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Is the GTX 580 worth getting? help me decide

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December 8, 2010 9:59:08 AM

I have a i7 950@ 4.1 GHz please help me decide which one should I pair with this. The 580 or 570 it has a difference of $160 each and I will go 3 way SLI. Please don't tell me to no go 3 way SLI because I made up my mind and will go 3 way SLI. There is only a difference of 32 CUDA cores each so that's 32x3=96.

Will be playing games like FSX,Metro 2033,CIV V,Napoleon Total War, Call of Duty Black Ops and Battlefield Bad Company 2

will be gaming at 1920x1080 single or maybe a upgrade to dual monitors

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December 8, 2010 10:25:07 AM

Assuming you have the necessary power (1200 watts?) I'd say the (3)580s would be a logical choice. I say logical here because at the amount of money you're spending why not go all the way?

It seems ridiculous to do this on a single 1080p monitor. At the very least have your parents put a 2nd mortgage on the house and loan you the money to step up to (2) 30" monitors and do 3d.
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December 8, 2010 10:42:49 AM

dont listen to him ^

I say go 3x570 because

1. Scaling drops on more cards and 3 cards scaling drops even further
2. That means that difference between 570/580 single cards is MORE than 3*570/3*580
3. 570s will be much more cooler/less power overclockable
4. You save ton of money for bigger screen - like 2560 x 1600 to utilize that power
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December 8, 2010 10:48:45 AM

firebird said:
Assuming you have the necessary power (1200 watts?) I'd say the (3)580s would be a logical choice. I say logical here because at the amount of money you're spending why not go all the way?

It seems ridiculous to do this on a single 1080p monitor. At the very least have your parents put a 2nd mortgage on the house and loan you the money to step up to (2) 30" monitors and do 3d.



my parents are already hesitant to buy me the computer itself

no chance of getting a 30"

especially if its 2 of them
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December 8, 2010 10:50:25 AM

rawsteel said:
dont listen to him ^

I say go 3x570 because

1. Scaling drops on more cards and 3 cards scaling drops even further
2. That means that difference between 570/580 single cards is MORE than 3*570/3*580
3. 570s will be much more cooler/less power overclockable
4. You save ton of money for bigger screen - like 2560 x 1600 to utilize that power


what is the cheapest screen that supports 2560x1600
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December 8, 2010 11:38:38 AM

rawsteel said:
dont listen to him ^

I say go 3x570 because

1. Scaling drops on more cards and 3 cards scaling drops even further
2. That means that difference between 570/580 single cards is MORE than 3*570/3*580
3. 570s will be much more cooler/less power overclockable
4. You save ton of money for bigger screen - like 2560 x 1600 to utilize that power



1. So scaling drops equally on either setup equally due to SLI, not GPU perf.
2. Don't see how this is relevant.
3. 570s aren't overclocking well at all so far, and under load they aren't much cooler if any.
4. You will save money for a larger screen if you went for the 570s. I think SLI (2) 570s and a get a 2nd 1080p monitor for 3d surround is the best choice considering the outlandish cost for the 3rd card and another monitor to utilize the power.
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December 8, 2010 11:44:52 AM

firebird said:
1. So scaling drops equally on either setup equally due to SLI, not GPU perf.
2. Don't see how this is relevant.
3. 570s aren't overclocking well at all so far, and under load they aren't much cooler if any.
4. You will save money for a larger screen if you went for the 570s. I think SLI (2) 570s and a get a 2nd 1080p monitor for 3d surround is the best choice considering the outlandish cost for the 3rd card and another monitor to utilize the power.


+1

The insane amount of money being pumped into this rig vs. the resolutions you'll be running are not cost efficient at all. Two 580s could run all of these games at more-than-perfect framerates as-is at 1080p. I say go with 2 or 3 570s and use the savings to buy another monitor and utilize them to (at least closer to) their maximum potential.

Really, man, you're just wasting your money on 3 580s for a single 1080p monitor.
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December 8, 2010 11:50:24 AM

Agreed. You should be running 3 monitors in 3d mode for this to make any financial sense. Have you thought of the power draw of this system once you fire it up? It's your money do what you want with it.
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December 8, 2010 12:32:14 PM

but if I buy 2 580's or 2 570's and I decided to upgrade to 1 or 2 2560x1600 monitors will it still be able to play these games at max


then again my question is how much is the cheapest 2560x1600 monitor



what is a good PSU that supports 2 580's or 2 570's because at first I was gonna go with 3 580's with the AX1200 ( hopefully you could recommend a corsair 1)


I want a FULLY modular PSU with Silver or Gold ratings
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December 8, 2010 12:43:53 PM

kyleguy298 said:
but if I buy 2 580's or 2 570's and I decided to upgrade to 1 or 2 2560x1600 monitors will it still be able to play these games at max


then again my question is how much is the cheapest 2560x1600 monitor



what is a good PSU that supports 2 580's or 2 570's because at first I was gonna go with 3 580's with the AX1200 ( hopefully you could recommend a corsair 1)


I want a FULLY modular PSU with Silver or Gold ratings


My question is: Why would you spend $1000 - $1500 on graphics cards to buy a $150 Insignia monitor? You're again defeating the purpose spending all of that money. It really sounds like you want to build the most expensive tower you can just to say you have it. Any respectable system builder is going to look at the $2500 - $3000 monster on the ground tied to the $150 pea-shooter on the desk and laugh hysterically.

Trust me, I understand the desire to build a minature nuclear reactor (I did it myself). But you'll get a lot more respect if you pair up your components properly and use everything that your system can pump out. The GTX 570s are very high-performance GPUs, let alone two of them. Go with two of those, buy yourself a nice, expensive, high-quality 2560x1600 monitor to match it, or at least two moderately-priced ones. Trust me, the difference is phenomenal compared to a cheap pair of 1080p monitors tied to 3 580s. You will thank us in the end. :) 

I hope this helps you make your decision. I'm really not trying to attack you, just trying to help you see the reasoning behind what we're saying.

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If you're concerned about these cards being able to run certain games at max settings at those resolutions, do a little more research. There's a plethora of benchmarks and reviews for these cards ranging all the way up to multimonitor setups with 3D vision enabled yadda yadda yadda. I'm certain that you'll do just fine with two 570s in SLi running two 2560x1600 monitors.
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December 8, 2010 12:59:56 PM

Psychoteddy said:
My question is: Why would you spend $1000 - $1500 on graphics cards to buy a $150 Insignia monitor? You're again defeating the purpose spending all of that money. It really sounds like you want to build the most expensive tower you can just to say you have it. Any respectable system builder is going to look at the $2500 - $3000 monster on the ground tied to the $150 pea-shooter on the desk and laugh hysterically.

Trust me, I understand the desire to build a minature nuclear reactor (I did it myself). But you'll get a lot more respect if you pair up your components properly and use everything that your system can pump out. The GTX 570s are very high-performance GPUs, let alone two of them. Go with two of those, buy yourself a nice, expensive, high-quality 2560x1600 monitor to match it, or at least two moderately-priced ones. Trust me, the difference is phenomenal compared to a cheap pair of 1080p monitors tied to 3 580s. You will thank us in the end. :) 

I hope this helps you make your decision. I'm really not trying to attack you, just trying to help you see the reasoning behind what we're saying.

(EDIT):

If you're concerned about these cards being able to run certain games at max settings at those resolutions, do a little more research. There's a plethora of benchmarks and reviews for these cards ranging all the way up to multimonitor setups with 3D vision enabled yadda yadda yadda. I'm certain that you'll do just fine with two 570s in SLi running two 2560x1600 monitors.



ok............................................................. might actually go with 2 570's but can my rig still be considered HIGH END and my question AGAIN what is the cheapest 2560x1600 monitor
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December 8, 2010 1:28:19 PM

kyleguy298 said:
ok............................................................. might actually go with 2 570's but can my rig still be considered HIGH END and my question AGAIN what is the cheapest 2560x1600 monitor


Well your graphics cards alone do not determine what is "high end" and what isn't, it's the whole package. You have a 4.1 GHz i7, which is a pretty respectable OC. I don't know what other specs your system has but I'd say if the rest is anything like that I'd consider it "high end" with the 2 570s installed.

Newegg lists the cheapest one @ $1,149. It is an HP monitor though, so I'd have no qualms recommending it to you.

For 3 580s you would have spent anywhere from $1527 to $1737

For two 570s and the monitor you'd pay anywhere from $1849 to $1887

The cost is higher overall but at least you're not wasting your money.

Another thing to consider (if that's too steep) would be investing in two (significantly cheaper but still high quality) 1080p monitors. This would cost you $1000 - $2100 total.

More specifically, two of these would run you $1220 total (with the GFX cards): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 8, 2010 1:41:35 PM

sorry guys just checkecd the price of the 2560x1600 and it is outrageous

no way I could get it


how about I buy 2 more 23 inch 1080p monitors and power it with the 2 570's will that work

I already have 1 so just need 2 more its the Samsung 2333HD
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December 8, 2010 1:42:24 PM

kyleguy298 said:
my parents are already hesitant to buy me the computer itself

no chance of getting a 30"

especially if its 2 of them


Please don't waste your parents money. Until you understand more , what you need, and how it will perform.
Many use 2 monitors for web surfing watching movies.
But NOBODY games on 2 monitors.
Gaming is done on 1, or 3 monitor setups only.
2- 570's would give you more performance than 96% of gamers, so its a high end rig.

Whats your gaming video card now ?
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December 8, 2010 1:45:47 PM

notty22 said:
Please don't waste your parents money. Until you understand more , what you need, and how it will perform.
Many use 2 monitors for web surfing watching movies.
But NOBODY games on 2 monitors.
Gaming is done on 1, or 3 monitor setups only.
2- 570's would give you more performance than 96% of gamers, so its a high end rig.

Whats your gaming video card now ?


JESUS! I didn't even catch the whole "parents buying it" thing. What Nobel Prize did this kid win?! Seriously! I want to know! :lol: 
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December 8, 2010 1:56:51 PM

if you (or your parents) can afford it, go with 3 GTX 580s, That's what I have. I have 2 30" Dells and a 26" Viewsonic (going to replace that with the 3rd 30" in february).

My experience is that the 3rd card increases the MIN fps more than the AVG fps in games. I haven't read through the whole post, so I don't know what others all recommended, but go with 3 monitors if you're pushing that power. BTW, 3 570s will work for you as well, but what's $450 savings, if you're dumping $3K+ into a system anyway.

PSU wise, I have a 1200W PC Power and Cooling, you're going to need a good 1200+W PSU. (Mine cost $500) don't forget to factor that cost in also...
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December 8, 2010 1:59:46 PM

Psychoteddy said:
JESUS! I didn't even catch the whole "parents buying it" thing. What Nobel Prize did this kid win?! Seriously! I want to know! :lol: 




uhhhhhhhhhhhhh................ I begged them
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December 8, 2010 2:03:58 PM

notty22 said:
Please don't waste your parents money. Until you understand more , what you need, and how it will perform.
Many use 2 monitors for web surfing watching movies.
But NOBODY games on 2 monitors.
Gaming is done on 1, or 3 monitor setups only.
2- 570's would give you more performance than 96% of gamers, so its a high end rig.

Whats your gaming video card now ?



I cant even call it a GAMING video card its the 9400GT

hehe another reason my parents will buy me a new rig


I explained to them how suckish my computer is now
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December 8, 2010 2:11:55 PM

microterf said:
if you (or your parents) can afford it, go with 3 GTX 580s, That's what I have. I have 2 30" Dells and a 26" Viewsonic (going to replace that with the 3rd 30" in february).

My experience is that the 3rd card increases the MIN fps more than the AVG fps in games. I haven't read through the whole post, so I don't know what others all recommended, but go with 3 monitors if you're pushing that power. BTW, 3 570s will work for you as well, but what's $450 savings, if you're dumping $3K+ into a system anyway.

PSU wise, I have a 1200W PC Power and Cooling, you're going to need a good 1200+W PSU. (Mine cost $500) don't forget to factor that cost in also...


Thing is, he (I mean, his parents) don't want to pay for 3 30" monitors.
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December 8, 2010 2:27:06 PM

Psychoteddy said:
Thing is, he (I mean, his parents) don't want to pay for 3 30" monitors.


Actually the only thing my parents will buy for me are 1 or 2 gpu and 1 or 2 of the monitors the rest will be subtracted from my allowance
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December 8, 2010 2:45:17 PM

kyleguy298 said:
I cant even call it a GAMING video card its the 9400GT

hehe another reason my parents will buy me a new rig


I explained to them how suckish my computer is now


I thought so. Buy 1 gtx 580 , ONE, and do some gaming. You don't need to get 2 or 3 before you have ever experienced one.
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December 8, 2010 3:07:54 PM

notty22 said:
I thought so. Buy 1 gtx 580 , ONE, and do some gaming. You don't need to get 2 or 3 before you have ever experienced one.



But I want ps3 level fps
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December 8, 2010 3:09:17 PM

PS3 runs at 60FPS capped. Vsync is the reasoning behind this to prevent screen tearing. A GTX 580 will easily beat out a PS3 in both graphics quality and framerate.
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December 8, 2010 3:50:15 PM

kyleguy298 said:
But I want ps3 level fps


If you want PS3 level FPS get a GTX 260 and turn down all the details PC games have that PS3 games don't

Jesus just get one 570 and 1 1080p monitor and the PS3 cant' touch those graphics
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December 8, 2010 4:07:45 PM

Console graphics are lightyears behind PC graphics. The Xbox 360 was surpassed with the advent of the nVidia 8000/ATi 3000 series GPUs, the PS3 (and arguably sooner) with the GTX 200/ATi 4000 series cards. The GTX 400/500 and their ATi counterparts are just more padding. You could build a $800 gaming machine today capable of beating a PS3/360.
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December 8, 2010 4:39:12 PM

Get the GTX570 in SLI along with a 3D monitor with the Nvidia 3D Vision kit. You will be rocking with awesome graphics. You won't ever come out of your bedroom (or wherever it is you have this thing set up).

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...
"It was no surprise to see the beauty that is SLI scaling with the GeForce GTX 570. Ever since the release of the 400/500 series SLI performance with two cards has been phenomenal. As stated the GTX 580 might run a little quicker on CPU limitations and as such the GTX 570 seems to make a little more sense as you can save money yet be in the very same performance bracket."

"Scaling with the more GPU stringent monitor resolutions starting at 1600x1200 and modern games you can gain 1.6x ~ 1.9x performance with two of these cards and that really is exemplary."

"Now the question remains trivial whether or not you need SLI in this category. Unless you want the excruciating nearly unneeded framerates in your gaming experience, have an extensive e-peen, or just want to impress... really it's your call to make. High-end SLI is expensive and does not make any sense value for for money wise. But everybody knows this right? ... RIGHT?!"
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December 8, 2010 4:50:04 PM

17seconds said:
Get the GTX570 in SLI along with a 3D monitor with the Nvidia 3D Vision kit. You will be rocking with awesome graphics. You won't ever come out of your bedroom (or wherever it is you have this thing set up).

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...
"It was no surprise to see the beauty that is SLI scaling with the GeForce GTX 570. Ever since the release of the 400/500 series SLI performance with two cards has been phenomenal. As stated the GTX 580 might run a little quicker on CPU limitations and as such the GTX 570 seems to make a little more sense as you can save money yet be in the very same performance bracket."

"Scaling with the more GPU stringent monitor resolutions starting at 1600x1200 and modern games you can gain 1.6x ~ 1.9x performance with two of these cards and that really is exemplary."

"Now the question remains trivial whether or not you need SLI in this category. Unless you want the excruciating nearly unneeded framerates in your gaming experience, have an extensive e-peen, or just want to impress... really it's your call to make. High-end SLI is expensive and does not make any sense value for for money wise. But everybody knows this right? ... RIGHT?!"


Yeah man!! This is why I'm running a GTX 295!!! ...wait... I NEED TWO!!!

MOAR POWA!!!
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December 8, 2010 8:39:41 PM

kyleguy298 said:
But I want ps3 level fps



looking for something to show off I would.

Buy a DLP 65” Mitsubishi for $900 from tigerdirect.com + 1 GTX 580 (get more later) 3D glasses $199 and have total $1599 and trust me everyone who cares about gaming would love to play on your rig not many people have really tried the 3D and trust me a internal 3D blu-ray would make this set up even better and is well worth the extra $
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December 8, 2010 8:48:40 PM

Has someone won lottery??
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December 8, 2010 9:06:04 PM

kyleguy298 said:
But I want ps3 level fps


LOL

Kid you have no idea how many people are shaking their heads at you after reading that.

If you go with 3 GTX 580's and play on your single monitor 1080p setup, then you are beyond a moron.

If mommy and daddy can't afford nice monitors, then just get 1 GTX 570 or 580. After all, they ARE the BEST single gpu cards available.
I don't understand any of your logic other than "OMG I WANT TRI-SLI CUZ IT SOUNDS KOOL AND IT WILL BE BETTER THAN ALL MY FRIENDS!!!"

Don't waste your parents money, 1 card will be enough at 1080p.

And btw, ps3 is capped at 60 fps, and with lower quality. You will be getting double that on probably every game you play.
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December 9, 2010 12:57:33 AM

ok I will just just game at 3 1080p monitors at these games maxed out

what would be my best option on the graphics cards
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December 9, 2010 1:27:29 AM

you are doing 3 1080p monitors now?

I'd suggest waiting for the 6900 series cards and either getting 2 6970's or a single 6990 and using EYEFINITY :) 

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December 9, 2010 1:39:54 AM

amk09 said:
you are doing 3 1080p monitors now?

I'd suggest waiting for the 6900 series cards and either getting 2 6970's or a single 6990 and using EYEFINITY :) 



not sure I wanna go for ATI never tried them

how about any Nvidia
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December 9, 2010 1:44:39 AM

kyleguy298 said:
not sure I wanna go for ATI never tried them

how about any Nvidia

I thought you were all fired up about getting at least a couple GTX570's. They will be quieter, give you PhysX, better DirectX 11 performance, better texture filtering, better drivers, better SLI stability and scaling, and better scaling when overclocking. Did I miss anything, oh yeah, you also get 3D Vision Surround capabilities for those three monitors.
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December 9, 2010 1:58:40 AM

17seconds said:
I thought you were all fired up about getting at least a couple GTX570's. They will be quieter, give you PhysX, better DirectX 11 performance, better texture filtering, better drivers, better SLI stability and scaling, and better scaling when overclocking. Did I miss anything, oh yeah, you also get 3D Vision Surround capabilities for those three monitors.



how many should I get 2 maybe 3?
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December 9, 2010 5:08:28 AM

question if I get 3 570's will the HX 1000 be enough or should I really opt for the AX1200
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December 9, 2010 5:19:31 AM

kyleguy298 said:
question if I get 3 570's will the HX 1000 be enough or should I really opt for the AX1200

For three, you should be alright with a good Corsair at 1000 watts:

"GeForce GTX 570 in 2-way SLI
A second card requires you to add another ~225 Watts. You need a 750+ Watt power supply unit if you use it in a high-end system (800+ to a KiloWatt is recommended if you plan on any overclocking)." 750 + 225 = 975 watts for tri-SLI.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...

I would go for two, unless you are trying to set a personal benchmarking record, or going for 3D Vision Surround.
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December 9, 2010 7:07:36 AM

17seconds said:
For three, you should be alright with a good Corsair at 1000 watts:

"GeForce GTX 570 in 2-way SLI
A second card requires you to add another ~225 Watts. You need a 750+ Watt power supply unit if you use it in a high-end system (800+ to a KiloWatt is recommended if you plan on any overclocking)." 750 + 225 = 975 watts for tri-SLI.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...

I would go for two, unless you are trying to set a personal benchmarking record, or going for 3D Vision Surround.



what if I go for 3 cards and overclock it would the 1000 still be enough

and should I buy the superclocked of EVGA or the standard version can just be easily overclocked
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December 9, 2010 9:52:53 AM

If you want ps3 graphics, just get a ps3...
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December 9, 2010 10:34:24 AM

microterf said:
If you want ps3 graphics, just get a ps3...



I have a PS3 so I guess I could say since according to you guys PC can surpass it

I want to surpass it
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December 9, 2010 10:34:45 AM

This is the funniest thread I've read in a long time

You should really do your research before wasting your parents money

How old are you anyway, and what is the budget your parents have given you?

I'm guessing it's close to $2000 since you wanted 3 580's plus a monitor?
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December 9, 2010 10:46:50 AM

kyleguy298 said:
I have a PS3 so I guess I could say since according to you guys PC can surpass it

I want to surpass it


Are you seriously 12 years old?
I'm going to repeat the thing everone said in this thread numerous times.The ps3 has a modified 7950gt in it.The 7950 is slower than the 8800gtx which is a 3 year old gpu(correct me on that if I'm wrong).You can surpass the ps3 using an hd 4850 and a 500$ budget pc.Your current 9400gt is pretty close to ps3 level gaming.Get a single hd 6870 an run triple monitors if you want ps level graphics.
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December 9, 2010 11:05:27 AM

BeCoolBro said:
Are you seriously 12 years old?
I'm going to repeat the thing everone said in this thread numerous times.The ps3 has a modified 7950gt in it.The 7950 is slower than the 8800gtx which is a 3 year old gpu(correct me on that if I'm wrong).You can surpass the ps3 using an hd 4850 and a 500$ budget pc.Your current 9400gt is pretty close to ps3 level gaming.Get a single hd 6870 an run triple monitors if you want ps level graphics.



yes I'm 12

and I wanna play games at max settings for the next 2-4 years
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December 9, 2010 11:14:16 AM

get 3 580s, run your games at 1440x900 and you'll be good running everything max for the next 4 years ;) 
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December 9, 2010 11:26:01 AM

Ah... "Futureproofing".

Kid, if your parents are plunking down $2,000 for Christmas this year, save them the trouble and ask for a new (single) bleeding edge card every year. Advantages:

1.) You get the latest features each consecutive year (DirectX improvements, better performance, etc)

2.) Your parents don't have to spend an exorbitant amount of cash on a technology that will be outdated in 6 mos. Instead, it's less exorbitant.

3.) You don't look like a complete tool for using a single 1080p monitor on 3x SLi.

4.) You don't look like a complete tool for thinking that your computer is future-proof.

5.) You don't look like a complete tool for spending $2000 that your parents earned. Now it's just $500.

6.) I don't bang my head on a desk whilst losing faith in all of humanity and parent-hood.
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December 9, 2010 11:45:38 AM

lmao. I love this thread. Epic.

Please let us know what you end up doing?
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December 9, 2010 1:10:59 PM

kyleguy298 said:
yes I'm 12

and I wanna play games at max settings for the next 2-4 years




Wait...are we being trolled here?

If so i am very disappointed -.-
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December 9, 2010 1:24:47 PM

Nah, too subtle for a troll.
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December 9, 2010 3:50:44 PM

kyleguy298 said:
what if I go for 3 cards and overclock it would the 1000 still be enough

and should I buy the superclocked of EVGA or the standard version can just be easily overclocked

1000 watts will be right at the limit if you overclock. It depends on the rest of the power demands of your system and the quality of your PSU (Corsair is the best). I bet you could pull it off, but you won't have much headroom.

Get the EVGA Superclocks, they use chips that have passed higher level quality binning tests.

I have decided not to editorialize as I don't want to discourage a budding PC enthusiast. Some of the feedback you have received is very valid.
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December 9, 2010 3:52:12 PM

Wait.... trolling?!
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