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February 14, 2011 2:19:21 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: This week

Budget Range: 400-1000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, in game text chat using steam & xfire, voice chat in game using skype, surfing the internet, watching HD movies/videos, homework

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, speakers, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (local computer store in Ottawa, Ontario: http://pccyber.com/, http://canadacomputers.com/), other

Country of Origin: Canada

Parts Preferences: One monitor only please

Overclocking: Maybe only CPU

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050 or 1920x1200

Additional Comments: My friends want to play all games on a decent settings such as all Left 4 Dead series, Starcraft 2, World of Warcraft, etc until 2014 then upgrade without any problems/issues and he want his computer last 5 years or longer.

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I'm not good at looking for good computer parts and the pricing so yeah here it goes.

Intel build:

CASE - Coolermaster Elite 310 Blue http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112...

CPU - Intel Core i5 650 http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=CPU-BX80616I5650

MOBO - Gigabyte GA-H55M http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_58...

RAM - 4GB

HDD - 1.5TB

GPU - EVGA GeForce GTX 460 http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_55...

ODD - Anything can burn, read & write DVD & CD

PSU - unknown

OS - Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (I have the disc just to make sure it can handle)

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AMD build:

CASE - Coolermaster Elite 310 Blue http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112...

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 955 http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_64&...

MOBO - BIOSTAR N68S3+ http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_34...

RAM - 4GB

HDD - 1.5TB

GPU - Sapphire Radeon HD 6950 http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=VC-SAP-21188-00-40R

ODD - Anything can burn, read & write DVD & CD

PSU - unknown

OS - Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (I have the disc just to make sure it can handle)

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February 14, 2011 4:31:42 AM

http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_6... $49.99 - 39.99 after mail in rebate
Antec Three Hundred Gaming Case

http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_3... $59.99
Corsair CMPSU-600CX 600W Power Supply

http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=MB-MSI-H67MS-E43 $113.99 CAD
MSI H67MS-E43 Intel LGA1155 Motherboard *W3

http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=CPU-BX80623I52400 $199.77 CAD
Intel Core I5 2400 3.1Ghz 6MB LGA1155

http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=RAM-MK-996768 $46.77 CAD
Mushkin Silverline DDR3 1333MHZ 4GB Dual Channel Kit

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58347&vpn=01G-P3-1561-AR&... $249.99 CAD
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti Fermi 850MHZ 1024MB 4104MHZ GDDR5 2XDVI Mini-HDMI PCI-E Video Card

http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=HD-WD6402AAEX $69.77 CAD
WD Caviar Black 3.5" 640GB 7200RPM 64MB SATA III

http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=DVDRW-AS-DRW-24B1ST $24.77 CAD
ASUS 24X SATA DVD Writer - Black

http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=LCD-AS-VW225TL $147.77 CAD
Asus VW225TL 22" LCD Monitor

Total: $962.81 CAD *not including shipping, rebates, etc...
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February 14, 2011 9:18:51 AM

Alright - Going part by part I'll have a look at your build.

CPU --> The AMD one is okay BUT the Intel one is terrible. I'd definitely be going with the I5 750 because its 4 cores while the 650 is only 2 meaning better performance.

Mobo --> This one's okay but it doesn't have USB 3.0, SATA 3 support which may become necessary in the future - especially in the next five years. I'd recommend that you look to build a new computer in about 3 - 4years, or at least retire this one from gaming. But then again you never know what the future will hold.

GPU --> The AMD 6850 as far as I know has been the "surprise" of todays GPUs being able to run the games at quite reasonable frame rates but I cannot imagine that it will hold up too well in a couple of years. I'd be wanting to get something like the 6950 or the GTX570. The GTX460 is slower than the 6850, which again would be acceptable for the moment.

EDIT: Oh good, you did choose the 6950!

PSU --> Good power supply ... Corsairs are always good quality!

CASE --> I'd always be wanting to skimp as much as possible on the case especially if you are on a tight budget. The Cooler Master RC-692 series is cheap and still of very acceptable quality. Cheaper again solutions again include the Antec 300 gaming tower! The Elite 310 series looks good too!

MY SELECTION FOR YOU -
CASE http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_6_112&item_id=023781 $40

CPU http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_4_64&item_id=027383 $150

CD/DVD http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_3_61&item_id=031951

RAM http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_24_311_312_612&item_id=025353 $45

HDD - http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_15_210_212&item_id=029337 $80

PSU - http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_33_442&item_id=033718 $60

MoBo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125356

Total ~ $940 APROX - Not including monitor

I'd strongly suggest that you wait for PCIe 3.0, better USB 3.0 support and SATA 3 support if you are going to keep that computer for so long. However if you want to buy now that machine detailed should do the job just not with a very good upgrade path. The Motherboard will take a bulldozer with limited support though.

Cheers,
Luke
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February 14, 2011 10:24:36 AM

I personally use AMD chips, find them to be the best value for money, I'd go with a Phenom ii x4 build for best bang for the buck. The 955 or better.

My own PC was a budget gaming rig, I recently got a GTX 560 Ti on sale, it offers performance close to the 6950 plus physx which isn't always useful but a nice touch (who knows if more developers will start to make use of it or not).

I've done a couple of builds based on the Antec 300 case, it's great value for money! For anyone not intending to overclock the heck out of things (thus necessitating well thought out airflow) it's more than adequate.

I'd say a good Phenom ii x4 rig with 4 gig of DDR3 1333 on a board that supports it properly with proper pci-e 2.0 (unlike my cringeworthy 1.1 board) and a 1TB plus HDD (maybe a WD Caviar black?) plus either an HD 6950 or GTX 560 Ti would do nicely for a good while yet.

Heck my rig falls under those specs and I haven't found many things I can't run at full settings yet.
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February 14, 2011 3:15:25 PM

noobrig said:
Approximate Purchase Date: This week

Budget Range: 400-1000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, in game text chat using steam & xfire, voice chat in game using skype, surfing the internet, watching HD movies/videos, homework

Additional Comments: My friends want to play all games on a decent settings such as all Left 4 Dead series, Starcraft 2, World of Warcraft, etc until 2014 then upgrade without any problems/issues and he want his computer last 5 years or longer.


http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2... <----- The I5 2400 that I posted in that build is 6th down from the top of that chart. Not only do the 1155 mobo's support the 32mm Sandy Bridge cpu's, but they will also support the 22mm Ivy Bridge cpu's due to come out next year.
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February 15, 2011 7:23:17 AM

Why_Me said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2... <----- The I5 2400 that I posted in that build is 6th down from the top of that chart. Not only do the 1155 mobo's support the 32mm Sandy Bridge cpu's, but they will also support the 22mm Ivy Bridge cpu's due to come out next year.


Yes the i5 2400 is very good BUT there still is the issue of the SATA controller chip-set bug with them and unless you go to a "Dodgy" seller they DON'T have them. Now if the build could wait a couple of months then you could get a sandy bridge.
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February 15, 2011 7:27:54 AM

ukee1593 said:
Yes the i5 2400 is very good BUT there still is the issue of the SATA controller chip-set bug with them and unless you go to a "Dodgy" seller they DON'T have them. Now if the build could wait a couple of months then you could get a sandy bridge.

I think I would wait 4-6 weeks for those mobo's then settle for a inferior build.
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February 17, 2011 6:00:55 PM

Thanks for the replies also can you give me a link on how to build computers? the wires looks really hard.
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February 17, 2011 6:07:50 PM

noobrig said:
Thanks for the replies also can you give me a link on how to build computers? the wires looks really hard.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/288241-31-read-postin...

It looks intimidating, but once you start plugging everything in you will find it's easier than you expected.
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February 17, 2011 9:22:11 PM

Hardest part is heatsink+cable management
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February 19, 2011 1:15:52 AM

Don't be intimidated, most of the plugs are dummy rigged so they will only fit in one place in one orientation. Just don't forget to plus PSU pci-e plugs into your graphics card if it uses them.

The case wires are the most difficult to deal with but here are some tips for those and some general pointers.

1) Follow the manual.

2) Positive and negative orientation of case plugs is the most confusing thing but here's the breakdown: Black plus another colour means black is negative. White plus another colour means white is negative. If there are save five wires all kinds of colours and one on the end is either black or white, then this is the negative. That should help you work out which way around to put them.

3) Before all of this, make sure your board is screwed down carefully, not too tightly or loosely, enough to not wobble but not enough to pinch the board. Make sure no case metal is touching anything metal on the bottom of the board i.e. screw points.

4) Don't force anything. If you have to push hard you are doing it wrong.

5) If your power supply unit isn't modular then keep excess wires away from everything. Being one to ignore aesthetics I just tape them to the inside of the chassis away from the components.

Hope that helps.
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February 19, 2011 2:45:53 AM

I personally haven't built a computer from the ground up as yet but I have done a bit of cleaning/upgrades inside desktops.

One mistake I've made is bent the CPU pins. It is VERY important to ensure that you don't do this. Make sure that you line up the CPU correctly on the socket and LIGHTLY press it in. NEVER force it as that leads to bent/broken pins. My mistake turned out fine in the end with me painstakingly straightening out the pins on the CPU. That one only had 478 pins on it and it was close to impossible to do. I shudder to think of how bad it would have been with a more modern CPU.

As for the rest; all the plugs only fit in one way and there is a lot of information on the internet. REMEMBER GOOGLE is you friend.

Lastly, before you go closing everything up, switch on the computer to ensure that all the fans work properly ESPECIALLY the CPU fan as I had one once which didn't work and the computer kept switching off after a couple of hours of use. That was before I started tinkering myself which meant that the computer store charged $80 to replace a $10 fan that had been faulty from the beginning.

Please post the list of computer parts that you have chosen!

Luke
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