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Hello,
I want to build a new computer. right now I have
e8500 @ 3,8GHz
4GB Corsair Dominator DDR
Evga 790i ultra sli
1 GTX 275

I just need motherboard/Case/Memory/CPU/2 Video Cards/Power Suply/SSD/I have a 600GB VelociRaptor I can use for Data/DVD-Blue ray Reader + Burner

What is the best I can get for 2000$ maybe up to 2500$

What I need the computer for?
Play World Of Warcraft (while Alt + Tab to play Evony, Facebook, download crap, burn a DVD or blue Ray)

Thanks
 
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Might want to follow the guidelines from the link in my signature. We can't really help without more details. It's really important to know how low you can wait, as Intel's Sandy Bridge was recalled due to a motherboard design flaw. Those CPUs absolutely destroyed everything else out right now, and to build anything without them would be a big mistake.

Right off the bat, I can tell you that you don't need to be spending $2,000 to play WoW, not matter what else you're doing at the same time.
 
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http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2010/Gaming-Left-4-Dead,2432.html <--- I would strongly recommend you wait until early April when the 1155 P67 mobo's are on the shelves. These Sandy Bridge cpu's clock higher, run cooler, and not any more expensive than a 1366 build ...actually a SB build is cheaper.

This build contains two o/c gtx 560's in SLI. Just take out of this build what you don't need (already have).

http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6606 <--- more info on that case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197 $99.98 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207003 $129.99 - $99.99 after mail-in rebate
XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W ATX12V v2.2 / ESP12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.592174 Combo Price: $474.99
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950
ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029 $44.96 - $24.96 after mail-in rebate FREE SHIPPING
XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V REV.W with ACK-I5361 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler I7 i5 775 1155 and AMD compatible

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154003 $6.99 FREE SHIPPING
Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226181 $89.99 FREE SHIPPING
Mushkin Enhanced Radioactive 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 998983

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363 $249.99
GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363 $249.99
GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136177 $16.99 FREE SHIPPING
LG Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.591429 Combo Price: $159.98 FREE SHIPPING
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

Total: $1,523.85 *not including shipping, rebates, etc...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551 $219.99 - $199.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236100 $159.99 - $149.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING $15 off w/ promo code EMCKHJK25, ends 2/16
Asus VE228H 21.5" Full HD HDMI LED BackLight LCD Monitor w/Speakers ASCR 10,000,000:1
 
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I just need a New PC, I bough this one 5years ago, and I had to replace few parts (like video Card, Memory, 2 times Power Suply)

but I think if I am going to buy a computer, I spent 2k and it will last me 5 more years. I will definatly wait for the new Sandy Brigde I guess

I was just confuse, I see with 2k I can buy the best AMD available, best motherboard, best procesor, 8 GB ram, etc

but on the intel side, is too confusing, I Want the I7 950, but I dont know what Motherboard will be best, and for Video Cards. I am still confuse 2x 6950 or 2x GTX 570
 
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Thanks why_me

I dont need a Monitor, I am using a 22inch Gateway and its still pretty good.

its 2 GTX 560 Femi good enough, or I can get something better maybe 570GTX ?

and maybe another Board. I never use Asus, only EVGA and Gigabyte ( I will avoid EVGA though)


and 6GB ram is enough?


thanks for the Quick replys
 
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That o/c 560 runs close to the 570, and it uses far less power, and runs cooler seeing how it's on a new chipset. The cheapest Gigabyte board that runs SLI @ 8x & 8x is the UD5 (seeing how the phased out the UD4) is $100 more and totally not worth the extra cost imo. Read some of the reviews on that Asus board before you make a firm decision. 6gb of RAM is plenty imo, but it wouldn't hurt to go with 12gb either.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.602907 Combo Price: $554.98
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor BX80601950
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD5 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231358 $169.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9T-12GBRL
 
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You don't need more than 4 GB if you're not doing a lot of encoding/rendering. 6 GB is the minimum you should get with an LGA1366 build.

That said, you should definitely wait for Sandy Bridge to come back. The i7-2600K is only $330, yet it outperforms the older i7-980X (a $1,000, six core CPU). It easily offered a good 20-50% performance over the i7-950 for the same cost. You'd also same money on the motherboard (the best was the ASRock P67 Extreme4 for $153) and RAM (dual channel instead of triple channel).

As for the rest of Why_Me's builds, they're pretty good. The motherboards aren't the best choices. If I had to get an LGA1366 board, I'd only look at the Gigaybte GA-X58A-UD3R. Also, all LGA1366 boards run 16x/16x Crossfire/SLI, at least for the first two slots. It's the main advantage of the chipset, if you can call a 3-4% gain for $50 an advantage.

I'd probably also go with a single GTX 580 for $500 instead of dual 560s. Pair that with an 850W to allow for Crossfire later. The dual 560s may offer more power, but you'd have no room for the expansion that you'd need to do to get the best performance down the road. You could even spring for dual 580s with your budget.
 
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I like the Rig why_me set up for me

but after reading your lovely answers, I made up my mind on something

I will get the I7 2600K (some websites are selling it, I dont know if I should get one of those or Wait)
AS Rock P67 Pro (I also see some websites selling this board)
2x4GB Gskill Memory
120GB SSd and Windows 7 64bit
and 2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125349
but I dont know if 2x6950 Radeon will be MORE than enough for the game I play. still I dont know if in 3 years, they will make the game better, and I will need the 580 GTXs

 
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The problem isn't with the Sandy Bridge CPUs, it's with the board. It involves the SATA ports' performance degrading over time. It's a problem with every LGA1155 board, so I wouldn't buy the CPU or board until it's fixed.

As for the 6950s, they're pretty good. However, you've got the budget to do better, so you should. In reality, a single GTX 560 or higher is enough to play ANYTHING right now. Since you're looking to play WoW, you don't even need that much power. Again, you've got the money for it, so you might as well get the best machine you can.
 
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hmm now that I think about it

my Original Idea was to get

Phenon II 1100T
Crosshair Asus motherboard
8GB ram
2x6970 ATI

but the only reason I didnt do it, was the Dual Channel, vs Triple Channels. but I see now that the I7 2600k only use Dual channel, is that a disadvantage?
 
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Dual vs. triple channel means absolutely nothing. It's just a "requirement" of the board. Really, you could use any number of sticks of RAM on any board, and there would be little difference.

The X6s are a horrible idea. They perform worse than the X4 955 in games, and are outperformed by the old i5-760 and i7-930 in just about every way. They do have an advantage in a very select few programs, but they're not worth the cost. As for the Crosshair boards, they're overpriced as well. Again, more than 4 GB of RAM isn't needed for the vast majority of builds. Finally, the 6970 is a waste of money. The 6950s (the 2 GB versions) can be soft modded through a BIOS update to get the same performance. All you'd need to do is download the HD 6970 BIOS and install it on the 6950.

Really, there is little reason to build an AMD system right now, unless you've got less than $700-800 to spend. Once you have more than that, you should be waiting for Sandy Bridge to be fixed.
 
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Excelent Explanation.

I guess my last question about this will be. Intel is the way to go, what about Ati vs Nvidia

my first card was a Radeon 10 years ago, and it was the best card ever

then I replace it when I buy this PC 5 years ago, and I had 1 8800GTX
that card disapointed me, I pay 700$ for it, and only last about 2 years before I broke. send it to Evga and they sent me a 9800GTX that took then 2 months to send, by the time I got it, I already had a GTX 275 thats what I am using now. but I saw some reviews claiming that crossfire is better than Sli, maybe you can light that up for me as well.

does 2x580GTX worth the money and why?
 
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The choice between ATI and nVidia really comes down to price ranges. One company isn't better than the over across the board, with the exception of non-gaming tasks. Basically, there's a heirarchy to the best GPUs. You pick whichever one fits the budget best. My ranking is this:

HD 5770
GTX 460
HD 6850
HD 6870
HD 6950 1 GB
GTX 560
HD 6950 2 GB (soft modded to a HD 6970)
GTX 580

Generally, nVidia cards are more powerful than the "equivalent" ATI card. However, the brands' prices are well tiered, so that you won't see an ATI card for the same price as a nVidia card. Instead, the ATI card will be a little cheaper, which often offsets the slightly lower performance. In addtion, ATI cards typically overclock better and use less power. The GTX 460 and 560 are exceptions to that.

Crossfire IS NOT better than SLI. If anything, it's the reverse. The scaling (the performance gain of adding the second card) is higher with nVidia cards than with ATI cards. Typically, SLI gives you a 65-75% performance while Crossfire is down around 55-65%. However, it's not enough to make a huge difference, and the exact numbers differ based on the drivers being used.
 
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The reason why people are suggesting a GTX 580 instead of 2x 560Ti's is because if you want to upgrade from the 560Ti's you need to buy 2 new cards. That means $500 now and more later.
A single GTX 580 will perform a bit less, for the same price, but if you need more performance down the road, buy another GTX 580, giving you significantly bigger performance, and the 2nd card if bought many months down the line may only cost $400~. By buying SLI first up with the build, you have no avenues to upgrade except by replacing both cards. That said a single then another GTX 570 down the line is also very inviting. For WOW, you could even get a GTS 450 and play very comfortably. A GTX 580 will blow WoW out of the water.

I'd suggest either a single 570 or 580, with $300 saved for a 2nd 570, or 450 for a second 580 if you need extra performance in 2-3 years time. (Only really gonna happen if you switch to a different and very gpu intensive game).

That means waiting for the i7 2600k - 2 GTX 580's are bottlenecked by any processor at the moment so best wait for the 2600k. 8 GB of RAM in dual channel with the 1155 socket will be in fact too much, but it won't hurt - You can pick up 2x2 gigs of 1600MHZ CAS 8 RAM for $30, so 60 for 2 of those packs won't set you back much and will allow you to overclock well. However getting a 580 with an eye to get a 2nd one means a very good and large output power supply initially.
AX 1200 or HX 1000 are very good, although some antecs will be great too.

 
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@vibhas: I don't really like the 570. It's in a bad postion when the HD 6950 can be turned in a similarly performing 6970. I'd get either the 6950 or GTX 580, but nothing inbetween.

Where are you finding 4 GB of DDR3 1600 for $30? The cheapest (quality) 2x2 GB DDR3 sticks I know of is Corsair's XMS3 CAS Latency 9 sticks for $40 (after rebate). I'd also recommend if you wanted 8 GB to just get a 2x4 GB set. They're around $80, and would leave room to upgrade later on. Two 2x2 GB kits (8 GB total) would fill up all the RAM slots, making an upgrade more expensive.

You don't need a lot of power now days. To run SLI GTX 580s, you'd only need an 850W. The only reason you'd touch a 1000W+ unit is if you were trying to SLI 3+ 580s (4 of anything less than that) or SLI two GTX 480s. A good 850W (from Corsair, Antec, Silverstone, SeaSonic or XFX) would be perfect for dual 580s.
 
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Hello fellow WoW player =). Here is a link that might help you decide on some of your hardware. Helped me out alot.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-directx-11-performance,2793.html


Also
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-ti-gf114,2845-12.html




Somthing else i would point out, if you are a 25 man raider, I would go with the best of the best you can afford. Alot of people say that you do not need a powerful system to play wow, but that is just not the case when you raid in 25 man content. when I am not raiding i get anywhere between 70 and 120fps but while raiding in a 25 man my fps drops to around 10 to 15 fps while fighting a boss with everyones special effects going off. And my latencey is 40ms, so it is not my connection. I am also about to build a new computer, this 15 fps for raiding has fianally started to bug me. I will be going with the 580 gtx ( sli gtx580 in the future when they figure out the bug w sli and WoW) and a i5 2500k. Hope this helps.
 
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Hehe, the rebate ended, but its $35 for a different 2x2 stick.

Try search next time for these filters 240pin DDR3 > 1600MHZ > 4 GB (2x2) > "Lowest Price"

go down a few - The under $40 are all rebate ones ...

i.e. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227653

That's probably the best $35 one.
CAS 9 but 1.35 voltage leaves lotta ocing. and for $40 a CAs 7 1.65 v kit.
Yeah, I was leaving room for mega OCing on that 1000HX, especially if he wanted a 3rd one. I mean, its only like what $50 more and you gotta great quality gonna last 10 years psu!
 
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I'd toss all that stuff and start anew....tho I'd save the GFX card for PhysX

If ya can manage to cool ya jets till April .... About $2,200

Case - $140 - Antec DF-85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.591259
PSU - $120 - Antec CP-850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371024
Case Fans - $15 - Antec 120 mm Fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209006
MoBo - $270 - ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution Currently unavailable
CPU - $330 - Intel Core i5-2600K Currently unavailable
Cooler - $70 - Antec Kuhler 620 http://store.antec.com/Product/cooling-cpu_cooler/kuhler-h2o-620/0-761345-77085-9.aspx
TIM - included
RAM - $155 - (2 x 4GB) Mushkin CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226178
GFX - $350 - Asus GTX 570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121412
GFX - $350 - Same
HD - $55 - Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
SSD - $200 - OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551
DVD Writer - - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135221
OS - $140 - Win 7-64 Pro OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

If ya wanna keep ya GTX 275 for PhyX, I'd consider upgrading that PSU to the Antec HCP line. The SLI zone says that an 850 watter can handle 3 470's (which is equivalent to the twin 570's + 275) but that would mean using molex thingies for the 275 which again, since its doing PhysX should not eb drawing as much power and therefore be OK. The HCP-850 has enough connectors. The CP-1000 has more headroom but also would require Molex thingies for the 275. The HCP-1200 has mucho headroom and many extra PCI-E connectors (8) but adds about $150 to ya build cost. The Corsair HX100 and Ax1200 are also listed certified options in the "SLI Zone". Both have enough connectors for 3 cards (6 PCI-E)

http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html

If ya can't wait.....for $55 more, swap these out

$330 ASUS P6T6 WS Revolution http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131358
$300 Intel i7-950 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211
$180 12 GB (2 sets of CAS 6 DDR3-1600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226181

Other choices .... well one 6970 competes well with one 570 but twin 570's outperformed the twin 6970's (total in games tested of 873 fps to 825) in Guru3D's test, so the only other "upgrade" would be the 580's. Three 580's would be handled by either the Antec HCP 1200 or Corsair AX1200 so two 580's and the 270 wouldn't be a hindrance. X-firing 3 ATI cards is not a place ya wanna be.

Almst forgot but it needs to be said .... one 570 and a $1500 budget is all ya need to play WoW ar the highest settings. Or maybe ya have ya eye on this

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-surround-technology.html
 
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OCZ sticks don't count. They're horrible. They have a wide variety of compatibility issues with a number of chipsets and boards. Their DDR3 sticks are so bad that the company is going to stop making RAM.

@Jack: I still hate the 570. Also, you can get a lot of 2x4 GB kits of RAM for a lot less than $155. CAS Latency 7 is nice to have, but it's not worth $50 over 1600 mhz CL 9. You could save $40 by getting the HAF 922. Not only that, but that Asus board is massively overpriced. I'd rather have either the ASRock P67 Extreme4 for $153 or the Asus P8P67 Pro for around $190. If you make all those changes, you'd get down to $2,000, which would easily let you upgrade to dual GTX 580s.

Also, I wouldn't keep the GTX 275 as a dedicated PhyX card. It won't really do that much when you already have a couple of massive nVidia GPUs.
 
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In reply to the benchmarks I posted earlier. They were from a flight path to flight path overall fps. With that being said a raid environment is a totally different beast. I would love for someone to benchmark a 25 man raid environment on these cards over a period of a month to actually see how they compare to the so called benchmarks they have now on WoW. Also Nivida and Blizzard have both said that SLI does not work correctly with the game. Just google WoW and SLI and you will see what I mean. I am hoping with my new system 2500k 580gtx ect... that what everyone says, that it will be overkill will be true. I am skeptical though that at highest settings in a 25 man raid I will be able to pull 60fps consistently even with my new set up.
 
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I dont really wanna wait, but base on the info I read 1 I7 2600K is even better than 1 I7 980X so its worth to wait, plus I play WOW on full settins and I get decent 40 FPS right now. so I wont die waiting for 2 months.
 
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The 1250W version of the psu got 9/10 from jonnyguru - Thats up there with corsair/antec. If the 1000 W is any where near as good as its big brother, then its going to be GREAT value mate. Saves you $100¬++.

However, if ur getting the i7 2600k, id recommend the 2500k becuase its really not worth the $100. They both overclock to the same level, and the difference is rather small. For $100 more.
 
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