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February 5, 2011 12:05:53 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: Funds will be available to purchase feb 11, 2011


Budget Range: 1300 before rebates (No mail ins)


System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming (Rift at max settings) League of Legends, watching movies, surfing


Parts Not Required: Mouse, Keyboard, Monitor, Speakers


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: No preferred site. Can cross shop to get most bang for buck if needed (though a 40$ difference over the whole build isn't worth the shipping)


Country of Origin: US


Parts Preferences: no preferences


Overclocking: Not interested


SLI or Crossfire: No.


Monitor Resolution: 1680 x 1050 is native res


Additional Comments: Would like something able to push and take advantage of the settings in Rift. I understand sandybridge seems to be the new cpu thats come out and folks are recommending to hold off until it comes out but I don't need anything that bleeding cutting edge. I am using a dell 9100 with an ati 3850 that has lasted me 6-7 years now.
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February 5, 2011 12:36:58 AM

You can still get quite a lot at that price range. Since an OC is not in the picture maybe a good LGA 1156 build.

i5-750 and Asus P55 board (with USB 3 and SATA 6GB/s)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1333 CL7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec Neo Eco 620
Leaves you some expansion margin. No frills but high quality PSU, does not ship with AC power cord as they figure you have enough spares now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CM 690II case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Asus 6870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Win 7 64-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If my guess is right, that leaves you enough to grab a nice SSD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Use it as a system drive and any programs you need to launch fast, but keep most of your data on the platter drive.
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a b 4 Gaming
February 5, 2011 12:40:24 AM

I'd recommend something more like the Antec EA650 or TP650. The Neo is not the best series of Antec PSUs.
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a b 4 Gaming
February 5, 2011 12:50:05 AM

boiler1990 said:
I'd recommend something more like the Antec EA650 or TP650. The Neo is not the best series of Antec PSUs.


The older Neos were made by CWT and not very good.
The new ones are based on the Seasonic S12II design.

Review of the 520W
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=317192
(It's a good review done by a knowledgeable person with proper equipment)

Seasonic M12II 620 review:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/05/18/seasonic_m12i...
It's the same, just modular and sold by Seasonic not Antec.... any differences internally will be very small.
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February 7, 2011 2:59:49 PM

When I reference not preferring sandybridge people act like I am a loon. Is there really a significant performance increase between what is recommended in this build and the sandybridge counterpart? I mean I don't want to wait til april but if we're talking 80% performance increase for 30$ more I may as well.
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a b 4 Gaming
February 7, 2011 8:24:47 PM

It's a very substantial performance increase. You don't need it to game today, but remember that ANY CPU you buy will eventually become the primary bottleneck in a gaming system.

If you are more interested in saving money, get an AMD system.

However you say you are "not interested" in overclocking. That makes me want to recommend the stronger system because you are kinda shooting yourself in the foot.
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February 7, 2011 9:14:41 PM

Well just stick in an 800$ and 1000$ build of the same caliber possibly, you could look at my builds in my siggy XD The 800$ build is under the 1000$ one.
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February 7, 2011 9:20:19 PM

PudgyChicken said:
I want to suggest the Gigabyte 1GHz Super Overclock Edition GTX 560Ti. It performs like a GTX 570 but at a $270 price point. It's probably the best bang for the buck when it comes to GPUs atm.

Guru3D
http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-gtx-560-ti-soc-r...
Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


The stock OC isn't necessary - GPUs can easily be OCed with MSI Afterburner. "It's so easy, a caveman could do it"... ;) 
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a b 4 Gaming
February 7, 2011 11:02:21 PM

Yup, agreed with Boiler. If you want to base this all on stock performance though, the 560 Ti would be better for your resolution. For some odd reason, the stock 6950 1GB can beat out the 560 Ti in all resolutions equal to or higher than 1920x1080. But loses to it in 1680x1050 or resolutions around their. In fact, a 5850 would be good enough for you even a 6870. Cheaper too.


If that is the same Diamond 5850 I got 1 year ago, it can be voltage tweaked and there for unlock/overclocking to a 5870's performance. Even at stock it'll handle you resolution fine as does mine. Only 185$ Before MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Features the new 1.4a HDMI and includes a cable as well, if your monitor supports this, games that support that will be able to run in 3D. It's a cheaper alt. to the Nvidia 3D vision. Also performs to the level of the 5870. It's 220$ and 200$ after MIR. This would be a good alternative to the 560 Ti as well. Really the market has many cards for all types of users now. The 5xx/4xx and 5xxx/6xxx have really filled all the gaps.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 11, 2011 4:02:58 PM

I am ready to purchase today, tax refund finally cleared. The lynnfield processor is no longer in stock. is there a fair substitute to work with this on?
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a b 4 Gaming
February 11, 2011 5:05:13 PM

teqvet said:
I am ready to purchase today, tax refund finally cleared. The lynnfield processor is no longer in stock. is there a fair substitute to work with this on?

http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?category_id... <--- more info. on that case (CM Storm Scout)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99 FREE SHIPPING
Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=I5-760BOX&titl... Combo Price: $304.99 after rebate Free Shipping
GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 Socket 1156/ Intel P55/ USB3.0/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i5 Processor i5-760 2.8GHz 8MB LGA1156 CPU, Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $104.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $249.99
GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $16.99 FREE SHIPPING
LG Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Price: $159.98 FREE SHIPPING
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

Total: $1,006.92 *not including shipping, rebates, etc..

*Want a decent SSD ?...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $219.99 - $199.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $4.99 FREE SHIPPING
Rosewill RX-C200P 2.5" SSD / HDD Plastic Mounting Kit for 3.5" Drive Bay
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February 11, 2011 5:36:09 PM

Why_Me said:
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?category_id... <--- more info. on that case (CM Storm Scout)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99 FREE SHIPPING
Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=I5-760BOX&titl... Combo Price: $304.99 after rebate Free Shipping
GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 Socket 1156/ Intel P55/ USB3.0/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard
Intel Core i5 Processor i5-760 2.8GHz 8MB LGA1156 CPU, Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $104.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $249.99
GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $16.99 FREE SHIPPING
LG Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Price: $159.98 FREE SHIPPING
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

Total: $1,006.92 *not including shipping, rebates, etc..

*Want a decent SSD ?...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $219.99 - $199.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $4.99 FREE SHIPPING
Rosewill RX-C200P 2.5" SSD / HDD Plastic Mounting Kit for 3.5" Drive Bay




Do I need to purchase anything else as for the building process? I've heard of people mention thermal compounds before?
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February 11, 2011 5:48:15 PM

teqvet said:
Do I need to purchase anything else as for the building process? I've heard of people mention thermal compounds before?

Thermal paste comes with the stock intel h/s.

But you never ever know when your going to get the "urge" to o/c. If so this heat sink down below is a bargain imo and comes with decent thermal compound.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002G1YPH0/ref=s9_simh... $28.05 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master RR-B10-212P-G1 Hyper 212 Plus 775/1156/1366/AMD/AM2/AM3 Universal Direct Contact Heat-Pipe 120mm Fan CPU Cooler
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February 11, 2011 5:51:12 PM

I don't think i'll have the urge to OC any time seen. I haven't fiddled with building a new pc in over a decade so going to take it slow.. for what I want to do i don't think OC'ing is going to be a necessity but options down the road are always nice.

Thanks for the help.. you've given me suggested builds in the past, but finances never panned out. Im 1 click from ordering now -=D
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February 11, 2011 5:51:29 PM

Best answer selected by teqvet.
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a c 230 4 Gaming
February 11, 2011 6:25:27 PM

Here's a build in April box (once replacement SB MoBos arrive) for $1,236

Case - $100 - Coolermaster HAF-922 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case Fans - Later - CM Red 200 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $100 - XFX Black Edition 750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $395 - ASUS P8P67 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU - incl above - Intel Core i5-2500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $109 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair CAS 9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $250 - Asus GTX 560 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Later - Same
HD - $55 - Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - $105 - OCZ Vertex 2 2.5" 60GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $22 - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Home Pre http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

.... some rebates in there I'm sure but not enough I don't think to break ya $1300 limit

Can add the case fan and 2nd card in SLI later .... should extend the life of the machine another 1.5 years if ya do.
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February 11, 2011 6:28:09 PM

Why_Me said:


*Want a decent SSD ?...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $219.99 - $199.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $4.99 FREE SHIPPING
Rosewill RX-C200P 2.5" SSD / HDD Plastic Mounting Kit for 3.5" Drive Bay


I'd buy the 3.5" version from the getgo and save $27 and the hassle of mounting

OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD3-2VTX120G 3.5" 120GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b 4 Gaming
February 11, 2011 7:42:46 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
I'd buy the 3.5" version from the getgo and save $27 and the hassle of mounting



That's a valid point certainly, but I would add this. A 2.5" drive could end up in a laptop down the road, as an upgrade. A 3.5" is stuck in a desktop forever.

The mounting doesn't have to be an issue, depending on your case. You do not have to "mount" an SSD at all. A little velcro tape and you could stick it anywhere.
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February 11, 2011 7:59:08 PM

Proximon said:
That's a valid point certainly, but I would add this. A 2.5" drive could end up in a laptop down the road, as an upgrade. A 3.5" is stuck in a desktop forever.

The mounting doesn't have to be an issue, depending on your case. You do not have to "mount" an SSD at all. A little velcro tape and you could stick it anywhere.



I went ahead with the order confirmation on the build and the 3.5 drive. After reading more reviews they seemed to outweigh the recent negative feedback. As for laptops, I bought my wife one this time last year and i absolutely hate it. I'll never own another laptop again or let her get one for that matter, lol. It's been nothing but headaches but then again that just might be Dell.

If I ever do anything small, it will be something like Motorola's new Zoom coming out soon(ish) or a high powered tablet.
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February 11, 2011 9:54:02 PM

I just realized after the fact and confirming the order.. is this PSU going to be able to handle this card and cpu? I originally had a 650w psu carted but didn't double check and replaced it with the 550w one...
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a b 4 Gaming
February 11, 2011 10:05:50 PM

teqvet said:
I just realized after the fact and confirming the order.. is this PSU going to be able to handle this card and cpu? I originally had a 650w psu carted but didn't double check and replaced it with the 550w one...

That psu will be more than enough and then some.

This is from the NVIDIA site in regards to the gtx 560's: 500 Watt or greater power supply (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 30 Amps.)

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a b 4 Gaming
February 11, 2011 10:09:04 PM

If you are using Why_Me's build I see you pulling no more than about 400W from the PSU, so it's about right but not a lot of extra room.
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February 12, 2011 12:18:58 AM

I won't be needing extra room so it should work great then, thanks guys.
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February 13, 2011 5:10:40 PM

Well everything has finally shipped today. The PSU and HD shipped out of Cali, a few things out of NJ, and the remainder out of TN. Everything should be here by Wednesday, 1 day after the rift open beta starts, and I should have it built and ready before the end of the night. Will post when I get it put together and running. thx again. so stoked.. this will be light years better than this dimension 9100 i've had for years now.
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February 13, 2011 5:25:12 PM

teqvet said:
Well everything has finally shipped today. The PSU and HD shipped out of Cali, a few things out of NJ, and the remainder out of TN. Everything should be here by Wednesday, 1 day after the rift open beta starts, and I should have it built and ready before the end of the night. Will post when I get it put together and running. thx again. so stoked.. this will be light years better than this dimension 9100 i've had for years now.

:sol: 
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February 18, 2011 3:20:04 AM

A lot of small hiccups later I finally got things going, however I think I may have 1 major issue? The ram I purchased as suggested appears to have been 1600 and the mobo supported 1333. Am I screwed here?
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a b 4 Gaming
February 18, 2011 3:25:27 AM

I feel like the mobo should be able to support 1600 if it can go up to 2200. Did you try setting the RAM to 1600? If you did, is it stable or does it crash/blue screen or not boot up at all?
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February 18, 2011 3:28:37 AM

the Bios it shows it registering at 1333 mhz however in pcwizard it shows:

Manufacturer : G Skill
Part Number : F3-12800CL9-4GBSR
Serial Number : 0018D62052A51018
Type : DDR3-SDRAM PC3-10700 (667MHz) - [DDR3-1333]
Format : UDIMM (133.35 x 15)
Size : 4096MB (2 ranks, 8 banks)
Module Buffered : No
Module Registered : No
Module SLi Ready (EPP) : No
Module XMP : Yes
Width : 64-bit
Error Correction Capability (EC... Unspecified
Prefetch Buffer : 8-bit
Manufacture : 2000
Thermal Sensor : No
Heat Spreader : No
Supported Frequencies : 457MHz, 533MHz, 610MHz, 686MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) : 6 clocks @ 457MHz, 7 clocks @ 533MHz, 8 clocks @ 610MHz, 9 clocks @ 686MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 6 clocks @ 457MHz, 7 clocks @ 533MHz, 8 clocks @ 610MHz, 9 clocks @ 686MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 6 clocks @ 457MHz, 7 clocks @ 533MHz, 8 clocks @ 610MHz, 9 clocks @ 686MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 17 clocks @ 457MHz, 20 clocks @ 533MHz, 22 clocks @ 610MHz, 25 clocks @ 686MHz
Min TRC : 23 clocks @ 457MHz, 27 clocks @ 533MHz, 31 clocks @ 610MHz, 34 clocks @ 686MHz

XMP Profile : XMP-1600
Version : 1.2
Specification : PC3-12800
Voltage : 1.50V
Cycle Time : 1.25ns @800MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 11 ns
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 11 ns
tWR : 15 ns
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 30 ns
tRC : 49 ns
Command Rate : 2T
Supported Frequencies : 818MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) : 9 clocks @ 818MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 5 clocks @ 457MHz, 6 clocks @ 533MHz, 7 clocks @ 610MHz, 8 clocks @ 686MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 5 clocks @ 457MHz, 6 clocks @ 533MHz, 7 clocks @ 610MHz, 8 clocks @ 686MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 14 clocks @ 457MHz, 16 clocks @ 533MHz, 19 clocks @ 610MHz, 21 clocks @ 686MHz
tTRC : 23 clocks @ 457MHz, 27 clocks @ 533MHz, 30 clocks @ 610MHz, 34 clocks @ 686MHz









Also my WIE are:


Global Performance : 7.2 on 7.9
Processor Benchmark : 7.3 on 7.9
Memory Global Benchmark : 7.5 on 7.9
Graphic Performance : 7.8 on 7.9
Gaming Performance : 7.8 on 7.9
Hard Disk Benchmark : 7.2 on 7.9
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February 18, 2011 3:29:10 AM

I do not know what to do to set it to 1600
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February 18, 2011 3:49:45 AM

1f. CPU Clock Ratio : 17 for i5 750 {17*160=2.720GHz};

What do i do here as I have the i5-760? same thing?
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February 18, 2011 4:38:34 AM

Ok managed to get that taken care of i think. While playing rift now on heavy settings my cpu cores are at 64*C and the gpu is at 62% this is with 3 case fans running.. is this acceptable?
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a b 4 Gaming
February 18, 2011 11:58:48 AM

If you're using the stock CPU cooler, that's in the range of temps you'd expect at load. Apparently Rift isn't using all of your GPU... how are you measuring GPU usage?
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February 18, 2011 11:59:59 AM

i m 62*C not %, for the gpu
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a b 4 Gaming
February 18, 2011 1:15:41 PM

Gotcha. Yeah, those are pretty average temps; about what you'd see in any case.
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February 18, 2011 2:26:04 PM

Well thanks for the help then :)  PC is running great. Goes from boot to windows log in within 8 seconds and boots from log in to desktop in 5 seconds. I can launch rift in half a second and from entering my log in info and selecting my character takes maybe 8 seconds. This ssd is absolutely insane :) 

edit: this morning I am down to 37*C the gpu and 42*C on the cpu cores.. I think they may have been getting overly hot last night because I was fiddling with a lot of tests and making things more active than theyd usually be.
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