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Which gfx card to upgrade from 8400gs for WOW

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December 12, 2010 10:46:39 AM

Hello guys, I recently bought a new PC from eBay, the specs are: AMD athlon ii x4 640 (3ghz), 4GB ddr3 ram 1333MHz, nvidia 7025 onboard graphics, 400w PSU (dont know brand name only the power) and Windows 7 64 bit. I mainly play WOW, on a 17 inch screen so resolution will be 1280x1024. I just want to know what is the best graphics card i can buy with a budget around £100 and on my PSU as I know a 8400gs even OC isnt good enough to play WOW on high settings or ultra. My motherboard is Bio star N68S3 , http://WWW.biostar.com.tw/app/es/mb/content.php?S_ID=50...
December 12, 2010 11:27:50 AM

qasim1991 said:
Hello guys, I recently bought a new PC from eBay, the specs are: AMD athlon ii x4 640 (3ghz), 4GB ddr3 ram 1333MHz, nvidia 7025 onboard graphics, 400w PSU (dont know brand name only the power) and Windows 7 64 bit. I mainly play WOW, on a 17 inch screen so resolution will be 1280x1024. I just want to know what is the best graphics card i can buy with a budget around £100 and on my PSU as I know a 8400gs even OC isnt good enough to play WOW on high settings or ultra. My motherboard is Bio star N68S3 , http://WWW.biostar.com.tw/app/es/mb/content.php?S_ID=50...


i assume it's 610i chipset. well then 610i only support pcie 1.0 and it does not support pcie 1.1 and later pcie 2.0 card won't run on that board. the best card you can get would be x1950xtx or 7900gx2 or 8800gts/ 8800gtx/8600gts (very few 8 series that support 1.0), but of cause these are only available as used and can only be found on ebay or other online shop.
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December 12, 2010 11:59:39 AM

Thanks for the quick replies, the chipset is nforce 630a , cheesesubs.
wa1, yeah I was looking at that card should i go for the 1gb version? beacuse i think it has some specs which are better than the 512mb version
December 12, 2010 12:06:02 PM

I know my motherboard has 24 pin and 4 pin connecters , so are they any higher powered PSUs out there that support my pins and is replacing a PSU easy?
a c 189 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 12:09:06 PM

It's okay if you want to replace the PSU, but: Do you want upgrade your monitor too?
If not then HD5670 is enough to play most of games with decent (med/high) setting.
And no, 512MB version is more than enough, no need to grab 1GB version, that card can't use all VRAM. :) 
December 12, 2010 12:11:37 PM

ah well monitor isnt my biggest priority atm, well as long as 5670 works fine with my PSU, then I shall go for that, thanks alot friend :)  Sure 512MB sounds good too.
a c 189 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 12:19:35 PM

Okay, if you aren't getting bigger monitor then HD5670 is more than enough to play most of games at 1280x1024.
And make sure you get a normal version (dual slot) instead of single slot, dual slot is gives you more room to help you cooling down the card temp...
December 12, 2010 12:21:01 PM

Ok dual shot 5670, will get that mate. thanks alot for your help, I appreciate it
a c 189 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 12:25:06 PM

You're welcome, just ask here again if you have problem in the future... :) 
December 12, 2010 12:58:07 PM

Qasim,i am also getting hd 5670,so i think you also need what i need,go with hd 5670,you wont be disappointed.
December 12, 2010 1:00:15 PM

qasim1991 said:
Thanks for the quick replies, the chipset is nforce 630a , cheesesubs.
wa1, yeah I was looking at that card should i go for the 1gb version? beacuse i think it has some specs which are better than the 512mb version


even if it's 630a it's stil going to be the same result. all 6 series only support pcie 1.0 and not support 1.1 that allow to run 2.x card as backward compatibility mode. 1.0 does not allow 2.0 card to run on it and only few chipset such as g31/35/p35 and amd 690x support pcie 1.1 and capable to install newer card. for short if you have pcie 1.1 board then you can install either 1.0/1.1 or 2.0/2.1 card but if your board only support 1.0 then you can only get 1.0 card which 5670 simply isn't an option as you will encounter two problem, 1.) 5 series is pcie 2.1 and having known issue that don't run well on older pcie slot. it was said to be able to run on older pcie but the bottom line is pcie 1.1 and older one like 945gc/nforce 6 with pcie 1.0 will not run it. 2.) you are running a nvidia chipset and it may occur error as hardware/driver conflict with the card itself. your option had been limit to 7 and 8 series by the older board itself. get a 8 series card or get a 5670 but also change the board.
December 12, 2010 1:11:42 PM

cheesesubs said:
even if it's 630a it's stil going to be the same result. all 6 series only support pcie 1.0 and not support 1.1 that allow to run 2.x card as backward compatibility mode. 1.0 does not allow 2.0 card to run on it and only few chipset such as g31/35/p35 and amd 690x support pcie 1.1 and capable to install newer card. for short if you have pcie 1.1 board then you can install either 1.0/1.1 or 2.0/2.1 card but if your board only support 1.0 then you can only get 1.0 card which 5670 simply isn't an option as you will encounter two problem, 1.) 5 series is pcie 2.1 and having known issue that don't run well on older pcie slot. it was said to be able to run on older pcie but the bottom line is pcie 1.1 and older one like 945gc/nforce 6 with pcie 1.0 will not run it. 2.) you are running a nvidia chipset and it may occur error as hardware/driver conflict with the card itself. your option had been limit to 7 and 8 series by the older board itself. get a 8 series card or get a 5670 but also change the board.


if that is true, im stumped then :(  because i really dont want to get a new motherboard and install my existing hardware on it :( 
a c 189 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 1:24:42 PM

2.0 cards are backward compatible with 1.0 or 1.1 pcie slot motherboard...
The only issue is with 2.1 cards.
And all my links above are 2.0 version.
December 12, 2010 1:26:19 PM

wa1 said:
2.0 cards are backward compatible with 1.0 or 1.1 pcie slot motherboard...
The only issue is with 2.1 cards.
And all my links above are 2.0 version.


ooh good to know :) . what do you think of http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sapphire-ATI-5670-512MB-DX-11-PCI...

Its a bargain, but is it the dual slot you were on about?
a c 189 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 1:29:47 PM

You can search on internet whether 2.0 cards are compatible with 1.0 or 1.1 pcie slot, just to make sure that my statement is true. But I'm pretty sure it's true.
Yes, that's a good dual slot card. Just want to be sure, your case accept dual slot card, right?
December 12, 2010 1:41:19 PM

well i had a look at the back of my 8400gs, it has a blue and white slot, and my case has few expansion slots which i can remove
a b U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 1:43:55 PM

^ yeh your right wa1 2.0 is backward compatible :) , if It's not to late might I suggest getting the 5770, it will work with your PSU and you will be able to game at high settings at your current resolution, they are getting a lot cheaper now here is one for £101
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Card...
=D
December 12, 2010 1:46:11 PM

adam_x_brookes said:
^ yeh your right wa1 2.0 is backward compatible :) , if It's not to late might I suggest getting the 5770, it will work with your PSU and you will be able to game at high settings at your current resolution, they are getting a lot cheaper now here is one for £101
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Card...
=D


ye the 5770 is a nice card, but the psu is something i worry about, and ill probs be deciding tomorrow which one to order.
a c 189 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 1:52:36 PM

If the OP has Corsair/Antec PSU (400W) then I will suggest him HD5750, but since we don't know for sure then HD5670 is the "safe" side. Besides, that card is more than enough for 1280x1024 and much faster than 8400GS.
December 12, 2010 2:13:15 PM

wa1 said:
If the OP has Corsair/Antec PSU (400W) then I will suggest him HD5750, but since we don't know for sure then HD5670 is the "safe" side. Besides, that card is more than enough for 1280x1024 and much faster than 8400GS.


Just quickly checked PSU, Brand is Evo Labs. Model: Atx-300c
a c 189 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 2:42:01 PM

Can't find anything on the net about that PSU.
Then stay with HD5670.
a b U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 2:55:45 PM

wa1 said:
Can't find anything on the net about that PSU.
Then stay with HD5670.


^+1
Yep you are right, If it's not a brand name PSU It's not worth risking it, I used to run a HD5670 on a 1440 x 900 monitor and it's not bad at all, could play wow at 50fps on high with lowish shadows (won't be as much now because of graphics updates in cataclysm) but from looking at reviews you can get a lot more fps by enabling dx 11 which that card has.
December 12, 2010 2:59:44 PM

Ok cool il order that 5670 off ebay tomorrow :) . Ye ive heard you can enable dx11 by a simple command, my Cataclysm should arrive tomorrow too.
a b U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 5:03:08 PM

wa1 said:
Can't find anything on the net about that PSU.
Then stay with HD5670.


^+1
Yep you are right, If it's not a brand name PSU It's not worth risking it, I used to run a HD5670 on a 1440 x 900 monitor and it's not bad at all, could play wow at 50fps on high with lowish shadows (won't be as much now because of graphics updates in cataclysm) but from looking at reviews you can get a lot more fps by enabling dx 11 which that card has.
December 12, 2010 6:45:58 PM

wa1 said:
2.0 cards are backward compatible with 1.0 or 1.1 pcie slot motherboard...
The only issue is with 2.1 cards.
And all my links above are 2.0 version.


both 2.0 and 2.1 can only support back to 1.1 slot. not 1.0a or older 1.0

but it's worth to try because some board may actually work but some will not.
December 12, 2010 8:33:59 PM

cheesesubs said:
both 2.0 and 2.1 can only support back to 1.1 slot. not 1.0a or older 1.0

but it's worth to try because some board may actually work but some will not.


I downloaded gpu-z and it states that it is 1.1. So 5670 should work in my mobo.
December 12, 2010 9:33:11 PM

qasim1991 said:
I downloaded gpu-z and it states that it is 1.1. So 5670 should work in my mobo.


then good for you. but be sure to get 5750 or above if you want to play most of gaming or watch hd movie.
December 13, 2010 10:12:30 AM

Ok ive ordered ati 5670, i shall let you know how it goes when it arrives in next few days
a c 189 U Graphics card
December 13, 2010 11:01:41 AM

Keep posted here in case you have trouble...
December 15, 2010 2:59:51 PM

ok ive got it and installed on my machine :)  . i OC using catalyst and the results are very nice, on games like unreal tournament and WOW on playing 1280x1024. Thanks for the help guys :) 
a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2010 5:09:55 PM

Your more than welcome, glad that we could help :) 
a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2010 6:17:59 PM

for wow don't forget to turn dx11 its a script comand, wow actually runs better best with dx11 mode

/console -d3d11
December 15, 2010 6:57:38 PM

g00fysmiley said:
for wow don't forget to turn dx11 its a script comand, wow actually runs better best with dx11 mode

/console -d3d11


yep ive done that mate, and i also did a script so it uses all 4 of my cores instead of 2. Which is what i heard wow does anyway.
a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2010 7:00:47 PM

well it'll use up to three cores, however if you use an intel chip with hyperthreading it will only use 2 cores thinking the hyper thread is a core. but yes you can script to utilise more than 3 mores ... i used to do it but i didn't see any diffrence in my athlon II x4 (3.1 Ghz) so i turned it off, figure i'll leave one core idle/ for background use
December 15, 2010 7:03:16 PM

g00fysmiley said:
well it'll use up to three cores, however if you use an intel chip with hyperthreading it will only use 2 cores thinking the hyper thread is a core. but yes you can script to utilise more than 3 mores ... i used to do it but i didn't see any diffrence in my athlon II x4 (3.1 Ghz) so i turned it off, figure i'll leave one core idle/ for background use


ye that sounds good, I too have a similar cpu to yours, but mine is the 640 so that is 3.0ghz
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