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December 5, 2010 12:34:39 PM

Ok, so this is a set up for a build I am planning for December this year.

-With these specs, will it all be compatible ?

-Does the EVGA graphics card work with the Gigabyte Mobo ?

-Will it do good for alot of video editing , photoshoping , gaming ?

-Also, I need a monitor, that can have full HD, and that can have inputs for my pc, and xbox...So HDMI , VGA , etc... What monitor do you recommend ?

-I've heard that an IPS monitor is much better for video editing etc... This true ?

Thanks :)  Waiting for some replies !

Here is the build:

CPU: Core i7 950 Bloomfield
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/30799/INTEL-Core-i7-950-...

RAM: 2Kits of: G.SKILL KIT 6GB 3X2GB DDR3 16000Mhz
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/29033/GSKILL-KIT-6GB-3X2... )

GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX460 Superclocked
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/31076/EVGA-GeForce-GTX46...

Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD5
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/28830/GIGABYTE-GA-X58A-U...

HD: SEAGATE 1TB SATA II 32MB 7200 RPM - ST31000528AS
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/25007/SEAGATE-1TB-SATA-I...

PSU: CORSAIR ATX TX750W SLI 120mm - CMPSU-750TX
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/28516/CORSAIR-ATX-TX750W...

Optical: ASUS DVDRW 24X LightScribe SATA Preto e Branco - DRW-24B1LT
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/27892/ASUS-DVDRW-24X-Lig...

Case ANTEC Three Hundred
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/27778/ANTEC-Three-Hundre...
December 5, 2010 2:06:43 PM

wiinippongamer said:
It all will be compatible and it will play a lot of games and run anything you want.


Nothing beats LED quality: http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/monitors/LS24B5HVFH/...


With a PC like that you won't miss your xbox, trust me.


Is this one good ?
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/monitors/LS22CLUSFY/...

5ms response time is enough for gaming and video editing ?

Or is this one better ?
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/monitors/LS22B5HVFH/...

I am aiming for the 21.5'' Looks good ! :)  And its cheap
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December 5, 2010 2:11:51 PM

Oh the 21.5'' doesnt have HDMI :(  need to find another one...
a c 173 U Graphics card
December 5, 2010 2:31:10 PM

I would try a much better drive then that. 1TB may sound like a lot but it isn't. I do a Lot of both and 1TB is easily to waste when building large videos and keeping a library of other video files for later you will want more. Second Seagate is terrible when it comes to quality and Maxtor is to be avoided regardless of cost. There are 2TB WD blacks floating around and less spacious models are much cheaper plus they are good performers. As for the card you can use it with Cuda supported apps to encode large videos that would normally may take up to several hours on a standard cpu.
December 5, 2010 2:43:39 PM

nforce4max said:
I would try a much better drive then that. 1TB may sound like a lot but it isn't. I do a Lot of both and 1TB is easily to waste when building large videos and keeping a library of other video files for later you will want more. Second Seagate is terrible when it comes to quality and Maxtor is to be avoided regardless of cost. There are 2TB WD blacks floating around and less spacious models are much cheaper plus they are good performers. As for the card you can use it with Cuda supported apps to encode large videos that would normally may take up to several hours on a standard cpu.


Western Digital wont show up on the website for some reason. I know 1TB isnt enough, but I was going to upgrade later and add another one or so... So , what hard drive do you recommend besides WD ?

And when you said drive , did you mean the optical ? :S

Yeah , I'm getting Nvidia for the CUDA support :) 

thanks for reply ;) 
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2010 2:51:41 PM

nforce4max said:
I would try a much better drive then that. 1TB may sound like a lot but it isn't. I do a Lot of both and 1TB is easily to waste when building large videos and keeping a library of other video files for later you will want more. Second Seagate is terrible when it comes to quality and Maxtor is to be avoided regardless of cost. There are 2TB WD blacks floating around and less spacious models are much cheaper plus they are good performers. As for the card you can use it with Cuda supported apps to encode large videos that would normally may take up to several hours on a standard cpu.




It's the complete opposite for me regarding seagate and WD, yes they messed up with the 7200.11 but before that and now the 7200.12 they're all great reliable drives, never had a seagate or maxtor fail on me.

WD has been going downhill for some time, i've had two 500gb blues fail on me in less than 6 months.


Oh, and I'd get this one: http://www.samsung.com/us/business/monitors/LS22X3HKFP/... had HDMI input and 5.000.000:1 dynamic contrast ratio vs 1.000.000:1 that the other one has, even though most of those contrast ratio stuff is BS
December 5, 2010 3:16:12 PM

wiinippongamer said:
It's the complete opposite for me regarding seagate and WD, yes they messed up with the 7200.11 but before that and now the 7200.12 they're all great reliable drives, never had a seagate or maxtor fail on me.

WD has been going downhill for some time, i've had two 500gb blues fail on me in less than 6 months.


Oh, and I'd get this one: http://www.samsung.com/us/business/monitors/LS22X3HKFP/... had HDMI input and 5.000.000:1 dynamic contrast ratio vs 1.000.000:1 that the other one has, even though most of those contrast ratio stuff is BS



Yeah , I'm aiming for that one :)  I have a few questions tho...
Ok , so , my rig would connect to that with no problems right ?

And another thing , my xbox... Its the old xbox 360 , the first one that came out. The Core one. It has no HDMI , I THINK , it only has VGA. Since the Monitor only has HDMI and DVI , would I be able to connect somehow the VGA to HDMI ? Like an adaptor ? The quality would be affected right ? But if it goes at least to 720p or 1080i I would be happy. Opinions ? :) 
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2010 3:50:55 PM

You can buy a cheap VGA to HDMI adapter, there shouldn't be any quality loss as long as the adapter is decent quality.



December 5, 2010 4:27:39 PM

wiinippongamer said:
You can buy a cheap VGA to HDMI adapter, there shouldn't be any quality loss as long as the adapter is decent quality.


Not that simple. But putting aside the xbox for now , the PC , that connects to the monitor. Is it HDMI to HDMI ?
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2010 4:42:41 PM

The monitor has HDMI, VGA, DVI and even composite, you can use any of that.
December 5, 2010 4:57:43 PM

wiinippongamer said:
The monitor has HDMI, VGA, DVI and even composite, you can use any of that.


do cables come with computer parts ?
a c 173 U Graphics card
December 5, 2010 5:23:34 PM

wiinippongamer said:
It's the complete opposite for me regarding seagate and WD, yes they messed up with the 7200.11 but before that and now the 7200.12 they're all great reliable drives, never had a seagate or maxtor fail on me.

WD has been going downhill for some time, i've had two 500gb blues fail on me in less than 6 months.


Oh, and I'd get this one: http://www.samsung.com/us/business/monitors/LS22X3HKFP/... had HDMI input and 5.000.000:1 dynamic contrast ratio vs 1.000.000:1 that the other one has, even though most of those contrast ratio stuff is BS


I got stacks of dead and failing seagate and maxtor drives. Had one maxtor go blue smoke on me once.
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2010 5:48:08 PM

cr3at1on said:
do cables come with computer parts ?



the monitor usually comes with a DVI cable or VGA cable, the graphics card comes with a DVI->VGA adapter
December 5, 2010 7:04:58 PM

nforce4max said:
I got stacks of dead and failing seagate and maxtor drives. Had one maxtor go blue smoke on me once.


Know you both got me really messed up on this topic :/ 
December 5, 2010 7:17:51 PM

wiinippongamer said:
the monitor usually comes with a DVI cable or VGA cable, the graphics card comes with a DVI->VGA adapter


Okay , so I wont need alot of extra cabels to buy... :)  Or would I ? Is it hard to setup you're pc after you have all the parts ?
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2010 9:35:02 PM

No it isn't, just be careful of discharging all your static before touching unprotected components like the cpu, have a good airflow in your case
December 5, 2010 9:43:23 PM

wiinippongamer said:
No it isn't, just be careful of discharging all your static before touching unprotected components like the cpu, have a good airflow in your case



Could you answer me some questions ? Thanks :) 

1: Does it fit in the case ?

2: Can I buy another GTX460 later on and SLI ?

3: What cooler should I get ?

4: I also need wireless , how do I get it ?

5: Also , I'm going to use 5.1 Surround Speakers , does the normal sound card suport that ?

6: I wanna get another 1tb internal hard drive later. Is the one I choose good ?? Cuse ive seen other models of seagate 1tb drives , very different , money/etc... Can I put 2 of them In this build ?
a b U Graphics card
December 5, 2010 11:36:18 PM

1.Yes it will

2. Yes you can

3. This: http://coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6603 by far the best bang for your buck

4. I've had this for years and it's very reliable, has a pretty good reach and speed: http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1...

5. Yes it does, it supports up to 8 channel or 7.1.

6. All the 7200.12 are pretty good drives, the one you chose is no exception, I have the 500gb and it's pretty quiet and the temperature is only 2 degrees higher than the ambient.
December 6, 2010 7:28:41 PM

wiinippongamer said:
1.Yes it will

2. Yes you can

3. This: http://coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6603 by far the best bang for your buck

4. I've had this for years and it's very reliable, has a pretty good reach and speed: http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1...

5. Yes it does, it supports up to 8 channel or 7.1.

6. All the 7200.12 are pretty good drives, the one you chose is no exception, I have the 500gb and it's pretty quiet and the temperature is only 2 degrees higher than the ambient.



Thanks for the response :) 
The wireless doesn't support Windows 7 , which is the one I'm planning to use...:( 
a c 173 U Graphics card
December 6, 2010 9:54:59 PM

wiinippongamer said:
1.Yes it will

2. Yes you can

3. This: http://coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6603 by far the best bang for your buck

4. I've had this for years and it's very reliable, has a pretty good reach and speed: http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1...

5. Yes it does, it supports up to 8 channel or 7.1.

6. All the 7200.12 are pretty good drives, the one you chose is no exception, I have the 500gb and it's pretty quiet and the temperature is only 2 degrees higher than the ambient.


Since most of my maxtors and seagates have only been crap.


:lol: 

Oh well.
December 6, 2010 9:59:01 PM

nforce4max said:
Since most of my maxtors and seagates have only been crap.


I guess it really relies on luck. I've read so many reviews... WD rocks , seagate sucks. Or Seagate rocks , WD sucks. So I'll go for the cheapest one. Seagate. Anyways , thanks ;) 
December 6, 2010 11:09:19 PM

As someone who recently built a video editing rig, I would like to give you some tips.

Firstly, you can save a LOT on your motherboard by going with either the ASUS P6X58D-E or Gigabyte UD3R, you also may not need 12GB as it's way overkill right now, your RAM Timings should be in the vicinity of 7-7-7-24, yours have CL9.

I highly recommend that you look into getting a 470 instead of a 460.
( I purchased a 460 originally, and later upgraded to a 470 and couldn't be happier. )

Read this review to understand CUDA-Accelerated, And Threaded Performance:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adobe-cs5-cuda-64-b...

---------

A little background for going with a 470 instead of a 460:

"For GF104, NVIDIA removed FP64 from only 2 of the 3 blocks of CUDA cores. As a result 1 block of 16 CUDA cores is FP64 capable, while the other 2 are not. This gives NVIDIA the advantage of being able to employ smaller CUDA cores for 32 of the 48 CUDA cores in each SM while not removing FP64 entirely. Because only 1 block of CUDA cores has FP64 capabilities and in turn executes FP64 instructions at 1/4 FP32 performance (handicapped from a native 1/2), GF104 will not be a FP64 monster."

In other words double precision performance took a rather severe hit with gf104, in comparison to gf100. Nvidia also switched to a superscalar execution process with gf104, which is a method of extracting instruction level parallelism (ILP) from a thread, as opposed to thread level parallelism (TLP) implemented in gf100. Again, this tends to benefit gaming efficiency/performance more so then compute performance. You can read more about these architectural tweaks in the linked article below:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-...

The only 470 I would recommend is this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This card was $399 not that long ago, it's quiet, and runs very cool. I've yet to see it go over 70C with its max overclock and FULL LOAD. In fact I've seen it as low as 62 on full loads, and as low as 50C in Premiere.

If you can wait it out, the 470's may be going lower in price in the coming weeks, with the release of the 570 tomorrow, and upcoming 69xx release next week.

I have noticed a difference in Premiere as well, all depends on what you're editing.

You will see significant performance gains when dealing with larger HD files for example.

Plus, if you're going to be gaming, this card overclocks VERY WELL.

I wanted to do benchmarks of the 460 vs the 470, and when I started the process I put an ad out on Kijiji to sell my 460, and it was gone within 2 hours, I didn't expect to sell it that quickly!

---------

Out of curiosity, I started benchmarking some games to see what type of gains this card yields, and here's a benchmark I did last night.

You will see the settings below, the Fans were at 65% for the 2nd OC, 61% for 1st OC, and only 45% at stock.

All other reviews have the fans as high as 86%, which is VERY loud.

a b U Graphics card
December 7, 2010 1:04:16 AM

The gtx 470 is a riduculously power inefficient, hot running expensive card, don't get it.


I have the exact same wireless card for win7 x64 without a single problem, msi doesn't provide proper drivers on their page but Ralink( the actual maker of the chip) does, just let windows find the drivers itself, That's what I did and it works like a charm.


"I guess it really relies on luck."

Exactly.
December 7, 2010 1:13:25 AM

Umm, is 63C on FULL Load hot? With only 65% fan, running @ 850-1700-1900 Overclock?

This card also idles at 32C, and only 40% fan, and is no louder than my GTX 460 1GB Cyclone which it replaced.

Plus, did you bother to read what I wrote? The 470 will have as high as 50% gains in Adobe Premiere vs the 460,
not to mention a TON of other gains in gaming. I've yet to see this card go over 70C on ANY type of FULL LOADS,
and it runs very quiet. Plus, before you claim that it makes the inside of the case very hot, it doesn't, I see a rise
in System Temps of 2 Degrees MAX on full loads. ( I've got the screenshots to prove it )

The 470 I am referring to is THIS one: MSI N470GTX Twin Frozr II

The only 470 I would recommend anyone getting, I KNOW all the others are hot, and the whole heat issue has
been taken out proportion.

AFAIK, the 570 is not an option for video editing rigs, since the compute performance has been taken out of the card,
that card now has 480 performance at a 470 price, which is ideal for gaming rigs, but doesn't apply to this case.

I considered getting a 480 into my rig, since people are selling theirs for as low as $350, but my choice was obvious
for the lighter temps, and noise levels on this card.
December 7, 2010 5:51:47 PM

kg2010 said:
Umm, is 63C on FULL Load hot? With only 65% fan, running @ 850-1700-1900 Overclock?

This card also idles at 32C, and only 40% fan, and is no louder than my GTX 460 1GB Cyclone which it replaced.

Plus, did you bother to read what I wrote? The 470 will have as high as 50% gains in Adobe Premiere vs the 460,
not to mention a TON of other gains in gaming. I've yet to see this card go over 70C on ANY type of FULL LOADS,
and it runs very quiet. Plus, before you claim that it makes the inside of the case very hot, it doesn't, I see a rise
in System Temps of 2 Degrees MAX on full loads. ( I've got the screenshots to prove it )

The 470 I am referring to is THIS one: MSI N470GTX Twin Frozr II

The only 470 I would recommend anyone getting, I KNOW all the others are hot, and the whole heat issue has
been taken out proportion.

AFAIK, the 570 is not an option for video editing rigs, since the compute performance has been taken out of the card,
that card now has 480 performance at a 470 price, which is ideal for gaming rigs, but doesn't apply to this case.

I considered getting a 480 into my rig, since people are selling theirs for as low as $350, but my choice was obvious
for the lighter temps, and noise levels on this card.


Thanks for the whole detailed reply dude , but I'm going for the gtx460 , SLI later. NOW , talking about that RAM you talked about. And mobo. The CL9 Ram wont work ? And will the UD3R work ? Whats the downside ? And 12 Gigs of RAM isn't overkill from what I'm going to work on. But I'm getting 6 Gigs first, and then another kit later on IF I really need it. :) 
December 7, 2010 6:46:38 PM

The type of RAM you should look for is CL7 as it will have better timings. ( 7-7-7-24 are ideal )

The UD3R is a great board in a lot of builds, I personally liked the P6X58D-E, the Sabertooth is also an option for you. Any of those 3 will do at a much better price.

Yea, it's a good idea to get 6 GB first, and then 6 GB after if you really need it.

What video formats are you editing?

Btw, ignore what I said above about the 570 not being an option, I've done research and confirmed that the compute performance is still in place fully, and hasn't been cut down.

The best value for dollar is the 570 right now with 480 CUDA cores. It's cooler, quieter, cheaper 480.

Btw - are you planning to go SLI for gaming, or video editing purposes?

SLI is not recognized in a video editing environment like Premiere, only 1 card is used so going SLI for video editing is pointless, so you want the fastest you can afford from the get go.
December 7, 2010 9:17:00 PM

kg2010 said:
The type of RAM you should look for is CL7 as it will have better timings. ( 7-7-7-24 are ideal )

The UD3R is a great board in a lot of builds, I personally liked the P6X58D-E, the Sabertooth is also an option for you. Any of those 3 will do at a much better price.

Yea, it's a good idea to get 6 GB first, and then 6 GB after if you really need it.

What video formats are you editing?

Btw, ignore what I said above about the 570 not being an option, I've done research and confirmed that the compute performance is still in place fully, and hasn't been cut down.

The best value for dollar is the 570 right now with 480 CUDA cores. It's cooler, quieter, cheaper 480.

Btw - are you planning to go SLI for gaming, or video editing purposes?

SLI is not recognized in a video editing environment like Premiere, only 1 card is used so going SLI for video editing is pointless, so you want the fastest you can afford from the get go.


NanoChip , the website I'm buying from , has no 3x2 CL7 Timed G.Skill ram kits in stock ! :(  I guess I'll have to buy from somewhere else. But thanks for warning me about CL7 :) 

SLI is mostly for gaming , but if it improves video editing also , then great ! :D 
I'm editing HD 1080p video formats why ?
December 7, 2010 10:21:41 PM

CPU: Core i7 950 Bloomfield
http://www.pixmania.com/pt/pt/2953362/art/intel/core-i7...

RAM: GSKILL PC3-12800 6GB PI CL7 (3x2GB) DDR3 16000
http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?products_id=65...

(Will this do ? And if I wanna add another kit of the same later , could I ?)

GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX460 Superclocked
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/31076/EVGA-GeForce-GTX46...

Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD5
http://www.pixmania.com/pt/pt/4782089/art/gigabyte/ga-x...

(If I choose a cheaper one , like one from the ones you said , will I be able to add another 6 Gigs later and Another GPU ? [SLI] )

HD: SEAGATE BARRACUDA 7200.12 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB SATA (ST31000528AS)
http://www.pixmania.com/pt/pt/2763948/art/seagate/disco...

PSU: Corsair TX-750W
http://www.pixmania.com/pt/pt/674940/art/corsair/fonte-...

Optical: ASUS DVDRW 24X LightScribe SATA Preto e Branco - DRW-24B1LT
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/27892/ASUS-DVDRW-24X-Lig...

Case ANTEC Three Hundred
http://www.pixmania.com/pt/pt/1447875/art/antec/caixa-p...

I've choosen the parts , and the cheapest websites. But I think shipping will be too expensive. I think I need to buy from a local store. I just need a goood setup , and then go see if they have the parts. Is this a GOOD build ?
a b U Graphics card
December 7, 2010 11:37:00 PM



RAM: GSKILL PC3-12800 6GB PI CL7 (3x2GB) DDR3 16000
http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?products_id=65...

(Will this do ? And if I wanna add another kit of the same later , could I ?)

Yest it it will, and yes you could, as long as it has 6 memory slots: (ALL x58 mobos do I think)


Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD5
http://www.pixmania.com/pt/pt/4782089/art/gigabyte/ga-x...

(If I choose a cheaper one , like one from the ones you said , will I be able to add another 6 Gigs later and Another GPU ? [SLI] )

Yes you will be able to.


I've choosen the parts , and the cheapest websites. But I think shipping will be too expensive. I think I need to buy from a local store. I just need a goood setup , and then go see if they have the parts. Is this a GOOD build ?[/quotemsg]

It is a DAMN GOOD build.
December 7, 2010 11:56:31 PM

Yes, Yes, and Yes. ;) 

The only thing you're missing is a cooler if you plan to Overclock, running a 950 @ 3.8 - 4.0 GHZ is very doable.

I run mine overclocked @ 4.0 GHZ 24/7, it idles @ 28C and runs at 55C on Full load, 3.8 gives even better temps on full load.

The only other thing I would recommend is a bigger case, perhaps an Antec Nine Hundred Two, or CM 690 II. For this type of build, it's worth it.

Since you are set on the 460, get this card instead:
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/31076/EVGA-GeForce-GTX46...

It Exhausts air to the back of the case, instead of into the case.

Also, I'll say it one last time, SLI will not benefit video editing, because only 1 card is recognized, SLI will only benefit gaming.

The reason I asked what formats you're editing is because with HD video editing, you will notice a significant increase with a 470, and even better performance with a 570, and it would be way better than SLI 460's for gaming too as it is a single card solution, considering the resolution of your monitor, you are better off with the more powerful card from the get go, instead of SLI down the road. Trust me, I made the same mistake originally and bought a 460, sold it, later upgraded to a 470.
December 8, 2010 1:36:29 PM

kg2010 said:
Yes, Yes, and Yes. ;) 

The only thing you're missing is a cooler if you plan to Overclock, running a 950 @ 3.8 - 4.0 GHZ is very doable.

I run mine overclocked @ 4.0 GHZ 24/7, it idles @ 28C and runs at 55C on Full load, 3.8 gives even better temps on full load.

The only other thing I would recommend is a bigger case, perhaps an Antec Nine Hundred Two, or CM 690 II. For this type of build, it's worth it.

Since you are set on the 460, get this card instead:
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/31076/EVGA-GeForce-GTX46...

It Exhausts air to the back of the case, instead of into the case.

Also, I'll say it one last time, SLI will not benefit video editing, because only 1 card is recognized, SLI will only benefit gaming.

The reason I asked what formats you're editing is because with HD video editing, you will notice a significant increase with a 470, and even better performance with a 570, and it would be way better than SLI 460's for gaming too as it is a single card solution, considering the resolution of your monitor, you are better off with the more powerful card from the get go, instead of SLI down the road. Trust me, I made the same mistake originally and bought a 460, sold it, later upgraded to a 470.



Here it zeh cooler :) 
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/28446/COOLER-MASTER-Hype...

I'll check bigger cases then (:

About the graphics card , maybe I'm going were you are saying. But look.

http://www.nanochip.pt/index.aspx?searchToken_NameHF=se...

Those are the only ones available , and aren't those hot and bad as you said yourself before ?
December 8, 2010 2:24:29 PM

kg2010 beat me to the punch ;) 

I'd definitely recommend a bigger case. The three hundred is a very small space to push that much heat around in. If you're planning on doing any overclocking you're going to have nightmares about CPUs lit ablaze. XD

I'd go with an Antec Nine Hundred at least.
December 8, 2010 2:46:52 PM

Psychoteddy said:
kg2010 beat me to the punch ;) 

I'd definitely recommend a bigger case. The three hundred is a very small space to push that much heat around in. If you're planning on doing any overclocking you're going to have nightmares about CPUs lit ablaze. XD

I'd go with an Antec Nine Hundred at least.



Very true from what I read , so Antec 900 it is :) 
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/27773/ANTEC-Nine-Hundred...

Will the cooler , gpu (nvidia gtx460 or gtx470 , havnt decided) , psu , and all other compontents fit ?
December 8, 2010 4:03:17 PM

Yeah, if I were you, I would skip the 460 & 470 and get a single 570 instead.

Be patient, I'm sure they will be out in your area soon, and I'm sure prices will fall with the release of 69xx, and the upcoming holiday deals.

The 570 is essentially a 480 with better cooling, temps, noise levels. Plus, at 1080p even 1920 x 1200, you won't need a 2nd in SLI anytime soon, but I tell you this, if you think that you will ever add a 2nd 570 in the future, then make sure to get an 850 Watt PSU from the get go.

Why would you need to add a 2nd 570?

Only if you plan on gaming at HIGHER resolutions on MAX settings @ 2560 x 1600, otherwise, the 570 will run circles around any game out right now, and SLI is pointless for video editing.

This review sums up the performance levels you can expect:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adobe-cs5-cuda-64-b...

Since this is a brand new build, you might as well get the best performance available right now.

The 570 is 20% - 25% faster than the 470, and it has a $350 price in the U.S. not sure what the prices in Europe will be.

One last thing, yes, everything should fit in that case, and here's your other option as well:
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/28432/COOLER-MASTER-CM69...

What motherboard, cooler and monitor are you getting?

You don't need a UD5, where the P6X58D-E, UD3R, or Sabertooth will do the job.
December 8, 2010 5:28:50 PM

kg2010 said:
Yeah, if I were you, I would skip the 460 & 470 and get a single 570 instead.

Be patient, I'm sure they will be out in your area soon, and I'm sure prices will fall with the release of 69xx, and the upcoming holiday deals.

The 570 is essentially a 480 with better cooling, temps, noise levels. Plus, at 1080p even 1920 x 1200, you won't need a 2nd in SLI anytime soon, but I tell you this, if you think that you will ever add a 2nd 570 in the future, then make sure to get an 850 Watt PSU from the get go.

Why would you need to add a 2nd 570?

Only if you plan on gaming at HIGHER resolutions on MAX settings @ 2560 x 1600, otherwise, the 570 will run circles around any game out right now, and SLI is pointless for video editing.

This review sums up the performance levels you can expect:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adobe-cs5-cuda-64-b...

Since this is a brand new build, you might as well get the best performance available right now.

The 570 is 20% - 25% faster than the 470, and it has a $350 price in the U.S. not sure what the prices in Europe will be.

One last thing, yes, everything should fit in that case, and here's your other option as well:
http://www.nanochip.pt/pt-PT/p/28432/COOLER-MASTER-CM69...

What motherboard, cooler and monitor are you getting?

You don't need a UD5, where the P6X58D-E, UD3R, or Sabertooth will do the job.


Looks good , I think I'm going for that :) 

Nope , no SLI later on... You see , I'm going to focus much more on video editing , photoshopping , etc... than really gaming. So SLI is overkill x) I will get just a single gtx570 card :) ~

I wont get that case , I prefer the Antec 900 , more cooling and airflow :) 

I'm getting this cooler:
http://coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6603

Was thinking of this monitor:
http://www.samsung.com/us/business/monitors/LS22X3HKFP/...

But help me out , will my old , core , xbox360 work with it ? The xbox has no HDMI , it's the very 1st one. It has the component output I think...

Motherboard idk , I have a question:
With the UD3R and the other one , will I be able to add another kit of 2x3 6gb CL7 G.skill RAM ? and will all the other stuff wwork on it ?
December 8, 2010 6:06:52 PM

That monitor looks good, especially being LED.

Not saying there's anything wrong with the 212, yes, it's cheaper and does a good job, but there are much better coolers out there. You're getting an i7 950, you should cool it wisely, gotta protect that investment.

How much are you willing to spend on a cooler?

Have a look at this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-heatsink,2...

The Scythe Mugen 2 is comparable to the NH-D14 and is well priced.

My personal preference became the NH-D14, simply because it's the best, but it's not the cheapest.

Check out this thread as well:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/262604-29-looking-coo...

I suggest you figure out how much you're willing to spend on a cooler, and check out those and other reviews before you think about purchasing the 212.
December 9, 2010 5:23:33 PM

kg2010 said:
That monitor looks good, especially being LED.

Not saying there's anything wrong with the 212, yes, it's cheaper and does a good job, but there are much better coolers out there. You're getting an i7 950, you should cool it wisely, gotta protect that investment.

How much are you willing to spend on a cooler?

Have a look at this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-heatsink,2...

The Scythe Mugen 2 is comparable to the NH-D14 and is well priced.

My personal preference became the NH-D14, simply because it's the best, but it's not the cheapest.

Check out this thread as well:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/262604-29-looking-coo...

I suggest you figure out how much you're willing to spend on a cooler, and check out those and other reviews before you think about purchasing the 212.



Yeah I did rush on the cooler . Someone just said it was the best bang for my buck so I went for it , didnt even bother... But look , I'm not going to extreme overclock , in fact , if I do , its something less risky , if I wanted to OC the cpu to 4.0Ghz would it be risky ? I dont know... I'll see how much the build is right now and post the cost without the cooler (:
December 9, 2010 5:29:38 PM

Just overclock to 3.8 and you should be fine, I find very little gains between 3.8 and 4.0 anyway, and in video editing the difference will be minimal.

But if you can increase your budget to say $50 for the cooler, I know you could get something better. The processor are one of your most important parts, and keeping it cool will extend the life of it.
December 9, 2010 6:14:52 PM

kg2010 said:
Just overclock to 3.8 and you should be fine, I find very little gains between 3.8 and 4.0 anyway, and in video editing the difference will be minimal.

But if you can increase your budget to say $50 for the cooler, I know you could get something better. The processor are one of your most important parts, and keeping it cool will extend the life of it.



Yeah , $50 is arrangable. What would you recommend with that price range ?
a b U Graphics card
December 10, 2010 12:25:27 AM

Just get the Hyper 212+ and slap in a second blademaster fan, All other coolers under 50$ get about 4-5 degrees lower than the hyper, which is OK and does make a difference when overclocking, but adding the second fan puts them on par.
a c 358 U Graphics card
December 10, 2010 2:46:25 AM

wiinippongamer said:
It all will be compatible and it will play a lot of games and run anything you want.


Nothing beats LED quality: http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/monitors/LS24B5HVFH/...


With a PC like that you won't miss your xbox, trust me.



"LED Monitors" are garbage when it comes to color accuracy.

All "LED Monitors" are regular LCD monitor using cheap TN panel technology as opposed to IPS panel tech which is better for color accuracy; however you still must calibrate the monitor to get the best colors. TN panel monitors are incapable of producing 16.7m on their own, they can only create 256k actual colors. They must rely on temporal dithering to blend two colors together to create a 3rd color it cannot normal produce.

Temporal dithering basically flashes two colors on the screen so quickly that your brain is fooled into seeing a 3rd color that looks solid. For example, say a TN panel monitor cannot display purple on the screen. What temporal dithering does is flash Red and Blue so quickly that your brain think it is seeing solid purple. Additionally, since it a TN panel is flashing extremely fast between two colors, it produces less accurate color since both Red and Blue can be too intense to display the correct shade of purple.

"LED" simply refers to the backlight of monitors. LCD monitors traditionally used florescent backlight. The backlight basically determines the overall hue of the color displayed by LCD monitor and is referred to as color gamut. At first florescent backlight were normal gamut or 72% color gamut. Later on wide color gamut was introduced by Dell 2407WFP-HC into the consumer level market; basically that's about 94% color gamut, but can be higher.

Normal color gamut (72% color gamut) - Great for everyone 'cause well, there was nothing else. Problem was if you printed a picture that you see on the screen, the colors on the printout looks slightly different. Not a big deal for the average consumer. A truly monumental big deal if you are a publisher (like magazines).

Wide color gamut (basically 94%+ color gamut) - Everything looks just slightly greenish. Some people say more vibrant, but overall slightly greenish. The benefit? The colors you see on the screen are the colors you see in the printout. Of course there's some necessary calibration involved. Took me a while to get used to wide color gamut even after calibrating my monitor.


"LED monitors" have 68% color gamut which can be referred to as narrow color gamut or below average color gamut. Consumer level LCD monitors with LED backlight will have slightly bluish colors as a result of the lower color gamut. I may matter to some people, and others may not care because they think "LED monitors are better than "LCD monitors". There is no benefit with 68% color gamut; colors on the screen and in printouts will both be off color.



Nothing beats LED quality..... as long as quality does not matter to you.
a c 358 U Graphics card
December 10, 2010 2:50:22 AM

My recommendation for an inexpensive monitor for color accuracy is the Dell U2311h which uses an e-IPS panel and has pretty good color accuracy right out of the box. Of course using a colorimeter will improve the accuracy.

Here a review:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2311h.htm

And it's pretty good for gaming too.
a b U Graphics card
December 10, 2010 2:50:53 AM

jaguarskx said:
"LED Monitors" are garbage when it comes to color accuracy.

All "LED Monitors" are regular LCD monitor using cheap TN panel technology as opposed to IPS panel tech which is better for color accuracy; however you still must calibrate the monitor to get the best colors. TN panel monitors are incapable of producing 16.7m on their own, they can only create 256k actual colors. They must rely on temporal dithering to blend two colors together to create a 3rd color it cannot normal produce.

Temporal dithering basically flashes two colors on the screen so quickly that your brain is fooled into seeing a 3rd color that looks solid. For example, say a TN panel monitor cannot display purple on the screen. What temporal dithering does is flash Red and Blue so quickly that your brain think it is seeing solid purple. Additionally, since it a TN panel is flashing extremely fast between two colors, it produces less accurate color since both Red and Blue can be too intense to display the correct shade of purple.

"LED" simply refers to the backlight of monitors. LCD monitors traditionally used florescent backlight. The backlight basically determines the overall hue of the color displayed by LCD monitor and is referred to as color gamut. At first florescent backlight were normal gamut or 72% color gamut. Later on wide color gamut was introduced by Dell 2407WFP-HC into the consumer level market; basically that's about 94% color gamut, but can be higher.

Normal color gamut (72% color gamut) - Great for everyone 'cause well, there was nothing else. Problem was if you printed a picture that you see on the screen, the colors on the printout looks slightly different. Not a big deal for the average consumer. A truly monumental big deal if you are a publisher (like magazines).

Wide color gamut (basically 94%+ color gamut) - Everything looks just slightly greenish. Some people say more vibrant, but overall slightly greenish. The benefit? The colors you see on the screen are the colors you see in the printout. Of course there's some necessary calibration involved. Took me a while to get used to wide color gamut even after calibrating my monitor.


"LED monitors" have 68% color gamut which can be referred to as narrow color gamut or below average color gamut. Consumer level LCD monitors with LED backlight will have slightly bluish colors as a result of the lower color gamut. I may matter to some people, and others may not care because they think "LED monitors are better than "LCD monitors". There is no benefit with 68% color gamut; colors on the screen and in printouts will both be off color.



Nothing beats LED quality..... as long as quality does not matter to you.



Wow.... want a cookie now?
a c 358 U Graphics card
December 10, 2010 2:56:37 AM

wiinippongamer said:
Wow.... want a cookie now?



Merely providing information to the consumer.

An informed consumer is a smarter consumer.
December 11, 2010 1:22:22 PM

Just wanted to thank everyone for their input for this guy's question. I'm helping a friend put together a video editing machine for their church and already learned a lot just from this one post. Quick question though...

What's the strategy these days with using SSD and video editing?

Do people use the SSD just for the operating system and put the swap file on the other bigger drive? Or do you also load the video editing software onto the SSD? I imagine you wouldn't be saving any images/videos onto the SSD of course.

Anyone have a quick mini guide for noobs on SSD's for non-gaming video editing machines?
December 11, 2010 1:33:56 PM

Put Windows and your most used apps on the SSD.

Definitely install Photoshop, Premiere and Office on the SSD, as they will open in 2 - 3 seconds. You'll want to leave at least 10% of the available disk space on the SSD, and never Defrag it.

Use a 2ndary drive for Data, scratch disk, rendering, etc. You can even install other programs that don't take as long to load on the 2ndary drive.
a c 173 U Graphics card
December 11, 2010 1:37:43 PM

sabot7726 said:
Just wanted to thank everyone for their input for this guy's question. I'm helping a friend put together a video editing machine for their church and already learned a lot just from this one post. Quick question though...

What's the strategy these days with using SSD and video editing?

Do people use the SSD just for the operating system and put the swap file on the other bigger drive? Or do you also load the video editing software onto the SSD? I imagine you wouldn't be saving any images/videos onto the SSD of course.

Anyone have a quick mini guide for noobs on SSD's for non-gaming video editing machines?


I amazed how stupid people are about SSDs :pfff: 

Any one who moves the swapfile off the SSD onto a mechanical drives doesn't deserve to have the machine let alone any thing else. Second having a SSD in a workstation is usually the cheapest way to deal with a bloated swapfile, ps 16GB of DDR2 cost about $500 so pagefile is necessary when working with very large models and files. As someone who is in the networking industry and knows a thing or two about servers those SSDs pay for them selves in power and cooling savings alone before any other cost factors are included.

For non gaming a SSD can do a lot for CAD stations, data base applications, graphics workstations and apps like 3DSMax or Arcmap GIS software, video editing workstations that work with large uncompressed high resolution video and audio, and the list goes on.
December 11, 2010 1:54:01 PM

nforce4max said:
I amazed how stupid people are about SSDs :pfff: 

Any one who moves the swapfile off the SSD onto a mechanical drives doesn't deserve to have the machine let alone any thing else. Second having a SSD in a workstation is usually the cheapest way to deal with a bloated swapfile, ps 16GB of DDR2 cost about $500 so pagefile is necessary when working with very large models and files. As someone who is in the networking industry and knows a thing or two about servers those SSDs pay for them selves in power and cooling savings alone before any other cost factors are included.

For non gaming a SSD can do a lot for CAD stations, data base applications, graphics workstations and apps like 3DSMax or Arcmap GIS software, video editing workstations that work with large uncompressed high resolution video and audio, and the list goes on.


So I take it you recommend getting an SSD and not moving the swapfile? I was asking a question not stating anything.
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