Why? Because sRGB is the lowest
common denominator, and most devices
are built to use or generate sRGB
by default.]

A Canon 9900 or any other modern
desktop printer, using OEM media,
should print nicely with no color
management at all -- assuming the
image itself is free of color casts.

I'd also suggest using Canon media,
at least for starters, and making sure
to indicate the proper paper type in
the print driver. Using an off-brand
(or even "high end") paper at this
stage of the game is asking for
trouble.

As others have mentioned, there could
be an outage in one or more inks --
but that can be proven/disproven with
a simple nozzle check. (And usually
shows up as nasty banding in the prints.)

What are the R/G/B/ values of pure
whites in the image you're trying to
print? How about the blacks and
neutrals? White, black and neutral
tones should have equal values of
red, green and blue (within, say,
five points out of 256.)

Can you post a JPG of the image you're
trying to print? It needn't be full-res --
a few hundred pixels on a side might tell
us something.


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com
February 1, 2005 1:33:24 AM

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:54:37 -0500
In message <36631dF4upv25U1@individual.net>
Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Deciple of EOS wrote:
>
> > This is not the forum for this sort of problem but now you are here...
>
> Sorry where is a place to ask this?

This is the place. Deciple's comment is bunk. :) 

Jeff
February 1, 2005 3:35:37 AM

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Markeau wrote:

>
> At first my i9900 also had a magenta cast on all canon papers except
> matte which had a yellow cast. After reading that canon icc pdf and
> turning everything off in the printer driver and only selecting the
> paper profile in PS CS everything works fine now.

I'm doing this now, also using a "soft proof" using the canon icc and
adjusting the "proof"in the canon color space to look like a copy of the
original is sRGB color space and that seems to work. Guess I can live with
this as the prints do look REALLY good from this printer.
--

Stacey
February 1, 2005 3:45:42 AM

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rafe bustin wrote:

>
> That said, I would (as an experiment
> toward debugging this problem) set the
> working space to sRGB and print with
> no output profile at all, using all
> default settings in the printer driver.
>

Still looks weird, that's what I did to start with and have been
experimenting from there.

>
> A Canon 9900 or any other modern
> desktop printer, using OEM media,
> should print nicely with no color
> management at all -- assuming the
> image itself is free of color casts.

I tried the fuji test jpeg and it still looks too magenta to me.

>
> I'd also suggest using Canon media,
> at least for starters, and making sure

Yea I figured this, I'm using canon's paper.


What I ended up doing was using the "soft proof" setup in PS using the canon
ICC profile for this paper. When I switch to this soft proof mode with this
canon supplied ICC profile, the proof also shifts to the same magenta the
prints did. If I color balance this proof to the original and then print,
it comes out perfect. What's odd is I downloaded the ilford paper's ICC
profile and doing a soft proof with it, the colors don't shift. Does this
mean that maybe with Ilford paper I wouldn't have this magenta color shift?
I admit I may be being -extreamly- picky about this but after doing my own
color darkroom printing for years I know when the colors don't look like I
want them to. I guess this has taught me how to use the "soft proof"
thingie in PS. I suppose =that= was worth the wasted paper and ink! :-)
--

Stacey
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 4:47:41 AM

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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 00:45:42 -0500, Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:


>What I ended up doing was using the "soft proof" setup in PS using the canon
>ICC profile for this paper. When I switch to this soft proof mode with this
>canon supplied ICC profile, the proof also shifts to the same magenta the
>prints did. If I color balance this proof to the original and then print,
>it comes out perfect. What's odd is I downloaded the ilford paper's ICC
>profile and doing a soft proof with it, the colors don't shift. Does this
>mean that maybe with Ilford paper I wouldn't have this magenta color shift?
>I admit I may be being -extreamly- picky about this but after doing my own
>color darkroom printing for years I know when the colors don't look like I
>want them to. I guess this has taught me how to use the "soft proof"
>thingie in PS. I suppose =that= was worth the wasted paper and ink! :-)


A few observations for what they're worth.


1. I worked for years without using ICC based
"color management" (aka profiles.) It is
possible, but it's not a popular approach.
It relies on setting white points, black
points, and neutrals numerically in Photoshop,
using the Info tool to measure RGB values.
One advantage is that it removes any
dependency on monitor accuracy or calibration.

Working this way, I occasionally had issues
with gamma (brightness/contrast) but never,
ever with color casts.

2. When I use soft proofing, I almost never
see a significant color shift. In fact, it's
been my experience that a strong color shift
(from soft proofing) is almost always due to
a poor output profile.

3. An output profile depends on a very specific
setup in the print driver. The specific settings
need to be provided with the profile. If you
don't use exactly those driver settings, the
profile is null and void.

4. No ICC output profile can work when the
print driver is allowed to do "automatic"
corrections to the image.

5. You haven't said much about how you're
calibrating your monitor.


Bottom line -- I'm a bit suspicious of your
described "solution," but if it works for you,
who am I to argue...



rafe b.
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February 1, 2005 4:54:34 AM

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rafe bustin wrote:


>
> 2. When I use soft proofing, I almost never
> see a significant color shift. In fact, it's
> been my experience that a strong color shift
> (from soft proofing) is almost always due to
> a poor output profile.

I agree. I tried "soft proof" profiles from my other printer and get no
color shift. And also never saw any color shift in printing. But now I do
get some color shift when printing with this new printer, I get color shift
when soft proofing using the supplied ICC profile that is exactly the same
amount? Makes sense to me this printer/paper combo has a color shift if
it's seen in the profile soft proofing and in printing.


>
> 3. An output profile depends on a very specific
> setup in the print driver. The specific settings
> need to be provided with the profile.

They are, basically you set the type of paper, quality and turn off ALL
color controls in the driver. They supply 4 different ICC profiles for
different quality settings and canon paper types.

>
> 4. No ICC output profile can work when the
> print driver is allowed to do "automatic"
> corrections to the image.

No doubt. The automatic setting were shifting magenta just like the soft
proof does. I'm thinking that I can probably use this "color shifted" soft
proof and if sent with the printer in auto, it will look fine since it's
set to use this ICC profile if the correct paper and quality is set as
well.

If you would, I could send you the ICC profile and let you see what it does
on your system soft proofing as far as a color shift? If you also see this
magenta shift soft proofing, I know this is just something this
paper/ink/printer combo does. Like I said the ilford ICC profile for this
same printer/ink has NO color shift so maybe with that paper this color
shift thing wouldn't be an issue?
--

Stacey
February 1, 2005 11:29:36 AM

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:13:23 GMT
In message <i23mtc.esl.ln@192.168.11.2>
Ben Thomas <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote:

> Don't use ICM in PS AND in the printer driver.
> In PS use sRGB as source and Printer Colour
> Management for output.
>
> Don't check the ICM box in the printer driver.

Does Adobe actually spell it "colour" in your region? <grin>

On a serious note, I thought we were supposed to download and use
paper specific ICM files for each printer. Is this a case of the OS
defaults actually being used properly by applications and drivers?

Jeff
Anonymous
February 1, 2005 12:34:07 PM

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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:54:34 -0500, Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:


>If you would, I could send you the ICC profile and let you see what it does
>on your system soft proofing as far as a color shift? If you also see this
>magenta shift soft proofing, I know this is just something this
>paper/ink/printer combo does. Like I said the ilford ICC profile for this
>same printer/ink has NO color shift so maybe with that paper this color
>shift thing wouldn't be an issue?


Feel free.


rafe
http://www.terrapinphoto.com
February 1, 2005 11:12:56 PM

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rafe bustin wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:54:34 -0500, Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>If you would, I could send you the ICC profile and let you see what it
>>does on your system soft proofing as far as a color shift? If you also see
>>this magenta shift soft proofing, I know this is just something this
>>paper/ink/printer combo does. Like I said the ilford ICC profile for this
>>same printer/ink has NO color shift so maybe with that paper this color
>>shift thing wouldn't be an issue?
>
>
> Feel free.
>
>


Cool, I did discover something interesting. I've been e-mailing canon
support about this and they asked me to try it on "plain paper". I printed
this same image on canon high rez "plain paper" using the high rez settings
in the printer driver with "printer management" set in PS and auto used in
the driver and it comes out perfect without this magenta cast so it appears
something is weird with this "photo pro" canon paper used in this model
printer?
--

Stacey
Anonymous
February 2, 2005 12:35:49 AM

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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:12:56 -0500, Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:

>rafe bustin wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:54:34 -0500, Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If you would, I could send you the ICC profile and let you see what it
>>>does on your system soft proofing as far as a color shift? If you also see
>>>this magenta shift soft proofing, I know this is just something this
>>>paper/ink/printer combo does. Like I said the ilford ICC profile for this
>>>same printer/ink has NO color shift so maybe with that paper this color
>>>shift thing wouldn't be an issue?
>>
>>
>> Feel free.
>>
>>
>
>
>Cool, I did discover something interesting. I've been e-mailing canon
>support about this and they asked me to try it on "plain paper". I printed
>this same image on canon high rez "plain paper" using the high rez settings
>in the printer driver with "printer management" set in PS and auto used in
>the driver and it comes out perfect without this magenta cast so it appears
>something is weird with this "photo pro" canon paper used in this model
>printer?


In that case it's possible you're not using
the profile at all.

The output profile wants to be applied once
and only once. If you "Print With Preview"
and select the ouptut profile from inside PS,
then you have to make sure the print driver
isn't applying the profile again, and that the
driver isn't doing any automatic "correction"
of the image. In particular, that means NOT
using ICM, or sRGB, or any other profile
within the print driver.

You might want to have a quick look at
the following URL for an example of how
it's done with HP printer drivers -- it
may yield a clue or two...

<http://www.neilsnape.com/color/hpdj30130_icc_printing/i...;


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com
February 2, 2005 3:53:17 AM

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rafe bustin wrote:

>
>
> In that case it's possible you're not using
> the profile at all.

I tried uninstalling the driver and reinstalled it to make sure the
defaults were being used, then printed it with the canon easy print
software, same magenta cast. I stopped playing with photo shop to eliminate
that variable and am testing with canon's bundled printing software. If I
print on this photo pro paper and set the driver to high rez, the color
totally changes (almost right but is now a touch blue and a little too
light..), so then I set it as "photo pro" in the driver and used hi rez
paper and get the magenta shift back so this -paper type- setting (not the
paper itself) in the driver is obviously doing the magenta color shift
applying this same "PR1" icm they tell you to use in PS for this photo pro
paper if one wants to print -that- way.

>
> The output profile wants to be applied once
> and only once.

I don't think the canon printing software can apply it twice can it? It
prints like this from any application I've tried, even really basic ones
with no color adjustments.

> If you "Print With Preview"
> and select the ouptut profile from inside PS,
> then you have to make sure the print driver
> isn't applying the profile again,

Tried it both ways, setting it in PS/turning off the driver and vis versa
same result. And I do understand about turning OFF color management in the
driver if you set it in PS.


> You might want to have a quick look at
> the following URL for an example of how
> it's done with HP printer drivers -- it
> may yield a clue or two...
>

Found a PDF specific to this printer using icm inside photoshop written by
canon, no help, same magenta results.

http://homepage.mac.com/renard/ls/Canon_ICC_Profile_Gui...

Maybe canon support can help me? Looks like my only real solution for now is
to color correct a soft proof in PS and print that way. It's a bitch
because the prints this way look fantastic. As little as I print, it may be
worth doing it this way....


--

Stacey
February 2, 2005 8:52:33 AM

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In article <36b86eF4v04naU1@individual.net>, fotocord@yahoo.com says...
> I don't think the canon printing software can apply it twice can it? It
> prints like this from any application I've tried, even really basic ones
> with no color adjustments.
>

The Canon printer software doesn't actually use the driver according to a
Canon tech. I spoke with.

The software talks directly with the printer without the intervention of the
printer driver, so default printer settings make no difference when using the
Canon software.

This came to light while I was on the phone with Canon during a trouble
shooting session on one of my Canon printers.

A QUOTE:

"When having difficulty with color settings, the best way to find out if the
problem is PhotoShop or the Printer is to print the same photo using Canons
software as there is no intervention between the software and the printer by
the driver, the driver is not used".

If the color comes out correct or closer to correct with the Canon software,
then the problem lies with the printer driver settings and/or the color
profile you are using.
--
Larry Lynch
Mystic, Ct.
February 3, 2005 2:22:09 AM

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Larry wrote:

> In article <36b86eF4v04naU1@individual.net>, fotocord@yahoo.com says...
>> I don't think the canon printing software can apply it twice can it?

> A QUOTE:
>
> "When having difficulty with color settings, the best way to find out if
> the problem is PhotoShop or the Printer is to print the same photo using
> Canons software as there is no intervention between the software and the
> printer by the driver, the driver is not used".
>
> If the color comes out correct or closer to correct with the Canon
> software, then the problem lies with the printer driver settings and/or
> the color profile you are using.

So if it prints a known good image weird/magenta using the canon software,
something is wrong with the printer?
--

Stacey
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 8:34:27 PM

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Now I'm getting a magenta cast when printing with PS CS and Elements2,
but the same .psd pic prints fine in ACDSee 7 - am specifying the
exact same Canon paper profile (SP1) in each ...
Anonymous
February 8, 2005 10:00:42 PM

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"Markeau" <please_reply@news.group> wrote in message
news:qoKdncPmc7kQ0ZTfRVn-qQ@giganews.com...
> Now I'm getting a magenta cast when printing with PS CS and
> Elements2, but the same .psd pic prints fine in ACDSee 7 - am
> specifying the exact same Canon paper profile (SP1) in each ...

Changing from Relative Colorimetric to Perceptual (or Saturation)
fixed the magenta cast in this case. The problem area was blue sky
reflected in a creek (and is out of gamut, but I needed to push the
saturation).
!