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December 12, 2010 1:48:40 PM

I asked the community yesterday about which graphics card I should get for my current build.

Which is:
My build is as follows:
Phenom x4 965 BE @3.4GHz (stock)
Crosshair Formula IV
4GB of DDR3 @1600
Silencer PSU 750W
Current GPU is HD 4850 W/1GB VRAM

jyjjy did have great points, but say I did for some reason have enough to get a 580, would anything in my build bottleneck the performance?

I still find the other cards viable options but if I need to save longer I will, I enjoy playing games at the maximum detail, from games like WoW to Metro 2033 I just can't get enough :D 

So I ask you again amazing community what would YOU do if driven with a sick obsession to max out games?

I also would be running on on a 1920x1080 resolution.

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a b U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 2:04:54 PM

Wait and grab one 6970 or 6990
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a c 130 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 2:07:45 PM

I'd wait. You're using an AMD-based system, why would you put an nVidia card in there?

I'd grab an HD6950 crossfire when it comes out. Though don't forget to wait for hard numbers.
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a b U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 3:16:20 PM

I would prefer a single card setup.Wait for the 6900 series to launch, check the benchmarks and then decide which card you'll be getting.
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a c 274 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 3:45:29 PM

shadow187 said:
I'd wait. You're using an AMD-based system, why would you put an nVidia card in there?

I'd grab an HD6950 crossfire when it comes out. Though don't forget to wait for hard numbers.

What are you saying the CPU wouldn't be able to keep up? [:mousemonkey]
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a c 274 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 4:02:13 PM

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Putting an ati card in an amd based mobo allows him to crossfire if required.That was not so smart MM.

You seem to forget about those who believe a single GPU setup is best.
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December 12, 2010 4:10:17 PM

NO,get gtx 580 simply,it will max everygame that will come out in 2011 and 2012 i guarantee,nothing will bottleneck it,your cpu is fine,ram is fine.get gtx 580 for sure,nothing to care about.
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a c 274 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 4:13:19 PM

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OP didnot mention any preference between single and double card setup.And he is using Crosshair Formula IV mobo which supports quad xfire.Only a fool will install an nvidia card in that mobo.

You might want to look at the OP's other thread and PSU before you get too cocky mate.
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a b U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 4:23:51 PM

mrjericho1991 said:
NO,get gtx 580 simply,it will max everygame that will come out in 2011 and 2012 i guarantee,nothing will bottleneck it,your cpu is fine,ram is fine.get gtx 580 for sure,nothing to care about.


As said above, just wait for the 6900 series to come out and check the performance in games and after that make a decision. Gtx580 will not max out every game that will come available on the market in 2011 and 2012 at 1080p.
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a c 274 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 4:30:33 PM

ionut19 said:
As said above, just wait for the 6900 series to come out and check the performance in games and after that make a decision. Gtx580 will not max out every game that will come available on the market in 2011 and 2012 at 1080p.

That remains to be seen.

@ Dippy, the GTX580 is currently the fastest single GPU card available and would run on the OP's PSU.
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December 12, 2010 4:31:41 PM

After reading this I feel the same on all fields.

Yes my mobo is AMD so I should be rocking AMD cards IF I ever got crossfire

Waiting it out is a viable option while saving up, but I have read around and heard that the 6970 will still be slower then the 580.

Not that some competition won't help stabilize prices, as for favoring a multi-GPU setup vs. Single I want to say I want the most for my money (don't we all) but at the same time I might sacrifice some of the bang for my buck if need be.

For example games that support xfire or SLI but still see minimal improvement (like WoW) the 580 was an idea I thought of ONLY because of the power in this single card, I know that I couldn't run multiples of this card (or any nvidia card) unless I upgraded my PSU and found "hacked" drivers for SLI on my mobo.

Noting the idea of the newer 69xx cards I still fear of games that won't see improvement via xfire or SLI, this includes dual GPU cards like the 5970.

After considering these things please share your ideas below.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 4:41:02 PM

Aren't the ill-supported games maxed out by one card anyways? WoW might be the outlier here, but isn't it true for everything else?
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a c 274 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 4:41:57 PM

I'd say you should first decide how many GPU's you intend to run and then go from there.
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December 12, 2010 4:48:45 PM

Alright say I only want ONE card so it doesn't matter who I pick because my current PSU will support any ONE card at this time.
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a c 274 U Graphics card
December 12, 2010 4:57:26 PM

And then get a GTX580! :lol: 
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December 12, 2010 5:04:08 PM

I would agreed for sure.

Mousemonkey said:
And then get a GTX580! :lol: 


I still prefer the GTX 460 SLI for 150$+ less to be honest. It trades blows with the 580, and is at a 570 price.
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December 12, 2010 5:08:30 PM

If the 580 price tag is too high for you, just get a 570, which can be overclocked to 580 performance, and it's only $350!
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December 12, 2010 5:20:13 PM

kg2010 said:
If the 580 price tag is too high for you, just get a 570, which can be overclocked to 580 performance, and it's only $350!


Its not liek the 580 cant be oced.

Thats like saying 5850 can be oced to 5870 speeds.

Sure, but 5870 still has same OC headroom and faster clock/clock.

ANd you need to consider a SLI setup OP.
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December 12, 2010 6:30:05 PM

It was just a suggestion for saving $150, as the 570 has some OC headroom, and provides 480 STOCK performance.

My 470 OC'ed has 570 stock performance @ 800-1600-1800

We all know the 580 is the fastest GPU @ $500+, but for $150 less, it's hard to overlook a 570.

It's best to go with a single GPU set up, and if he needs more performance down the line, adding a 2nd 570 plus a new PSU would provide quite the performance.
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December 12, 2010 6:35:08 PM

kg2010 said:
It was just a suggestion for saving $150, as the 570 has some OC headroom, and provides 480 STOCK performance.


Wait what? The 570s faster than a 480.
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December 12, 2010 6:39:53 PM

Yes, slightly faster like 1% - 2%, and is cooler, quieter, more efficient, and CHEAPER, thank you for proving my point.

Plus @ 880c it will provide 580 performance @ $150 less.

At least, this is how I view it, I overclock to gain maximum performance for the best price.

I got my 470 today to 850-1700-2005 with under 65C temps, and 65% fans, which is a 28% OC over stock.

Take into consideration that he's running @ 1920x1080 resolution, the 570 is PLENTY.

His original post leads me to believe that he may be budget conscious, and therefore you can't really overlook a 570 as a viable option.

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but say I did for some reason have enough to get a 580..... if I need to save longer I will
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December 12, 2010 6:46:59 PM

kg2010 said:
Yes, slightly faster like 1% - 2%, and is cooler, quieter, more efficient, and CHEAPER, thank you for proving my point.

Plus @ 880c it will provide 580 performance @ $150 less.

At least, this is how I view it, I overclock to gain maximum performance for the best price.

I got my 470 today to 850-1700-2005 with under 65C temps, and 65% fans, which is a 28% OC over stock.

Take into consideration that he's running @ 1920x1080 resolution, the 570 is PLENTY.

His original post leads me to believe that he may be budget conscious:

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but say I did for some reason have enough to get a 580..... if I need to save longer I will


Right, but the arguemnt that card x can be oced to card y speeds and cost 100$ less is an inheriently flawed arguemtn becuase card y can be oced to card z speeds etc etc, all cards can be oced.
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December 12, 2010 6:50:37 PM

to each his own ... carry on with the discussion

You clearly do not get or want to get price / performance

it's just an OPTION .. sheesh ...
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December 12, 2010 6:54:31 PM

No, I understand Price/Preformance.

I just dont understnad why you use overlcocking to justify buying a low end card.

You could buy a 5850 and OC it to 5870 speeds, or you can buy a 5870 and oc it to gtx 480 speeds.

This doesnt make the radeon 5850 a bargin.
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December 12, 2010 6:57:30 PM

How's a 570 a "low end" card, when it has made the 480 the former fastest GPU pretty much obsolete?

Remember just over a month ago the 480 was $500.

And I can pretty much guarantee you that the only reason the 570 is priced @ $350 is because of the upcoming 69xx cards, otherwise, the 570 would be $400+.
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December 12, 2010 7:08:03 PM

Lower end card.

And no *** "because of the upcoming 69xx cards, otherwise, the 570 would be $400+. ".

If AMD just sold X850xt's forever, Nvidia would raise thier prices and sell cards for more.

Are you sure you arnt some kind of detective?
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December 12, 2010 7:18:21 PM

Just stating the obvious.

Hey, keep recommending the 580, it is clearly the better buy for a 1920x1080 resolution.

I can only imagine how this convo would go if it was a 6970 vs a 570 or 580....
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December 12, 2010 7:21:14 PM

I never once recomneded the 580 for that res, or tbh, any other.

In fact I recomend the 5870 (210$ on newegg with promo code) for 1080p OR a 570 if you want aweosme frames.
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December 12, 2010 7:29:42 PM

The lowest I see a 5870 on the Egg is $259 after rebates

If you can actually get a 5870 for $210, that's definitely the best bang for your buck right now, especially if the early benches for the 6970 are true.
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December 12, 2010 7:36:17 PM

THere was a link to it on [H].

Il try to dig it up.
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December 12, 2010 8:15:32 PM

That pages gives an error - perhaps it's sold out?
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December 12, 2010 8:18:58 PM

Damn it.

Most likely.

I was oing to buy one for myself :( 


At this point I recoemnd a GTX 570 or a Cf 5850 setup.
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December 13, 2010 1:30:42 AM

Hate to see arguments on an opinion based thread, because in all honesty it's based on each persons opinion, maybe I should default back to the first question.

Would anything in my current build hold back a 580?

Yes I do realize that I can OC a card one tier below it and have near the same results but I enjoy keeping things at stock settings (besides my RAM)

I value everyone's opinion on this thread and I DO realize that YOUR opinion will spill into it, I mean I did ask what YOU would do...

So I don't care if you're a fanboy or not, I just want to look at my options if I need to spend a little bit more I will.

I also wanted to stray away from SLI or Crossfire because of games like WoW so in that area it isn't as price smart.

As a follow up question which brand of card do YOU recommended?

I favor XFX with AMD but I have no idea who the big dog is with Nvidia cards.

Please feel free to continue spilling your opinions on this thread, because that is what I was asking for. If someone disagrees please try to refrain from arguing with them because I'm purely looking for the smartest choice based on these conditions.
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December 13, 2010 1:44:23 AM

Well, what is your budget?

If you're going to keep the card at stock, then...

The 580 is the fastest Single GPU available, and it will crush anything you throw at it, and the 570 is 10% - 20% slower clock for clock for $350.

The 6970 and 6950 should be out soon, and we'll see what kind of performance they bring to the table, which may affect pricing all around.

I don't see anything in your build holding you back.

Keep in mind though, according to Tom's review, AMD chips do hold back performance in Cataclysm compared to Intel Cpus, I don't recommend upgrading your build, but make sure your CPU is overclocked at the very least, it's really not that hard to do.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-c...
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December 13, 2010 2:00:50 AM

I did read the review on Cataclysm, but something I noted was that they said they couldn't break the 60 FPS with any AMD CPUs but I just watched a friend uncheck his Vsync and the FPS hit 200.

So while Intel might have better performance I don't know if I trust in the AMD CPU end of that review.

I'm currently reading up on the 570s review and so far I like the performance for the price, I can see OC it as a viable option to reach 580 levels.
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a b U Graphics card
December 13, 2010 4:39:41 AM

You can try overclocking that CPU, its not that difficult.
The best value for money right now for playing games at high resolutions, including DX 11 games is the GTX 570


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December 13, 2010 8:39:34 AM

There ya go, those charts pretty much cover it, it's what I've been saying previously, the 570 is definitely the best bang for buck.

Sure the 580 is faster, but the 570 will provide you insane performance for your resolution, and I'll say it again,
you can overclock it to 580 stock performance which is a bonus.

Not to mention that 570's are easier to get right now, all 580's are out of stock.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
December 13, 2010 9:45:14 AM

Once again, just throwing it out there, you ARE stuck with the GTX570. No upgrades from there.

IMHOO, if an HD6950 crossfire turns out to be an extremely good option later on the road, you should go for it. We'll see in a couple days, but since the cards come out so soon, you might as well wait.
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a b U Graphics card
December 13, 2010 9:46:29 AM

^It looks like waiting before deciding is a better option.
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December 13, 2010 10:26:43 AM

shadow187 said:
Once again, just throwing it out there, you ARE stuck with the GTX570. No upgrades from there.

IMHOO, if an HD6950 crossfire turns out to be an extremely good option later on the road, you should go for it. We'll see in a couple days, but since the cards come out so soon, you might as well wait.


Where there's a will, there's a way:
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/670810-howto-sli-non-sl...

Besides the OP has stated that he's looking into a single GPU solution.
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December 13, 2010 1:30:35 PM

Waiting it out is what I'm gonna have to do anyway, but I thank you all again for the information (love the charts)

I do realize that I would be stuck but I would be stuck with ONE card basically on my current PSU the only thing I could do is crossfire some AMD cards, but because of games like WoW (as rare as they may be) I don't want to ever stumble upon a game that sees no additional performance from my second GPU.

And as we said before if the 570/580 is going to be amazing performance on a 1920x1080 resolution I shouldn't really need to go for something in the 69xx series in CF
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a c 678 U Graphics card
December 13, 2010 7:44:23 PM

Get the GTX580. Don't even wait until the 6900's come out. It is the best card available, and will remain so for the forseeable future. The GTX580 has PhysX, simple as that, add in top of the charts performance (without needing to manipulate image quality settings) and a fairly noise free cooler, you can't lose. I own one, and know what I'm talking about.

If you wait for the 6900's, due to component shortages, be prepared for a dog and cat fight to actually buy one before they sell out. And then be prepared to wonder if you are missing out because you can't play games with PhysX.
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a b U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 8:33:51 AM

17seconds said:
..... you can't play games with PhysX.

Who cares about PhysX?
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a c 130 U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 9:41:15 AM

PhysX kills single nVidian cards. He will not be able to enjoy high settings in games like Metro2033 while using PhysX. Mafia II might also be similarly limited.
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a b U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 9:51:19 AM

Yes, PhysX is viable only if you have multiple GPUs.
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December 14, 2010 1:37:45 PM

Wait you're telling me that I would have to run SLI to enjoy PhysX (as little as it is) on games like Metro 2033...

I did find a work around so I can run SLI on my current motherboard (I'm such a traitor) but I would still need another PSU...
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a b U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 1:49:24 PM

sowexly said:
Wait you're telling me that I would have to run SLI to enjoy PhysX (as little as it is) on games like Metro 2033...

Not essentially SLI, but it will need another NVIDIA card at least as powerful as a 9800 GT to enjoy games with PhysX.
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December 14, 2010 2:00:55 PM

Tamz_msc said:
Not essentially SLI, but it will need another NVIDIA card at least as powerful as a 9800 GT to enjoy games with PhysX.

I thought that the lower card would clock the 580 down to it's speed so they can work together, I'am I missing something?
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a b U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 2:04:44 PM

sowexly said:
I thought that the lower card would clock the 580 down to it's speed so they can work together, I'am I missing something?

No, that isn't the case.The card which is supposed to do PhysX (int this case the 9800 GT) will function independently. But it will only be used for PhysX.The main card is going to do all the other rendering.
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