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Anonymous   01-31-2005 at 06:09:50 AM

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I find the quality of the Epson printers to be great, but how can
anyone afford the inks? Replacement set for the large format 10000 can
run $1200. Even on the smaller printers it seems that EPSON could not
have made the replacement cartridges any smaller.

Does anyone know how long the inks last on the larger cartridges - say
for the 10000, 9500 and 7500 series? I would be curious to know how
many large prints you can get.

Thanks, Jeff

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Anonymous   01-31-2005 at 04:14:45 PM
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chabotphoto wrote:
> I find the quality of the Epson printers to be great, but how can
> anyone afford the inks? Replacement set for the large format 10000 can
> run $1200. Even on the smaller printers it seems that EPSON could not
> have made the replacement cartridges any smaller.
>
> Does anyone know how long the inks last on the larger cartridges - say
> for the 10000, 9500 and 7500 series? I would be curious to know how
> many large prints you can get.
>
> Thanks, Jeff

Epson like all printer manufacturers sell their consumer printers with
no plans to make money on them, but rather to make their money on the
replacement ink carts. When I bought my current printer, I paid more for
the backup set of ink carts than I did for the printer after the sale and
rebates, and the printer came with the same ink!

The EU was doing an investigation into the situation, but I don't recall
hearing any resolution.

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

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Anonymous   01-31-2005 at 02:41:27 PM
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On 31 Jan 2005 00:09:50 -0800, "chabotphoto" <chabotphoto@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I find the quality of the Epson printers to be great, but how can
>anyone afford the inks? Replacement set for the large format 10000 can
>run $1200. Even on the smaller printers it seems that EPSON could not
>have made the replacement cartridges any smaller.
>
>Does anyone know how long the inks last on the larger cartridges - say
>for the 10000, 9500 and 7500 series? I would be curious to know how
>many large prints you can get.


In general the "Pro" model Epsons, using Epson
(OEM) ink, are much cheaper to run than the
desktop models.

Your quoted price of $1200 is much too high.
Atlex charges $140 per cart for the "Archival"
inks for the 10600. Don't forget -- these
carts hold 220 ml of ink. This is about 20x
the ink in the carts for (say) the Epson 2200.

For my Epson 7000, I get the standard Epson
110 ml carts for $35 from Atlex.

There are workarounds for both the pro and
desktop models - these go by various names:
CIS, CFS, etc. CIS = "Continuous ink system"
and costs about $200 for the Epson 1280.

Once you install one of these, ink costs
drop by about 90%. Eg., 4 oz of ink for $8.


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

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Anonymous   01-31-2005 at 02:29:28 PM
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Jeff,

The use and how many prints you can get is all so variable. Different
photos will use different percentages of ink. Most of the people using the
7600, 9600, 10000 are doing this in a business fashion where the cost of
volume of prints pay for the printers and inks so it's less of an issue.

On a typical run I can usually get about 25-30 13x19 prints off the 2200
printer (with a complete full set of carts) before I need to start
switching. Inevitably, one color will be used more than the others (mostly
from what I've seen matte black, light cyan, and light magenta)

CM


On 1/31/05 3:09 AM, in article
1107158990.933862.213480@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "chabotphoto"
<chabotphoto@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I find the quality of the Epson printers to be great, but how can
> anyone afford the inks? Replacement set for the large format 10000 can
> run $1200. Even on the smaller printers it seems that EPSON could not
> have made the replacement cartridges any smaller.
>
> Does anyone know how long the inks last on the larger cartridges - say
> for the 10000, 9500 and 7500 series? I would be curious to know how
> many large prints you can get.
>
> Thanks, Jeff
>

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Anonymous   01-31-2005 at 02:51:54 PM
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>I find the quality of the Epson printers to be great, but ho­w can
> anyone afford the inks?

On a cost per sq. ft basis they are cheap, considering the print
quality.

> Replacement set for the large format­ 10000 can
> run $1200.

As Rafe points out, you can buy them cheaper ... also, you rarely have
to replace ALL of them at once. I have carts in my 4000 that are 6
months old, others that had to be replaced after 3 months, so I just
buy a cart or two each time I order paper, spreading out the ink costs.

> Does anyone know how long the inks last on the larger cartri­dges -
say
> for the 10000, 9500 and 7500 series?

I'm more familiar with the newer Ultrachrome inks, which are available
in 110 ml or 220 ml carts ... with the 110 ml carts I've printed over
150 pages (most of them 11x14 to 16x20" ) and still have ink in six of
the original eight carts.

Here's a chart with info on ink costs, including the printers you
mention http://www.inkjetart.com/pro/7600_9600/cost_page.html ... for
the 10000 they show costs as low as 26 cents/sq ft (read the caveats on
the web page though) ... the inks are more costly for the consumer
grade printers like the 2200 because there isn't as much in each cart,
but for the large Pro models that take 110 and 220 ml carts the cost
per sq/ft is a lot lower.

Bill

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Anonymous   02-01-2005 at 04:24:51 AM
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In article <pynLd.72042$re1.65781@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote:

> chabotphoto wrote:
> > I find the quality of the Epson printers to be great, but how can
> > anyone afford the inks? Replacement set for the large format 10000 can
> > run $1200. Even on the smaller printers it seems that EPSON could not
> > have made the replacement cartridges any smaller.
> >
> > Does anyone know how long the inks last on the larger cartridges - say
> > for the 10000, 9500 and 7500 series? I would be curious to know how
> > many large prints you can get.
> >
> > Thanks, Jeff
>
> Epson like all printer manufacturers sell their consumer printers with
> no plans to make money on them, but rather to make their money on the
> replacement ink carts. When I bought my current printer, I paid more for
> the backup set of ink carts than I did for the printer after the sale and
> rebates, and the printer came with the same ink!
>
> The EU was doing an investigation into the situation, but I don't recall
> hearing any resolution.

The EU investigation was related to the anti-refill chip in the
cartridges and Epson's lawsuits against companies that simulated them.
It's perfectly legal to charge outrageous amounts of money for ink but
their anti-competitive actions appeared to be illegal. I didn't follow
it closely, but I think the outcome was that Epson can keep using
anti-refill chips and ink competitors can keep using proper reverse
engineering techniques to create chips that simulate them. No more
lawsuits.

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Anonymous   02-01-2005 at 08:03:34 PM
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Joseph Meehan <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Epson like all printer manufacturers sell their consumer printers with
>no plans to make money on them, but rather to make their money on the
>replacement ink carts. When I bought my current printer, I paid more for
>the backup set of ink carts than I did for the printer after the sale and
>rebates, and the printer came with the same ink!

Save money: Buy two printers, throw out the second one and use its ink.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

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Anonymous   02-01-2005 at 11:24:29 PM
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Ray Fischer wrote:
> Joseph Meehan <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Epson like all printer manufacturers sell their consumer printers
>> with no plans to make money on them, but rather to make their money
>> on the replacement ink carts. When I bought my current printer, I
>> paid more for the backup set of ink carts than I did for the printer
>> after the sale and rebates, and the printer came with the same ink!
>
> Save money: Buy two printers, throw out the second one and use its
> ink.

I thought about that, especially since the ink was in short supply, but
one one rebate per person. :-)

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

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