i fixed it. creative proprietary crap. stumbled upon this guide he explains it well. http://problemstosolve.com/2006/07/20/how-to-get-all-8-speakers-working-in-a-71-creative-inspire-set-without-a-creative-sound-card-solved/ just note if anyone else experiences this that on some mobo's and sound cards youll have both a blue and grey sound port, both can be side audio. mine so happens to be the grey port rather than the blue.