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December 14, 2010 4:24:48 PM

Hi guys,

I am new to pc gaming i am trying to play black ops on a laptop online. I am having some freezing issues however i might play 10 rounds strait then all of a sudden game freezes up then i have to open up task manager to close it then i will open it again and might play 3 or 6 or mabey 1 more rounds before it freezes again. Is my laptop just not good enough for gaming or what? here are my specs

Is there anything i can do to boost the performance of my computer?

Windows 7
1TB HD
4GB Ram
AMD Phenom II Trip core N850 @ 2.2GHz
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470

I also have my comp set at high performance but i know nothing about computers anyone have an opinion?

Thanks

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a c 204 U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 5:04:38 PM

Try lowering your game's video settings to a lower degree of graphics detail. Also, you should also go to ati.com and download and install the latest video drivers to see if that helps.

Catalyst 10.12 is now available. Good luck!
a b U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 5:22:14 PM

Nice laptop. :)  Glad they're finally putting newer generation AMD chips into laptops these days. LOL

The ATI 5470 isn't super impressive, but then again laptops tend to have low resolution screens on them. So you should be able to play the game, however as COLGeek pointed out you'll need/want to lower the graphic detail settings. I'd suggest doing this until things play smoothly for you. Reducing "shadows" in most games helps a TON.

Also, since you're using a laptop, keep in mind that WIRELESS INTERNET can be HORRIBLE for online gaming due to potential for poor latency. If you want to play Multiplayer Black Ops or anything else, I'd strongly suggest plugging the laptop directly into the wired network.

According to this ATI 5470 benchmark you could play pretty well at "Low" settings on Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2. Which is somewhat similar. Scroll down quite a ways to see where they list individual games.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-547...
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December 14, 2010 6:06:40 PM

Thanks for replying...

I know nothing about computers but it is funny to me that i might play 10 times strait just fine then next round bamm froze. I had graphics all the way up then whey COLGEEK advised to lower graphic setting i did well i have been playing and it is acting the same play a few rounds then freeze. So i guess i will just have to deal with it

on another subject
Thanks I like my laptop I picked it up at Staples on Black Friday. Staples Handed out vouchers in the parking lot before the doors opened. Well they handed out one to many vouchers so when i went to pick up my laptop they did not have one for me so I pitched a fit. They offered me several comps for the same price but i had my eye on this one the only thing i had going for me was this one had the same size screen and the others they were offerinc did not. this one was priced on sale I think @ $850.00 and had an existing 100 dollar rebate. So i got this Laptop for the 299.00 Black Friday price and when they rung it up it still and adjusted the price down it still printed the rebate reciept so i got it for 199.00 +tax isnt that crazy??? but since i got such a good deal i let them talk me into a 49.99 service plan for 2 years which i figured the blueray drive alone would cost that if it went out lol.

I have one more question I have never had a "Fast Computer" What can i do Hardware wise to make this one faster ? Can i update the processor/Ram/Graphics card??? Since i only got a couple hundred in it i thought i might try something like that????
a c 204 U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 6:09:55 PM

The isn't much you can do to a laptop to improve its hardware. Short of adding memory or swapping the HDD for a faster HDD or SSD, you options are about nil.

BTW, great story on the buy. Congrats!

Last, were you able to install the most current video drivers as well?
December 14, 2010 6:10:44 PM

Oh and one more thing i forgot to mention is that the game plays Picture Perfect when playing on either High of Low Graphic settings. I Also have installed all of the current Patches so in case you hear of something please let me know

Again Thanks
December 14, 2010 6:12:33 PM

COLGeek said:
The isn't much you can do to a laptop to improve its hardware. Short of adding memory or swapping the HDD for a faster HDD or SSD, you options are about nil.

BTW, great story on the buy. Congrats!

Last, were you able to install the most current video drivers as well?




what is and HDD OR SSD and would that make a difference?
Do I need More Memory? I have 4 GB
December 14, 2010 6:14:52 PM

i also play alot of call of duty black ops on pc,since its release this game has had freezing problems,also on high end gaming pc's.the problem is with the game,i beleive there is a patch for pc coming on the 21st of december,lets hope this helps...mrclownface
a c 204 U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 6:15:53 PM

HDD = Hard disk drive
SSD = Solid state drive
4GB memory should be fine.

Do you have 32-bit or 64-bit Win 7? You can go to Control Panel then System and it will be right there in the system summary.
December 14, 2010 6:22:09 PM

COLGeek said:
HDD = Hard disk drive
SSD = Solid state drive
4GB memory should be fine.

Do you have 32-bit or 64-bit Win 7? You can go to Control Panel then System and it will be right there in the system summary.




64 Bit

I have also checked for video card updates could not find any...

So about The HDD Do they come in larger speeds cause i already have a 1TB I Thought that was Big?
a b U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 6:35:58 PM

I guess I missed the freezing part in the original post. Black Ops I've heard is pretty buggy. If the game performs well, and then suddenly freezes, that's likely nothing to do with your video card in particular. It's probably a code bug in the game, memory leak, something like that.

That's what happens when you take a good game Franchise like Call of Duty, and try to pump out a new version every year just so you can sell 100 Million more copies of the same game with different pictures. They rush it out and it sucks. Not to mention, Call of Duty is no longer a PC based game, its now a Console port. :fou: 
December 14, 2010 6:36:32 PM

Yeah i downloaded that yesterday I thought that was just an update to the cat control center program. I didnot know it was a driver I am not sure if it is installed correctly though how can i tell?
a c 204 U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 6:40:21 PM

You should be as fine as you can be then.
December 14, 2010 6:45:04 PM

I just checked it didnot install properly but i found the downloaded file in a temp file within the app data so not it is installing i will play the game a little later and let you guys know Thanks for all of your help!

I am looking into the SSDs Are they as fast as they say they are? I take alot of pics with a nikon d700 so files are large and it takes forever to look thru them do you think if i got one for photo storage they would come up faster?
December 14, 2010 6:51:24 PM

jerreece said:
I guess I missed the freezing part in the original post. Black Ops I've heard is pretty buggy. If the game performs well, and then suddenly freezes, that's likely nothing to do with your video card in particular. It's probably a code bug in the game, memory leak, something like that.

That's what happens when you take a good game Franchise like Call of Duty, and try to pump out a new version every year just so you can sell 100 Million more copies of the same game with different pictures. They rush it out and it sucks. Not to mention, Call of Duty is no longer a PC based game, its now a Console port. :fou: 



Wow that is interesting to know. Looks like they would care a little about quality??? I guess i dont know the difference cause i am new to the gaming world. I am 26 years old and never had nothing more advanced than a nintendo 64 lol. Thanks for your time pal!
a b U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 6:57:25 PM

swissroll_boy said:
I just checked it didnot install properly but i found the downloaded file in a temp file within the app data so not it is installing i will play the game a little later and let you guys know Thanks for all of your help!

I am looking into the SSDs Are they as fast as they say they are? I take alot of pics with a nikon d700 so files are large and it takes forever to look thru them do you think if i got one for photo storage they would come up faster?


Don't bother with SSDs for photos. Quality photos are very large in file size. SSDs at their current size and price point aren't really meant as storage drives. Folks install just Windows, and a couple key games on the SSD so they load as fast as possible. Considering many SSDs are 80GB to 120GB on average (though you can find bigger) you'd fill them pretty darn fast with high res photos or video.

To be quite honest though, an SSD isn't what's going to help you with Black Ops. SSDs are about load time, not active gameplay. They help you load maps/levels faster. Once the game is playing almost all it needs is memory resident, so the hard drive doesn't get much use (unless you have too little RAM).
December 14, 2010 8:32:40 PM

ok that makes alot of sence.

I just tried black ops again and since i have installed the ati driver mentioned earlier the game crashes every time lol blahhahahaha. Oh well Its a good thing i am not a hard core gamer i might be mad by now. I didnot even pay for the game so i guess im out nothing. It is fun though. I might try to pick up one of the older call of dutys and try that.
a b U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 10:16:34 PM

ATI driver releases can be buggy at times anyhow. LOL But it sounds as so Black Ops has it's own problems. Do you have any other games on your computer that you can play? Just for the sake of ensuring your computer is running fine outside of Black Ops? :)  At least then you can determine if the new driver is the problem or not.
December 14, 2010 11:09:17 PM

uuuummmmmm,

I may have left out an important piece of info...

This only happens during online play. I forgot to say that sorry.

I dont have any other games
a c 204 U Graphics card
December 14, 2010 11:59:20 PM

swissroll_boy said:
uuuummmmmm,

I may have left out an important piece of info...

This only happens during online play. I forgot to say that sorry.

I dont have any other games

So do you use a wireless or wired network connection?
December 15, 2010 10:56:42 AM

well i was using wireless but whe someone said that wired was better i plugged it in and it was the same thing. I dont think it is a speed problem i checked my bandwidth the test said 3568 kbps i ran the test three times that was the lowest i got
a b U Graphics card
December 15, 2010 4:45:28 PM

Wireless gaming is like playing a Nintendo NES and expecting 1080p gaming. :) 

Here's what you need to do. You need to see what your "Ping" or "Latency" is WITHIN Black Ops. Your bandwidth test says nothing about online gaming. That just tells you your 'bandwidth' capability between point A and B.

The Ping or Latency tells you how long (in time) it takes the signal to get from Point A to Point B. In this case, you need to know your ping time from your PC to the Black Ops server you are playing on. If that ping is over 300ms your game play is going to be worthless. Ideally, a ping less than 100ms is where you want to be. For me, anything I play is usually 100-150ms. Once you get above 200ms things start getting slow due to delays. By 300ms it's about unplayable.

However, your ping/latency is not going to affect the game in such a way as to make it freeze up and not play again. If you can play several rounds, and then it freezes solid, this is not a ping/latency problem. Ping or Latency problems are what we call "lag". This causes severe delays between you pushing a button, and seeing the response on screen. Ping is a huge deal when playing First Person Shooter online.
a c 204 U Graphics card
December 15, 2010 4:48:10 PM

jerreece said:
Wireless gaming is like playing a Nintendo NES and expecting 1080p gaming. :) 

Here's what you need to do. You need to see what your "Ping" or "Latency" is WITHIN Black Ops. Your bandwidth test says nothing about online gaming. That just tells you your 'bandwidth' capability between point A and B.

The Ping or Latency tells you how long (in time) it takes the signal to get from Point A to Point B. In this case, you need to know your ping time from your PC to the Black Ops server you are playing on. If that ping is over 300ms your game play is going to be worthless. Ideally, a ping less than 100ms is where you want to be. For me, anything I play is usually 100-150ms. Once you get above 200ms things start getting slow due to delays. By 300ms it's about unplayable.

However, your ping/latency is not going to affect the game in such a way as to make it freeze up and not play again. If you can play several rounds, and then it freezes solid, this is not a ping/latency problem. Ping or Latency problems are what we call "lag". This causes severe delays between you pushing a button, and seeing the response on screen. Ping is a huge deal when playing First Person Shooter online.

+1, nicely put. Not a matter of how big the pipe is, but how fast the pipe responds for gaming.
a c 204 U Graphics card
December 15, 2010 4:50:50 PM

Also, did you install the latest patch for Black Ops (1.04 seems to be the most current)?
December 15, 2010 5:02:16 PM

despite black ops is a crappy console ported but still...nope. mobile 5470 is about 50% of desktop version which it's even weaker than current igp that amd had. you won't run it smooth unless you turn everything off and lowest setting. also that phenom n850 was actually rebrand of mobile phenom 8600 with 65nm fab process which is weak plus it's a mobile verion with make it even worst. to tell you the true playing game on laptop is simply a wrong idea and hardware spec will limit you from play almost anything even the aged console ported game with older graphic engine.
December 16, 2010 9:14:49 AM

jerreece said:
Wireless gaming is like playing a Nintendo NES and expecting 1080p gaming. :) 

Here's what you need to do. You need to see what your "Ping" or "Latency" is WITHIN Black Ops. Your bandwidth test says nothing about online gaming. That just tells you your 'bandwidth' capability between point A and B.

The Ping or Latency tells you how long (in time) it takes the signal to get from Point A to Point B. In this case, you need to know your ping time from your PC to the Black Ops server you are playing on. If that ping is over 300ms your game play is going to be worthless. Ideally, a ping less than 100ms is where you want to be. For me, anything I play is usually 100-150ms. Once you get above 200ms things start getting slow due to delays. By 300ms it's about unplayable.

However, your ping/latency is not going to affect the game in such a way as to make it freeze up and not play again. If you can play several rounds, and then it freezes solid, this is not a ping/latency problem. Ping or Latency problems are what we call "lag". This causes severe delays between you pushing a button, and seeing the response on screen. Ping is a huge deal when playing First Person Shooter online.



Finally found where it said ping lt fluctuated like constantly but looks to average about 55
December 16, 2010 9:18:33 AM

cheesesubs said:
despite black ops is a crappy console ported but still...nope. mobile 5470 is about 50% of desktop version which it's even weaker than current igp that amd had. you won't run it smooth unless you turn everything off and lowest setting. also that phenom n850 was actually rebrand of mobile phenom 8600 with 65nm fab process which is weak plus it's a mobile verion with make it even worst. to tell you the true playing game on laptop is simply a wrong idea and hardware spec will limit you from play almost anything even the aged console ported game with older graphic engine.




so does that mean that online gaming is more detailed than just playing a campaign? I only have problems online and sometimes i might play an hour with out freezing and sometimes 10 minutes???

Anyone know how to uninstall the ati driver i installed it has been terrible ever since i did that?
December 16, 2010 9:22:10 AM

COLGeek said:
Also, did you install the latest patch for Black Ops (1.04 seems to be the most current)?



Thanks for all replys...

I thought i had downloaded all updates but im not 100% sure how can i tell and where is the best place to downoad patch i i havent?
December 16, 2010 12:44:49 PM

someone mentioned that my cpu could be getting hot in the other forum. Any imput it does seem to be really hot everytime it freezes???

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a c 204 U Graphics card
December 16, 2010 1:53:15 PM
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swissroll_boy said:
someone mentioned that my cpu could be getting hot in the other forum. Any imput it does seem to be really hot everytime it freezes???

Your "freezes" are not likely from the heat generated by the CPU or GPU (both will run hot when stressed). When they are operating at higher temps, their individual fans will increase in speed to compensate for the additional heat. If you go to an unsafe level, the notebook will automatically clock them down (or will shut down completely).

I suggest you download and install hwmonitor ( www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html ). Get the free version. It will give you a warm and fuzzy of how your system is operating.

BTW, what other games are you playing on this system and how are they performing?
December 16, 2010 4:42:24 PM

LOL I only have the one game.

oh and i cant play at all now i stayed on the phone with ATI for 3 hrs trying to resolve the driver issue i downloaded then they finally told me. Then we manually removed all of the ati software from the machine he instructed me to go to hp and download all drivers which i did but now i cant play at all. sooooo like i said i guess im glad im not adicted to gaming lol. I think the only other option i have is to format my hard drive but i REALLLLLY dont want to do that cause Black ops took three hrs to install i think it may have downloaded it or something i dont know why though cause i have the disc.

Is there any way of saving the black ops file to keep from installing it again?
a c 204 U Graphics card
December 16, 2010 4:48:49 PM

If you have an external storage device or some blank CDs or DVDs you can copy or burn the install files (and any documents you have) to one of those and then copy them back after you do the restore/re-installation of Windows and your applications.
December 16, 2010 5:43:06 PM

I reinstalled all drivers i downloaded from HP then like magic all is well again except for the freezing problem. I am back to the place i was in before i asked all of you fine folks. I will be glad to get back to work this weather is about to make me go crazy been in the house for waaaaaaayyyyy to long.

GPU TEMP= 167 degrees MAX
CPU= 159 degrees MAX
is that ok???
thanks for the cupid link!

I did notice every time game quit it was both were at their max.
a c 204 U Graphics card
December 16, 2010 5:52:04 PM

That if Fahrenheit, correct? If so, you are fine. If Celsius, it is melting down!!!!

I suggest you download the Black Ops 1.04 patch and install it directly to see if that helps the game at all. After all of this, seems that the game is the problem more than the hardware of your notebook.
December 16, 2010 6:09:55 PM

I installed the new patch there was a patch for pc this morning but i downloaded it thru steam everything seems to be working correctly but one thing has changed... Now everytime it freezes up there is a huge clock that appears that takes up the whole monitor. I wonder if that is something with in the new patch. I read where someone said something about clocking is this a warning or something? I searched it but came up with nothing

Again thanks so much for your help

I just got thru playing with graphics wide open shadows, bullet damage, extra texture and a few other settings were wide open. Game ran exactly the same just froze up after one match lol sure is fun though (while playing) you got to remember this is something new to me. lemme know if you think there is someting to the Gigantor clock...
December 16, 2010 6:59:48 PM

swissroll_boy said:
so does that mean that online gaming is more detailed than just playing a campaign? I only have problems online and sometimes i might play an hour with out freezing and sometimes 10 minutes???

Anyone know how to uninstall the ati driver i installed it has been terrible ever since i did that?



online multiplayer = more item/object/model/player movement which a weak processor cannot handle any circumstance that player are max out the server (more player= more effect/physics). plus more players = more texture/pixel/polygon/shader/bump have loading/analyze/calculating and transfer and your mobile 5450 will not capable to handle it even it's a console ported. especially mobile 5450 aint really design for gaming but simple display and energy efficiency. also it's just an integrate graphic port chip with dedicate ram that's all. i wouldn't recommend people play game on laptop(mobile version = 1/2 desktop if they are same level, ex: 9600m = 1/2 9600gt, core 2 p8600 = 1/4 of e8500..) or card that's below 4650.
December 23, 2010 5:25:42 AM

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December 23, 2010 5:27:31 AM

i went to staples on monday and bought a laptop cooling pad. I have played prolly 5 hrs since and the game has not frozen one time. I guess maybe the pu's run more effeciently when they are cooler or something. Beats me best 12 dollars i ever spent!!!! hope you all have a merry christmas!
a c 271 U Graphics card
December 23, 2010 8:17:58 PM

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