Okay, so first, hello!
My apologies for this being a first thread, and what looks to be yet another of a slew of its kind. I feel kind of bad for barging into any forum with a "hay can u guyz halpz meeee?!?!" type of thread.
Also, not helping my case in not sounding like a fool, but I couldn't really tell the difference between the Homebuilt and Newbuild subforums. I really hope this is the appropriate place!
Although from the forum-scrounging that I've done it seems like everyone here is really helpful and friendly, even when having to deal with the inexperienced and possibly under-educated such as myself! Hopefully I can keep from drooling embarrassingly all over the place for a few posts.
Just a heads-up, I'm trying to go from a "had someone I know build it", 6-year-old rig with an AGP mobo and still using a monstrous (as in girthy, albeit not a bad screen) CRT monitor to a fancy new gaming system that I'll be building myself.
But, without further ado...
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Approximate Purchase Date:
As soon as I feel secure with what I plan to build!
Budget Range:
Before rebate, around $2000 as an absolute max including OS and monitor. Around $1800 would be ideal, and less would be fantastic, but to be honest the idea of having a nice gaming and all-around rig has me frothing at the mouth and willing to pay a bit more for the awesome.
System Usage from Most to Least Important:
Gaming, and then everything else that's not professional work e.g. I don't do 3D rendering or video editing. It'll be my one-and-only home computer.
Parts Not Required:
Mouse and Keyboard for certain. My speakers are something ancient and falling apart, but they'll suffice for now. Working on looking up details on a nice monitor after this, something that will be ideal for gaming. 1920x1200?
Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
New to buying computer parts for the most part. I've done Newegg previously for a couple of minor-ish parts (and Amazon for damn near everything else), but I'll be shopping around for the best prices from websites I've seen pop up (New Egg; TigerDirect; Buy.com; CDW.com; J&R; Amazon).
Country of Origin:
U.S.A. and in California. Tied into above, it would be beneficial tax-wise to avoid sites based in California, though I don't know how easy that'll be).
Parts Preferences:
Not very picky as long as it's quality. I'm leaning towards using a full tower case this time around as it may make building it a bit easier for a novice like me (and help keep things cool during non-air-conditioned parts of the upcoming summer). Not concerned about the size.
Overclocking:
I was originally leaning towards "no" but the more I read the more it sounds like it's silly for me not to do so. I've got reading to do before attempting this, though.
SLI or Crossfire:
Yes, but! Maybe not right away unless it's viable fund-wise. This I've left open as a future upgrade as popping in a second (or third) card seems easy enough, unless it's highly recommended to do so right off the bat for a gaming rig with the proposed parts.
Monitor Resolution:
1920x1200, again assuming this is what I should go for with a gaming rig. Right now I've been using 1024x768, so I kind of worry about my head exploding from sudden exposure to such an upgrade.
Additional Comments:
None! I'll try to be as thorough with what I've learned with the following. I've crammed a lot into this skull of mine, but I've only spent the last three days researching and learning an absolute ton about how this all works and what might be the best for my budget.
Adding a topic in here...
Skill:
I've replaced the RAM, PSU, and GPU on my old rig, but that's about the extent of my direct experience messing with the innards of a computer and it was one filled with IDE connections. Crossing my fingers that this new stuff isn't too hard to manage.
I'm also an instruction-reader, so I should be able to follow directions well whether it's from forums, guides, or my part manuals.
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The Grand List of My Research Endeavors
(and a few notes/questions in regards to each)
(prices simply based on Newegg)
(third set of parenthesis)
Case:
Antec Twelve Hundred v3 Black Steel $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129100
This was the one I was set on up until about ten mintues before starting this post. Then I saw a recommendation for:
Cooler Master HAF X Black Steel/Plastic $200 ($20 promo, free s/h)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225&cm_re=HAF-X-_-11-119-225-_-Product
It's technically more expensive, except there's a short-term $20 off promo code and free shipping (as opposed to the $20 shipping of the Antec), so they end up the same price. I'll be honest; I'm certainly leaning towards that Cooler Master.
Others options (sans links):
Antec Nine Hundred Two Tower $120
Cooler Master 690 II Advanced $90
Antec Three Hundred Illusion $70
CPU:
Intel Core i7-950 $300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211&cm_re=intel_core_i7-950-_-19-115-211-_-Product
I haven't really debated this at all, especially with all the Sandy Bridge processors being unavailable for a while. However, I haven't looked much into hex core processors as I assume the bang vs buck ratio becomes undesirable quickly.
After-Market Heatsink:
Cooler Master Hyper 212 $30 (and add'l purchase of Antec Silver TP)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065&Tpk=cooler%20master%20212
I've heard this is a bit of a pain to install, but apparently it's worth it and there's plenty of instruction videos and guides on it. Of all things involved with building my first computer, not putting on the heatsink correctly and burning out my CPU is my greatest concern.
Other options (sans links):
Arctic Freezer Pro $30
Cooler Master Hyper N520 $35 (issues with this being 3-pin only?)
v8 Cooler Master $60
Motherboard:
EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-KR $265 ($30 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188065&cm_re=evga_x58_ftw3_motherboard-_-13-188-065-_-Product
Picking a motherboard was probably the hardest thing to research, though that's debatable with deciding on a GPU, and even now I feel like I'm missing something. This and my "other options" seemed pretty much neck-and-neck, though EVGA seems to have better warranty and customer service in case I need it (and I hope I won't).
Other options (sans links, as always):
ASUS P6X58D-E Intel X58 Motherboard $220
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R $210
GPU:
AMD Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 $220 ($20 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102883&cm_re=sapphire_radeon_5870-_-14-102-883-_-Product
Okay. So. With all my scrounging around, I believe I've settled on AMD over nVidia for current needs. I can be argued out of this. As for AMD, this was *still* a hard choice while comparing it to the 5850, 6850, and 6870. The xx50's are about $40 cheaper. This (5870) seemed to be the best performer of the group at least.
However, I'm just getting one GPU at the moment unless funds or heavy convincing tells me otherwise. I will eventually get a second/third and, if so, is there a large difference between each of these four performing in a Crossfire configuration?
Of course, being coaxed to nVidia opens another can of worms for me.
Interal Speaker:
Internal PC Mini Speaker
http://www.goldmango.com/20523a.html
Not really a decision, except I can't tell which cases actually have an internal speaker and which I would have to buy one for. I think the Antec Twelve Hundred has one... I think.
PSU:
XFX 850W Black $150 ($40 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207001&cm_re=850W_Black-_-17-207-001-_-Product
Nice big rebate with this, and seems to be way up there in quality and performance. I don't know if 850W is a bit much, but I figure better safe than sorry if I plan on getting additional GPU's down the road.
Other option (sans... oh, you know the drill by now)
Corsair 850TX PSU $130 ($10 rebate)
Storage:
Crucial RealSSD 64gb C300 $135 (will need micro SATA adapter purchase)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148357&cm_re=crucial_realssd_c300-_-20-148-357-_-Product
Phew, a SSD. Here's another debatable decision. I do have a a couple of storage drives: an ancient (6+ year) 105gb and new (unused) 2tb Spin-whatever HDD's, but they're kind of slow on the read speeds.
Now, I could go for this as a boot drive and applications/games, or I could go for a smaller 30/32gb SSD at half the price for mainly just the OS and wait for those next-gen drives to come out in a few months and pick up a bigger SSD for cheap(er) then to use as a tertiary drive for games/applications.
I've done a bit of reading on setting up a SSD as well as tweaking to used efficiently, so I *should* be all right on installing/using one correctly.
RAM:
Corsair Dominator 3x2gb TR3X6G1600C8D $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224&cm_re=corsair_dominator-_-20-145-224-_-Product
Seems highly recommended, and 12gb is unnecessary. Something tells me I need to do some reading on setting the voltage (and timings?) on these to their ideal settings in the BIOS.
Optical Drive:
LG Black Blu-ray Disco Combo 10x16x 4mb $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136183
I don't even own a Blu-ray, but this might(?) be preparing myself for the future? It doesn't seem that long ago that games started coming on DVD's instead of multiple CD's, and perhaps they'll be on Blu-ray before that much longer. Of course, everything seems to also be going heavy on digital downloading as well...
OS:
Windows 7 Home Premium $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116716
Seems kind of obvious, unless I've completely missed somehow being able to upgrade straight from XP on the cheap. Also, I'm sure I can weasel a cheap, student-discounted one from someone, which is an annoyance as I'll be back in classes around June.
Monitor:
???
Absolutely no research as of yet done on this (probably tomorrow), but I do plan on just using a single monitor, possibly going large if I can afford it. This very well may replace my also-aging television, so this can almost be considered a double investment.
-----
A small novel later...
I do appreciate any opinions, advice, or hot dogs (Nature's perfect food) you can spare! The sooner I can put a stamp on the list the sooner I can get cracking with building it. Hopefully with minimal tears and maximum computerage as an end result!
My apologies for this being a first thread, and what looks to be yet another of a slew of its kind. I feel kind of bad for barging into any forum with a "hay can u guyz halpz meeee?!?!" type of thread.
Also, not helping my case in not sounding like a fool, but I couldn't really tell the difference between the Homebuilt and Newbuild subforums. I really hope this is the appropriate place!
Although from the forum-scrounging that I've done it seems like everyone here is really helpful and friendly, even when having to deal with the inexperienced and possibly under-educated such as myself! Hopefully I can keep from drooling embarrassingly all over the place for a few posts.
Just a heads-up, I'm trying to go from a "had someone I know build it", 6-year-old rig with an AGP mobo and still using a monstrous (as in girthy, albeit not a bad screen) CRT monitor to a fancy new gaming system that I'll be building myself.
But, without further ado...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Approximate Purchase Date:
As soon as I feel secure with what I plan to build!
Budget Range:
Before rebate, around $2000 as an absolute max including OS and monitor. Around $1800 would be ideal, and less would be fantastic, but to be honest the idea of having a nice gaming and all-around rig has me frothing at the mouth and willing to pay a bit more for the awesome.
System Usage from Most to Least Important:
Gaming, and then everything else that's not professional work e.g. I don't do 3D rendering or video editing. It'll be my one-and-only home computer.
Parts Not Required:
Mouse and Keyboard for certain. My speakers are something ancient and falling apart, but they'll suffice for now. Working on looking up details on a nice monitor after this, something that will be ideal for gaming. 1920x1200?
Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
New to buying computer parts for the most part. I've done Newegg previously for a couple of minor-ish parts (and Amazon for damn near everything else), but I'll be shopping around for the best prices from websites I've seen pop up (New Egg; TigerDirect; Buy.com; CDW.com; J&R; Amazon).
Country of Origin:
U.S.A. and in California. Tied into above, it would be beneficial tax-wise to avoid sites based in California, though I don't know how easy that'll be).
Parts Preferences:
Not very picky as long as it's quality. I'm leaning towards using a full tower case this time around as it may make building it a bit easier for a novice like me (and help keep things cool during non-air-conditioned parts of the upcoming summer). Not concerned about the size.
Overclocking:
I was originally leaning towards "no" but the more I read the more it sounds like it's silly for me not to do so. I've got reading to do before attempting this, though.
SLI or Crossfire:
Yes, but! Maybe not right away unless it's viable fund-wise. This I've left open as a future upgrade as popping in a second (or third) card seems easy enough, unless it's highly recommended to do so right off the bat for a gaming rig with the proposed parts.
Monitor Resolution:
1920x1200, again assuming this is what I should go for with a gaming rig. Right now I've been using 1024x768, so I kind of worry about my head exploding from sudden exposure to such an upgrade.
Additional Comments:
None! I'll try to be as thorough with what I've learned with the following. I've crammed a lot into this skull of mine, but I've only spent the last three days researching and learning an absolute ton about how this all works and what might be the best for my budget.
Adding a topic in here...
Skill:
I've replaced the RAM, PSU, and GPU on my old rig, but that's about the extent of my direct experience messing with the innards of a computer and it was one filled with IDE connections. Crossing my fingers that this new stuff isn't too hard to manage.
I'm also an instruction-reader, so I should be able to follow directions well whether it's from forums, guides, or my part manuals.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Grand List of My Research Endeavors
(and a few notes/questions in regards to each)
(prices simply based on Newegg)
(third set of parenthesis)
Case:
Antec Twelve Hundred v3 Black Steel $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129100
This was the one I was set on up until about ten mintues before starting this post. Then I saw a recommendation for:
Cooler Master HAF X Black Steel/Plastic $200 ($20 promo, free s/h)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225&cm_re=HAF-X-_-11-119-225-_-Product
It's technically more expensive, except there's a short-term $20 off promo code and free shipping (as opposed to the $20 shipping of the Antec), so they end up the same price. I'll be honest; I'm certainly leaning towards that Cooler Master.
Others options (sans links):
Antec Nine Hundred Two Tower $120
Cooler Master 690 II Advanced $90
Antec Three Hundred Illusion $70
CPU:
Intel Core i7-950 $300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211&cm_re=intel_core_i7-950-_-19-115-211-_-Product
I haven't really debated this at all, especially with all the Sandy Bridge processors being unavailable for a while. However, I haven't looked much into hex core processors as I assume the bang vs buck ratio becomes undesirable quickly.
After-Market Heatsink:
Cooler Master Hyper 212 $30 (and add'l purchase of Antec Silver TP)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065&Tpk=cooler%20master%20212
I've heard this is a bit of a pain to install, but apparently it's worth it and there's plenty of instruction videos and guides on it. Of all things involved with building my first computer, not putting on the heatsink correctly and burning out my CPU is my greatest concern.
Other options (sans links):
Arctic Freezer Pro $30
Cooler Master Hyper N520 $35 (issues with this being 3-pin only?)
v8 Cooler Master $60
Motherboard:
EVGA X58 FTW3 132-GT-E768-KR $265 ($30 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188065&cm_re=evga_x58_ftw3_motherboard-_-13-188-065-_-Product
Picking a motherboard was probably the hardest thing to research, though that's debatable with deciding on a GPU, and even now I feel like I'm missing something. This and my "other options" seemed pretty much neck-and-neck, though EVGA seems to have better warranty and customer service in case I need it (and I hope I won't).
Other options (sans links, as always):
ASUS P6X58D-E Intel X58 Motherboard $220
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R $210
GPU:
AMD Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 $220 ($20 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102883&cm_re=sapphire_radeon_5870-_-14-102-883-_-Product
Okay. So. With all my scrounging around, I believe I've settled on AMD over nVidia for current needs. I can be argued out of this. As for AMD, this was *still* a hard choice while comparing it to the 5850, 6850, and 6870. The xx50's are about $40 cheaper. This (5870) seemed to be the best performer of the group at least.
However, I'm just getting one GPU at the moment unless funds or heavy convincing tells me otherwise. I will eventually get a second/third and, if so, is there a large difference between each of these four performing in a Crossfire configuration?
Of course, being coaxed to nVidia opens another can of worms for me.
Interal Speaker:
Internal PC Mini Speaker
http://www.goldmango.com/20523a.html
Not really a decision, except I can't tell which cases actually have an internal speaker and which I would have to buy one for. I think the Antec Twelve Hundred has one... I think.
PSU:
XFX 850W Black $150 ($40 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207001&cm_re=850W_Black-_-17-207-001-_-Product
Nice big rebate with this, and seems to be way up there in quality and performance. I don't know if 850W is a bit much, but I figure better safe than sorry if I plan on getting additional GPU's down the road.
Other option (sans... oh, you know the drill by now)
Corsair 850TX PSU $130 ($10 rebate)
Storage:
Crucial RealSSD 64gb C300 $135 (will need micro SATA adapter purchase)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148357&cm_re=crucial_realssd_c300-_-20-148-357-_-Product
Phew, a SSD. Here's another debatable decision. I do have a a couple of storage drives: an ancient (6+ year) 105gb and new (unused) 2tb Spin-whatever HDD's, but they're kind of slow on the read speeds.
Now, I could go for this as a boot drive and applications/games, or I could go for a smaller 30/32gb SSD at half the price for mainly just the OS and wait for those next-gen drives to come out in a few months and pick up a bigger SSD for cheap(er) then to use as a tertiary drive for games/applications.
I've done a bit of reading on setting up a SSD as well as tweaking to used efficiently, so I *should* be all right on installing/using one correctly.
RAM:
Corsair Dominator 3x2gb TR3X6G1600C8D $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224&cm_re=corsair_dominator-_-20-145-224-_-Product
Seems highly recommended, and 12gb is unnecessary. Something tells me I need to do some reading on setting the voltage (and timings?) on these to their ideal settings in the BIOS.
Optical Drive:
LG Black Blu-ray Disco Combo 10x16x 4mb $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136183
I don't even own a Blu-ray, but this might(?) be preparing myself for the future? It doesn't seem that long ago that games started coming on DVD's instead of multiple CD's, and perhaps they'll be on Blu-ray before that much longer. Of course, everything seems to also be going heavy on digital downloading as well...
OS:
Windows 7 Home Premium $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116716
Seems kind of obvious, unless I've completely missed somehow being able to upgrade straight from XP on the cheap. Also, I'm sure I can weasel a cheap, student-discounted one from someone, which is an annoyance as I'll be back in classes around June.
Monitor:
???
Absolutely no research as of yet done on this (probably tomorrow), but I do plan on just using a single monitor, possibly going large if I can afford it. This very well may replace my also-aging television, so this can almost be considered a double investment.
-----
A small novel later...
I do appreciate any opinions, advice, or hot dogs (Nature's perfect food) you can spare! The sooner I can put a stamp on the list the sooner I can get cracking with building it. Hopefully with minimal tears and maximum computerage as an end result!