Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

Socket 1366 and the future

Tags:
Last response: in CPUs
Share
May 11, 2011 9:44:40 AM

Hello forum,

I'd like to 'pick your brains' a little.

I am currently using the following setup:

*Intel i7 920 d0 at stock, or when needed overclocked to 3.8ghz [180*21, 1.28v idle, droop to 1.232 at load. BIOS set to 1.335 IIRC --all from CPU-Z while running GUI], EIST and Hyperthreading enabled
*GTX 470 at stock or 788/1950/1.037v
*6GB RAM 3*2 -- Crucial Ballistix
*Gigabyte EX58-UD3r 1.6
*1 WD Black drive [boot] 1TB/7200/64MB
*1 Spinpoint 1TB
*Cooler Master Silent Pro 700W
* iiyama 1900*1080 Monitor
*Cooler Master Storm Scout case
*Zalman CNPS-10x Extreme

So - The questions are:

What will be the fastest 1366 processor produced?

Though the above setup, especially when overclocked, is fast enough for most things, I do fid it dips down to the 40FPS level with Crysis and Assassins Creed, and I am looking to keep playing on this for a while yet. Always play at max settings for everything, though I find AA is not always an improvement.... So, yeah, I'll want to max the x58 board with a kick-ass 6 or 8 core chip in a year or two, will there be a 6 core 4GHz stock, or some other worthwhile upgrade available in the future? Or an Intel Overdrive Module ;) 

Is the best course for upgrading the graphics, to add a second 470?

That was to be the plan, super easy power bump when the 470 is dirt cheap, but in my haste to secure the case and PSU combo, I kind of forgot that, and now I'm not sure 700W would be enough for a 200W 6 core overclocked-future-chip-to-be, and a pair of 470s, even at stock. I can of course, also change the PSU, but is that any cheaper than buying two lower-power consumption cards in the future...?

When will a 160/180 GB SSD be a solid, value speed boot? LIke £150 value!

The reason for these questions: I am posting here as the x58 seems to have oodles of chipset bandwidth, so I figured this platform was a solid future bet when I built the machine 1yr ago, but now I'm worried there's going to be little in the way of plug-in upgrades available... :(  And I've just watched the Unreal Samaritan Video on YouTube. I want to play games with graphics that good, or better, in the future. Whenever the bloody console manufacturers release the next-gen machines, that is.... /rant


Thanks for any input,

GfS

More about : socket 1366 future

a b à CPUs
May 11, 2011 10:03:03 AM

I don't think Intel will bother with any more 1366 processors. The 990X is plenty fast but also damn expensive. As time passes and Intel move on to Sandy Bridge-E / Ivy Bridge generation of CPU's, the X58's will probably become cheaper.
May 11, 2011 10:17:51 AM

Really, that's gonna be it?

Any other comments on the setup? What's the overclock like in terms of speed:voltage. Max temps are about 58 degrees C
Related resources
a c 82 à CPUs
May 11, 2011 11:38:20 AM

you already have a great CPU, even better when overclocked. Its not worth upgrading until intel 8 core ivy bridges are here. and even then its not necessary your current cpu should max everything. a vid card upgrade is the only worth while thing for your system . Unfortunately intel love changing sockets a lot, more and more frequently.
a c 102 à CPUs
May 11, 2011 6:05:59 PM

I agree its unlikely intel will release any better x58 CPUs. A second 470 most likely makes most sense for a GPU upgrade as long as you can keep 2 cool enough. No idea when SDDs will come down that much in price I think it will be a slow move down to that price.
a c 471 à CPUs
May 12, 2011 6:25:11 AM

iam2thecrowe said:
you already have a great CPU, even better when overclocked. Its not worth upgrading until intel 8 core ivy bridges are here.


Even then it's not going to matter for games since there aren't too many games that can use 4 cores much less 8 cores.

8 cores should be great for video encoding though.
a c 99 à CPUs
May 12, 2011 2:16:05 PM

gofasterstripes said:

So - The questions are:

What will be the fastest 1366 processor produced?


The fastest LGA1366 chip produced as far as clock speed is concerned is the very limited-quantity Xeon X5698, a 4.4 GHz dual-core with 12 MB of L3 cache. The fastest as far as total throughput is concerned will be either the existing the i7-990X/Xeon W3690/Xeon X5690 or chips that are one clock speed bin above that. LGA1366 is pretty much done and will be replaced by LGA2011 in six months or so.

Quote:
Is the best course for upgrading the graphics, to add a second 470?

That was to be the plan, super easy power bump when the 470 is dirt cheap, but in my haste to secure the case and PSU combo, I kind of forgot that, and now I'm not sure 700W would be enough for a 200W 6 core overclocked-future-chip-to-be, and a pair of 470s, even at stock. I can of course, also change the PSU, but is that any cheaper than buying two lower-power consumption cards in the future...?


You could also keep the same PSU and swap the 470 for a single more powerful card like a GeForce 580. That will probably cost about the same considering you won't have to upgrade the PSU.

Quote:
When will a 160/180 GB SSD be a solid, value speed boot? LIke £150 value!


SSDs do have a noticeable impact on performance today, as long as they are used as OS/boot/application drives. You probably won't need a 160-180 GB unit unless you plan to install a ton of applications/games. 60/80/100 GB ought to be plenty large enough for an OS/boot/application drive.

Quote:
The reason for these questions: I am posting here as the x58 seems to have oodles of chipset bandwidth, so I figured this platform was a solid future bet when I built the machine 1yr ago, but now I'm worried there's going to be little in the way of plug-in upgrades available... :(  And I've just watched the Unreal Samaritan Video on YouTube. I want to play games with graphics that good, or better, in the future. Whenever the bloody console manufacturers release the next-gen machines, that is.... /rant


Intel likes to change sockets about as quickly as a spoiled teenage girl changes her wardrobe. You have some room to upgrade your i7-920 as you can put a Gulftown-based unit in there and get more cores and more clock speed. It's not an enormous upgrade, but it would provide at least a moderate boost in performance. The prices on the top LGA1366 CPUs are ridiculous at the moment and won't get to be in the realm of reasonable for a couple of years. If you're already looking to upgrade an i7-920, my guess is you won't want to wait that long and you may be better-served to just to ahead and buy a new system with a new board and new socket. Just keep in mind that you will very likely NOT be able to do a significant upgrade on whatever machine you decide to get since Intel's sockets change so quickly. Figure at best you'll be in the situation you are in now- you can upgrade to a die-shrunk version of the CPU you already have with maybe a slightly higher clock speed and core count, but NOT any chips with a different microarchitecture.
May 12, 2011 4:11:56 PM

I'm in the same boat as you:

i7-920 @ 3.6 GHz, GTX 570, 12GB ram, Vertex 2 120GB SSD boot (got it for $150USD off a Newegg sale), and 2x WD 640GB in Raid 0 for data.

Notice this article:

http://www.techpowerup.com/144408/Leaked-Roadmap-Reveal...

Quote:
Other short-term changes given out by that slide includes:

New non-XE Core i7 980 "Gulftown" LGA1366 six-core chip clocked at 3.33 GHz, with 12 MB L3 cache, 6.4 GT/s QPI, very soon, in Q2 2011
Core i7 995X Extreme Edition in Q3 2011
Non-XE Core i7 990 around the same time as 995X
New Core i7 >2600K, new LGA1155 chip faster than 2600K in Q3
<b>Core i7 970 could get more affordable in Q3</b>


I'd wait until Q3 and see what happens with the 970. It would be really nice if they could unlock a quad-core, like an i7-960X, but I doubt we'll see that, as it destroys any incentive to move up in price to an unlocked six core.
a b à CPUs
May 12, 2011 4:30:15 PM

Yeah, there are already two new sockets (LGA 1356 and LGA 2011) on the horizon, so LGA 1366 is mostly done.

LGA 1356:
TDP 95, 80, <80W
Triple-channel memory
--(supports 1600 w/ one DIMM per channel or 1333 w/ two DIMMs per channel of 1.5v spec memory)
--(supports 1333 w/ one DIMM per channel or 1066 w/ two DIMMs per channel of 1.35v spec memory)
--(6 DIMMs per socket max)
Up to 24 PCIe Gen3 lanes
Up to one QPI link (for dual-socket boards)
Uses Patsburg PCH

LGA 2011:
TDP 150, 130, 95, 80, <80W
Quad-channel memory
--(supports 1600 w/ one DIMM per channel or 1333 w/ two DIMMs per channel or 800 w/ three DIMMs per channel of 1.5v spec memory)
--(supports 1333 w/ one DIMM per channel or 1066 w/ two DIMMs per channel of 1.35v spec memory)
--(12 DIMMs per socket max)
Up to 40 PCIe Gen3 lanes
Up to two QPI links (for dual-socket or quad-socket boards)
Uses Patsburg PCH
May 24, 2011 9:27:43 PM

Thanks for all your input, I will take this into consideration [and keep my eyes on ebay for a 990x or 980x for the next 5 years ;)  ].

Take care guys.

GfS
!