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February 9, 2011 7:12:43 PM


I would appreciate any critique or advice on this configuration. My target was around 1500 and I'm over. I am thinking of putting off the SSD for a while. I play EQ2 and a couple other role playing. I'm hoping to be able to only add or upgrade for the next 5 years. My wife says for the rest of my life which could be since I am 69 and have a slow form of leukemia CLL. At least I hope it remains slow.
Thank you to anyone who will take the time to respond.
I hope to start my build the first of March. I still have a lot of research and videos to watch

You can see how new I am to this. I can't format and couldnot get the links to work. All prices are newegg except graphics which is tiger direct

Mainboard ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard $214
Processor AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black $199
Heatsink Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler $ 90
Graphics
Cards XFX HD 5850 1GB PCX DDR5 HD-585X-ZABC $191
Memory G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory $210
PSU SeaSonic X Series X-850 (SS-850KM Active PFC F3) 850W $199
CD Burner LITE-ON Black 12X Blu-ray Burner with Blu-ray 3D feature SATA Model iHBS112 - OEM $100
Case Corsair Graphite Series 600T Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $180
SSD Crucial Real SSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1CCA 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $259
HDD Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $90
OS Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $100


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February 9, 2011 7:37:10 PM

IF you want to hit your target the 1500$ build in my siggy works just fine. It gives you room to expand and performs very well.

If you keep your 1090T build:
1) You don't need a C300, they perform as well as the OCZ Vertex's but they aren't worth the amount of price/gig. Also you don't need a 128gb SSD, a 60gb one is good enough for boot.
2) May want to change to the Samsung F3 for a cheaper option and aobut the same speed, the WD Blacks aren't worth the Price/gig ratio either.
3) The ROG boards aren't worth it and cost way to much, switch it out for a cheaper board, a 870 Asrock Extreme3 would do the job just fine. 90$
4) You don't need that much power, plus the Seasonic is wayyyy to expensive. Get a XFX 750 or 650 and you should be fine, that'll save bout 60$
5) You don't need 16gb of ram, 8gb is good enough. That'll save you 100$
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February 9, 2011 7:43:10 PM

thanks for the quick answer. I had 16g memory because I had the noctua which would cover the slots if I ever wanted to up grade. Thanks I will rework and look at your suggestions.
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February 9, 2011 7:47:30 PM

No problem, but I don't think you need a Noctua, it's expensive and really the performance/price isn't very good. If you want a really good bang for buck cooler it'd be the Hyper 212+ Praised highly it's only 27$ w/ Free shipping off of Amazon.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
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February 9, 2011 8:00:39 PM

It does look good and that is a great price
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February 9, 2011 8:07:29 PM

Just my opinion:

1) Unless you run apps that are multi core enabled, the 6 core amd processors are not very good. 4 cores will give you better clock speeds from each of the 4 cores.
Intel will give you better performance per clock than AMD, this is particularly true of the sandy bridge processors. For a long term solution, see if you can't wait for the revised motherboards to reappear. That should be march or april. Look for the 2500K. It competes with the i7-980X in some apps.

2) Get a SSD, it is the best performance product you can buy today. If needed, gat a large hard drive for storage and backups.

3) Something like a 5850 is good, if you will not be playing fast action games.

4) A quality 650W psu will handle the strongest single graphics card available today. The 5850 needs much less, more like a 500w unit:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-rad...
Seasonic is very good. XFX,Corsair, Antec, and PC P&C are also good.

5) If you love the corsair 600T case, fine, get it. My all time favorite quiet case is the Antec SOLO:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It is quiet, with insulated sides and baffled intakes.

6) Unless you use an app that is enabled to use lots of ram, like CS5, 8gb will be plenty.

7) The Noctua coolers and fans are very good.

8) Download and read the manuals for your motherboard and case before you order. Many questions will be answered.

----------bottom line--------------------
Take your time, research, ans see if you can't get a sandy bridge system. You won't regret it.

8) Do you have a monitor? Regardless, plan on a second sometime. Dual monitors make everything so much easier.
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February 9, 2011 8:35:12 PM

Sorry to hear of your illness.

here's my suggestion, all prices Newegg:

AS Rock 870 Extreme 3 mobo: $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Phenom II X6 1090t: $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2x Sapphire 6870: $220 ea (w/ $20 rebate) $440
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX 650W: $99 (w/ $30 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill Challenger Case: $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB HDD: $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ vertex 2 120GB HDD: $220 (w/ $20 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1333: $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(get 2 if you want 16GB, but 8 should be all you need)

LG 10x Blu-Ray Burner: $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(comes w/ free software and 3D Glasses)

Hyper 212+: $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Win 7 OEM: $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is only $1478 instead of $2000, but just as good, if not better than your original build. The difference could buy a decent 1920x1080 monitor or two.
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February 10, 2011 10:27:20 PM

What do you think of this graphics card? EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 SC
The SC bothers me.
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February 10, 2011 10:30:24 PM

the 470 is good, if a bit older now, and will work great with any PC. however, you will not be able to do SLI with an AMD Chipset, the only downside of AMD + NVidia. If you stick to just 1 GPU, it's not a problem.
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February 10, 2011 10:31:18 PM

Well it's outdated =P I suggest the 560 Ti if your looking at the 470, it's basically the same card but with better perf/watt and just better everything. The 560 was meant to replace the 470.
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February 12, 2011 4:01:45 PM

I am gradually getting through all your suggestions. thank you.

The two most difficult, one of which is important, is the graphics card and the cd burner, mainly because even in the same manufacturer there are multiple variations.
I take it my choice of the 5850 is not the best. And I gather going the nvidia route will limit me from going sli later. I can't use a dual channel like the 5970 which is 2 souped up 5850's on one board. My game EQ2 will only use half.

I like the 200 250 price point of the Sapphire 6870 suggested by screwy sqrl and I could go Xfire later. Where does this rank? I've looked at the Tom's hardware charts and can't even find it. And I have a hard time using the charts because I don't know the games that they are bench marking. ( the 5850 single does not look to bad)

On the CD reader etc I don't need a blu ray burner but I would like to be able to play blu ray and my wife has me burning a lot of cd's so I would like that to be reliable and fast.

Any help with either of these? If you are tired of responding I understand and thanks.

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February 12, 2011 5:33:05 PM

redsjava said:
I am gradually getting through all your suggestions. thank you.

The two most difficult, one of which is important, is the graphics card and the cd burner, mainly because even in the same manufacturer there are multiple variations.
I take it my choice of the 5850 is not the best. And I gather going the nvidia route will limit me from going sli later. I can't use a dual channel like the 5970 which is 2 souped up 5850's on one board. My game EQ2 will only use half.

I like the 200 250 price point of the Sapphire 6870 suggested by screwy sqrl and I could go Xfire later. Where does this rank? I've looked at the Tom's hardware charts and can't even find it. And I have a hard time using the charts because I don't know the games that they are bench marking. ( the 5850 single does not look to bad)

On the CD reader etc I don't need a blu ray burner but I would like to be able to play blu ray and my wife has me burning a lot of cd's so I would like that to be reliable and fast.

Any help with either of these? If you are tired of responding I understand and thanks.

Hold on until early April for the 1155 P67 mother boards !!! Down below is some benchmarks worth looking at.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2...

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/296542-28-sandy-bridg...

http://www.guru3d.com/news/core-i5-2500k--core-i7-2600k...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-rev...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/01/03/intel-...

Now here's a build to give you an idea of what you would be looking at cost wise come April.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $124.99 FREE SHIPPING
Seasonic SS-850HT 850W ATX12V v2.31,EPS12V v2.92 80Plus Silver Certified, Active PFC Power Supply - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $152.99
ASRock P67 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Price: $238.98
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $359.99
GIGABYTE GV-N570OC-13I GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $129.99 FREE SHIPPING $20 off w/ promo code EMCKHJJ39, ends 2/17
Pioneer Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Internal Blu-ray Burner Blu-ray Burner BDR-206BKS - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $229.99 - $209.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD3-2VTX120G 3.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Price: $159.98 FREE SHIPPING
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
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February 13, 2011 12:27:36 PM

I guess April is my new target. The reviews are awesome. Thanks
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February 13, 2011 6:55:39 PM

Ahhh, that is for OEM's only. Another option would my my build in my siggy, which amounts to around the same price :p 
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February 14, 2011 6:20:55 PM

for where the 6870 ranks:

Cards go basocally like this, from weakest to strongest:

HD 5450
GT 430
HD 5550
HD 5570
HD 5650
GT 440
HD 5670
HD 5750
GTS 450
HD 5770
GTX 460 SE
GTX 460 768
GTX 460 1 GB
HD 6850
HD 6870
GTX 560
HD 6950
HD 6970
GTX 570
HD 5890
GTX 580
(HD 6990) -- NOT OUT YET
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February 14, 2011 8:47:46 PM

Crucials 64gb SSD is on sale right now. Win7 64 bit only takes about 20gb. Plenty of space for several other programs. Price/performance wise, I'd suggest sticking with AMD. The Intel Sandy Bridge is probably more than you'll come close to utilizing. Also, dropping to a Phenom II X4, such as the 955 or 965, could bring you back to your target budget. There aren't many programs using 6 cores.
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February 14, 2011 9:23:54 PM

jockey said:
Crucials 64gb SSD is on sale right now. Win7 64 bit only takes about 20gb. Plenty of space for several other programs. Price/performance wise, I'd suggest sticking with AMD. The Intel Sandy Bridge is probably more than you'll come close to utilizing. Also, dropping to a Phenom II X4, such as the 955 or 965, could bring you back to your target budget. There aren't many programs using 6 cores.

The OP has a $1500 budget. and is looking for a build that will last him for the next 5-6 years. I posted a SB build on here w/gtx 560 and a chance to add another one for $1,000 less case (a nice CM 922 HAF for $100+ free shipping) would bring that build up to $1,100. Now add a $200 120gb SSD and the OP is still under his budget by $200. Now take in the fact that those 1155 mobo's (Sandy Bridge) not only support the 32mm SB chips, but will also support the new 22mm Ivy Bridge cpu's coming out next year...the OP would have to have gotten a lobotomy to step down to a AMD build with zero chance of upgrading other than another vid card.
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February 14, 2011 9:49:33 PM

An AMD build won't last 5-6 years? What kind of software is coming out that is going to be more CPU intensive than GPU intensive? The trend I see is graphics performance with eye-candy displays. Systems that are 5-6 years old right now can benifit greatly from a GPU upgrade.
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February 14, 2011 10:43:59 PM

jockey said:
An AMD build won't last 5-6 years? What kind of software is coming out that is going to be more CPU intensive than GPU intensive? The trend I see is graphics performance with eye-candy displays. Systems that are 5-6 years old right now can benifit greatly from a GPU upgrade.

You don't get it do you ? I could throw a factory o/c gtx 570 in that build, switch out the psu to a XFX 850w and still come under the OP's budget of $1,500.

The OP can add another factory o/c gtx570 later on if he so choose, and he can even switch cpu's to the new 22mm Ivy Bridge coming out next year which has been rumored to be able to o/c to 6.0ghz.

Now if you can post a better build than that using AMD go for it....I would love to see that AMD build.


http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2... <----- Where's the top AMD cpu on that chart ?.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/296542-28-sandy-bridg...

http://www.guru3d.com/news/core-i5-2500k--core-i7-2600k...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-rev...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/01/03/intel-...
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February 14, 2011 11:36:45 PM

Intel has the best, there's no argument there. I'm going for what would be sufficient for the OP. Sorry, I don't get into "Fanboy" arguments. Intel and AMD each have positives and negatives. Bottom line is their co-existence in the market place is a plus for us all.
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February 14, 2011 11:41:53 PM

jockey said:
Intel has the best, there's no argument there. I'm going for what would be sufficient for the OP. Sorry, I don't get into "Fanboy" arguments. Intel and AMD each have positives and negatives. Bottom line is their co-existence in the market place is a plus for us all.

I'm not getting in the "fanboy mode" either...It's called Reality.

When you have someone who has a budget of $1,500 who wants something to last 5-6 years down the road ( UPGRADE PATH ) and actually might want to play newer games...like ones that are coming out between now and 2015...well then it's pretty much a no brainer imo.
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February 14, 2011 11:46:22 PM

Well technically if he wanted those, he should wait for BD or Ivy Bridge which would have PCI 3.0 (I don't remember if BD has 3.0). So meh, just my two cents.
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February 15, 2011 12:00:35 AM

aznshinobi said:
Well technically if he wanted those, he should wait for BD or Ivy Bridge which would have PCI 3.0 (I don't remember if BD has 3.0). So meh, just my two cents.

1155 P67 mobo's will run the Ivy Bridge cpu's ... there's those words again...upgrade path.
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February 15, 2011 12:44:13 AM

I was referring to Z67 or whatever they're going to call it. I don't believe that will be the same socket as SB.
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February 15, 2011 12:58:07 AM

Intel has stated that it will be compatible with the 1155 socket.
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February 15, 2011 1:02:07 AM

Ahhh so im pretty behind on this trend. Oh well, I'd be happy with a 2500K
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February 15, 2011 1:14:10 AM

aznshinobi said:
Ahhh so im pretty behind on this trend. Oh well, I'd be happy with a 2500K

Your behind ? lol... I never even heard of that Z68 until you just posted about it. I did a google on it...it's going to be like the H57 1156 boards. yay :)  Although I'm not sure what market it's going to get seeing how it seems to fall somewhere in between the P67 and H57. If it's cheaper than the P67 boards..it's a winner imo.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/MSI-Intel-Z68-Motherboar... <--- here's more on it.
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February 15, 2011 1:16:24 AM

Ahhhhh Z68 that's right.
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February 15, 2011 1:37:27 AM

I googled it right before my post, I thought I heard they were doing that. Tom's has an article and some threads on it also. Looks like a solid jump in the nano sector.
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February 26, 2011 7:52:38 PM

All the answers were great and helped a lot. I selected Why because it changed my direction.

Thank you
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February 26, 2011 7:53:04 PM

Best answer selected by redsjava.
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February 26, 2011 7:54:18 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
for where the 6870 ranks:

Cards go basocally like this, from weakest to strongest:

HD 5450
GT 430
HD 5550
HD 5570
HD 5650
GT 440
HD 5670
HD 5750
GTS 450
HD 5770
GTX 460 SE
GTX 460 768
GTX 460 1 GB
HD 6850
HD 6870
GTX 560
HD 6950
HD 6970
GTX 570
HD 5890
GTX 580
(HD 6990) -- NOT OUT YET

thanks that really helps
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