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February 14, 2011 6:13:24 PM

Hi all.

So... im putting together what I hope to be a reasonably high end watercooled pc. Im particularly keen on getting good eyefinity results and watercooling to get both noise reduction and performance when overclocking.

I think this is pretty ambitious as its my first build in years but ive decided to take the plunge and learn on the job...

Below is my build so far, im pretty happy on the system components as ive already thrashed those out with some useful members. Advice still welcome on this front though.

My main concern is compiling a component list of watercooling parts, and ensuring my selection is well considered. If someone could suggest a component list for me that would be a big step forward as im finding it a little tuff wading through the options. Budget is pretty good but dont need to go overboard.

Here is the build so far, any help with the above would be really appreciated.


Case
Corsair 800D
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/corsair-obsidian-series-...

PSU 
Seasonic 750km x-series 750w
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/750w-seasonic-x-series-m...

Processor
Intel CPU Core i7 2600K Unlocked Sandy Bridge Quad Core 
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i7-2600k-unlo...

Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD5 Intel P67
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-ga-p67a-ud5-int...(x16)-ddr3-2133-sata-6gb-s-sata-raid

Ram
Geil Value Plus 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...

SSD
OCZ 200Gb
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/200gb-ocz-technology-ver...

HDD
Samsung 1Tb Spinpoint F3 Hard Drive - HDD
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/ss1tb-samsung-hd103sj-sp...

GPU
Sapphire HD 6970 ATI - AMD Radeon Graphics Card - 2GB
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-sapphire-hd-6970-pci...(x16)-5500mhz-gddr5-gpu-880mhz-1536cores-2x-minidp-hdmi-dvi
February 14, 2011 6:31:48 PM

Um, both the SB CPU's and 69XX GPU's aren't exactly hot running.

SB is actually well known for being very cool running. Anandtech got 4.4ghz stable using the crappy stock cooler.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-rev...

In fact, you can probably get near silent performance on air just by switching to a FT02 or Raven 02 Case, grabbing a nice air cooler (Scythe Mugen or Noctua NH-D14) and grabbing an AC Accelero.

You can go with this fans included pack, or grab your own fans.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That'll end up much cheaper than water and you'll be same performance.


I would get some better RAM than those though. Look for DDR3 1600 Cas 7, G Skill would be the best deal.

Also, you do know SB has been recalled due to Chipset issues right? Anticipated to be back in April.

If you insist on water, take a look at frozencpu's kits. This is a good one to start with. You can then add addition pumps/rads/GPU cooling to it as needed.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8411/ex-wat-140/Swift...
February 14, 2011 6:39:19 PM

Thats amazing advice man, especially on the overclock...

ill upgrade the ram and take a look at the air cooling options.

Thanks a lot mate.
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February 14, 2011 7:29:46 PM

This build includes two o/c gtx 560's in SLI and a 2600K with an excellent rated cpu cooler.

http://www.coolermaster.co.uk/product.php?category_id=3... <---more info on that case

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/164961 £79.99 inc. vat Free Delivery
Coolermaster HAF 922 Mid Tower Case - No PSU

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/241552 £73.38 inc vat Free Delivery
XFX Pro 750W Core Edition PSU - Single Rail 9x SATA 4x PCI-E

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/ASUS...(Socket+1155)+DDR3+PCI-Express+Motherboard+?productId=42939 £141.59 inc. VAT
ASUS P8P67 Pro Intel P67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 PCI-Express Motherboard

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Inte...(Sandybridge)+Socket+LGA1155+Processor+-+OEM+?productId=43574 £239.99 inc. VAT
Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158603 £36.95 inc. vat
Scythe Mugen 2 Rev B For Socket 1366, 1156, 775, 478, AM3, AM2+, AM2, 940, 939, 754 Processor Cooler

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY... £83.99 inc VAT
G.Skill RipJawsX 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL ) [F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL]

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176026 £11.99 inc. vat
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive - OEM Black with Nero Essentials

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/193712 £67.58 inc. vat Free Delivery
WD 1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6Gb/s Caviar Black Hard Drive - 7200rpm 64MB Cache

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/253958 £188.98 inc. vat Free Delivery
Gigabyte GTX 560 OC 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini HDMI Out PCI-E Graphics Card

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/253958 £188.98 inc. vat Free Delivery
Gigabyte GTX 560 OC 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini HDMI Out PCI-E Graphics Card

Total: £1,113.42 inc. vat

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173791 £72.22 inc. vat Free Delivery
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Licence and media - 1 PC - OEM - DVD - 64-bit - English
February 14, 2011 7:46:51 PM

Main concern with that build is that if he's running eyefinity with 3 monitors at 1080p, the 1gb of VRAM on those GTX 560's won't do.

You basically need 2gb of VRAM at those resolutions.

PSu wise, I'd say grab the XFX black edition 750W instead. It's better performing and actually cheaper in most places after the MIR.

If you use the Scythe Mugen, the standard issue is that if your RAM has tall heat spreaders, like the ripjaws, you won' t be able to use the first RAM slot, possibly first 2. See pics below



February 15, 2011 9:47:24 AM

Hi guys, thanks for the advice.

Ive made the following amendments to Hiya's build.


1) GPU's, changed to 2x 6970's in crossfire. Is that overkill? I assume this will be more than enough to drive 3x 24-27" 1080p screens for eyfinity. Any potential bottlenecks?

2) PSU changed to the 750w xfx black edition, maybe 800w with two GPUs?

3) Case. Thanks for the suggestions but i dont really like the aesthetic of theses ones. I chose the 800D due to its simplicity, elegance etc...

any other suggestions for a case with a similar look?
Do I need to change from the 800d,? Im looking for a cool running quiet pc.

4) Fan. Will I have any trouble using the Scythe Mugen with my set up? I have read many reviews and it sound like this is a great option. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158603

5) Added a 250 gig SSD. Not sure ill keep it, depends on how much the screens set me back.


http://www.scan.co.uk/products/cor [...] ns-w-o-psu
£217 inc. VAT
Corsair 800D

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/750w-xfx-black-edition-m...
£89 inc. VAT
750w xfx black edition

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-p8p67-pro-intel-p67...(x16)-ddr3-2200(oc)-sata-6gb-s-sata-raid
£144 inc. VAT
ASUS P8P67 Pro Intel P67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 PCI-Express Motherboard

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecial [...] ctId=43574
£239.99 inc. VAT
Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158603
£36.95 inc. vat
Scythe Mugen 2 Rev B For Socket 1366, 1156, 775, 478, AM3, AM2+, AM2, 940, 939, 754 Processor Cooler

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] ubcat=1517
£83.99 inc VAT
G.Skill RipJawsX 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL ) [F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL]

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176026
£11.99 inc. vat
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive - OEM Black with Nero Essentials

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/193712
£67.58 inc. vat Free Delivery
WD 1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6Gb/s Caviar Black Hard Drive - 7200rpm 64MB Cache

SSD
OCZ 200Gb
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/200 [...] te-275mb-s
£320

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-xfx-hd-6970-pci-e-21...(x16)-5500mhz-gddr5-gpu-880mhz-1536-cores-2x-mdp-dl-dvi-i-dvi-hdmi
£280.00 inc. vat
2gb-xfx-hd-6970

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-xfx-hd-6970-pci-e-21...(x16)-5500mhz-gddr5-gpu-880mhz-1536-cores-2x-mdp-dl-dvi-i-dvi-hdmi
£280.00 inc. vat
2gb-xfx-hd-6970

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173791
£72.22 inc. vat Free Delivery
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Licence and media - 1 PC - OEM - DVD - 64-bit - English

Total

£1838 with SSD & 2x 6970 GPU's
£1238 without SSD and 1 6970

Thoughts?



February 15, 2011 10:06:35 AM

Drop the 200gb SSD (60/120 are much more reasonable) and grab a UD7 or WS Revolution Motherboard for 16x16x Crossfire/SLI with the saved cash.

Grab a Megahalems or Noctua D14 to avoid the RAM clearance issue and better cooling than the Mugen (fans can slide up for extra clearance - although more $$$).

Grab an 850w if you go for xfire 6970s - better to run it at lower capacity for quieter and more efficient operation.

If you're going the single 6970 budget range you're better off going xfire 6850s (w 750w PSU) for much better performance for about the same price.

(The buy 1 card now for future upgradability logic fails, as by the time you're ready to upgrade theres comparable single card options again for the same price (once you sell the old cards))
February 15, 2011 10:08:18 AM

Corsair case is overpriced too (really its a watercooling case tbh anyway) - grab a HAF-X / 932, or a Fractal R3 (w/ additional fans) if you like a clean look.
February 15, 2011 11:29:08 AM

Ok thanks mate,

So with the following amendments:

1) Motherboard changed to ASUS P8P67 WS REVOLUTION Intel P67 Socket 1155 Motherboard
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-p8p67-ws-revolution...

2) Fan changed to a Noctua D14
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/noctua-nh-d14-dual-radia...

3) PSU changed to an xfx 850w black edition
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/850w-xfx-black-edition-m...

4) Case. Still not sure on this but ill find something. I like the look og the Fractal R3 however one of the reviews mentioned that it wasn't particularly good for multi gpu systems.

5) SSD, moved to a 120gig
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/120gb-ocz-technology-ver...


the build now looks like this.


http://www.scan.co.uk/products/cor [...] ns-w-o-psu
£217 inc. VAT
Corsair 800D

xfx 850w black edition
£115
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/850w-xfx-black-edition-m...

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-p8p67-ws-revolution...
£225 inc. VAT
ASUS P8P67 WS REVOLUTION Intel P67 Socket 1155 Motherboard

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecial [...] ctId=43574
£239.99 inc. VAT
Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/noctua-nh-d14-dual-radia...
£60 inc. vat
Noctua D14

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] ubcat=1517
£83.99 inc VAT
G.Skill RipJawsX 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL ) [F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL]

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176026
£11.99 inc. vat
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive - OEM Black with Nero Essentials

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/193712
£67.58 inc. vat Free Delivery
WD 1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6Gb/s Caviar Black Hard Drive - 7200rpm 64MB Cache

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/120gb-ocz-technology-ver...
OCZ 120Gb
£167

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb [...] i-dvi-hdmi
£280.00 inc. vat
2gb-xfx-hd-6970

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb [...] i-dvi-hdmi
£280.00 inc. vat
2gb-xfx-hd-6970

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173791
£72.22 inc. vat Free Delivery
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Licence and media - 1 PC - OEM - DVD - 64-bit - English

Total: £1817

So far so good?
February 15, 2011 1:09:27 PM

Noctua NH-D14 has same RAM issues as the mugen.


The FAns themselves go up, but in many mobo's, the HS itself covers RAM slots.


Choices are to get RAM without the stupid useless heat spreaders, aka G SKill Eco or grab a megahalems which does not block ram slots.



The corsair cases suck at air cooling. They're really meant for water cooling.
For air, low end there's the HAF 922, Antec 1200, 902, CM 690II.
If you want higher end nice cases, then Silverstone Raven 2 and Fortress 2 are the best air cooling cases out there, and they're some of the most quiet.

GPU wise I don't like the 6970's since they really aren't worth it price to performance wise. I'd say just go with 2, 2gb 6950's and you'll have no issue with 3 1080p monitors.

the 6850's xfire suggestion, like the gtx 560 suggestion will not work for eyefinity because you won't have enough vram, and you'll hit a brick wall FPS wise as a result.

I actually build a silent gaming PC for someone last year using a Fortress 2, scythe mugen and xfire 5850's with accelero s1's. Got idle w/ i5-750 and the 5850's to below room ambient noise, IE you couldn't tell system was on at night.

In the future though, I think I'd try Accelero Xtreme Plus's instead since the s1's was really the only reason the PC was audible at load.

February 15, 2011 1:56:48 PM

Ok cool, i like the Fortress 2 so I might run with that.

Not sure about the GPU's, I think I may end up with the 6950's depending on the monitor expense. Regarding this, dose anyone have any suggestions for the best monitors to use with eyefinity? Ill be selling a apple 24" display to help fund the purchase and will hav around £600 or so (very flexable, just want great results without wasting money).

Finally, re cooling, if I run with the megahalem what fan should I use, the Accelero? Or is this for a different component.

Excuse these noob questions but im unclear on what to do with cooling.

February 15, 2011 2:08:00 PM

I think I get it now, the Accelero is for the GPU's and the megahalem cools the CPU... right?

Also, is one accelero sufficient to cool 2 xfire 6970's?
February 15, 2011 2:22:44 PM

the accelero replaces the stock cooling fans of a GPU. So you'd need 1 for each GPU.

My recommendation is to not bother if it's your first build. Replacing GPU coolers is actually very much a pain in the butt and if your screw up you can easily fry your GPU.

Megahalem for CPU is correct. I actually ran into an article a while back where someone was able to use a megahalem (i think it was) in either a FT02 or Raven 2 with air penetrator fans to cool the CPU w/o a fan on the heatsink. This was possible due to the ability of the AP fans to push so much air straight ahead.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

I'm tempted to give this a try in a SB build later this year since the SB CPU's run so much cooler than everything else out.

As for monitor's, I've only done 2 eyefinity builds for people, 1 was a Digital Art designer so he went with dell ultrasharps (IPS monitors). He got 3 23" ones for $200 each on sale.

The gamer I built one for just got 3 cheap Asus 21.5" 1080p LCD's. Forgot exact model, but something like this one is fine.

asus 21.5" 1080p, $135 in US after promo code and rebate. Not sure what prices across the pond are like.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

edit: found article
February 15, 2011 2:33:07 PM

Ok thanks, sounds like fitting this cooler isnt two hard: http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=h...

I'd like to get the 6970's running as quiet as pos because I use the room for music production so I might push forward with it. Ill make sure I take my time and get some good advice.

Thanks again mate, much appreciated.

February 15, 2011 2:55:46 PM

The problem with the xtreme's are that they won't work in xfire or sli setups.

Most cards leave 3 slots of room btwn cards in xfire. That cooler takes up 3.5 slots. Hence no xfire as a result. You'd really need a eatx board and a full 8 slot PCIe case to use that thing with a xfire setup.

This is a GA UD9 with xfire 5970's with accelero xtreme's. You can see how tight a fit this is. Bear in mind ud9 is XL ATX and as a result even has an extra PCIE slot between the 2 GPU's (wouldn't even fit in a normal ATX board).

Even then, the creator of this system has admitted the setup doesn't work since the top GPU doesn't get any air flow.

February 15, 2011 2:55:50 PM

If you are going for clean external looks I would go with the cooler master atcs 840 over a half x any day. But I love my corsair 800d. I feel it was a worthwhile upgrade from the atcs 840. The Megahalem is a great cooler. Had it on my last build with the 980x and atcs 840 with 3 5870's.
February 15, 2011 3:02:45 PM

So what would you suggest I use to cool the cards if I go with an xfire setup...

February 15, 2011 3:06:15 PM

You can just use stock GPU cooling. In a well ventilated case like the FT02 you shouldn't have any need to really use massive Aftermarket GPU cooling unless you're going for extreme silence.

Get 6950 with OEM installed better cooling, preferably one that has dual fans like this MSI (don't get MSI though, their support sucks).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You'll be able to run the fans at min speed at idle and low speeds at load and you'll be fine noise wise.

edit:
Is there any particular reason you want to game with eyefinity in a music production room? o.O
February 15, 2011 3:12:14 PM

You can just get this single, self-sustained water-cooler for the CPU, that'll free up a lot of space (because you can mount it slightly away from the MB), a little more noise but not much, higher OCs, and costs about $50 more than an after-market fan/heatsink.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, I'd recommend an Intel SSD at that size.


February 15, 2011 3:24:14 PM

Cheap water is worse than big air...

This has been established about 4 times by Tom's

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-h50-fort120...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/h50-fort120-cogage,...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-h70-liquid-...

And by Overclock3D
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/corsai...

and by frostytech...
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=256...

The reasons to use cheap water are:
1. Save space.
2. If you're an OEM maker and want to avoid DOA systems. (HSF's are probably the most commonly broken component when shipping full systems).

2. If why all the OEM and custom boutiques like to rave about cheap water. It's not better, but they get to make a few extra bucks, and they significantly cut down on DOA systems (lower support cost for them).
February 15, 2011 3:34:29 PM

cant seem to find any OEM cards with two fans like you suggested...

From your advice ill probably just use the stock coolers for the GPU's.

Re music production, I have a macbook pro that runs my music set up but would like to have both computers operating, hence the need for quiet. Dosent have to be silent though.

February 15, 2011 3:55:15 PM

Wait, so you aren't gaming then? or did you mean you're gaming on the xfire system while doing music production stuff on the macbook?

FAn wise I usually recommend scythe slipstreams. There's a whole bunch of them, just pick the one with the CFm (airflow) and noise balance you like.

Here's a middle of the road one. 68cfm at 24 dcb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

There are better performing ones out there, but they're harder to find and don't tend to last very long.
February 15, 2011 5:42:16 PM

Here's a decent low voltage 2x4gb RAM kit with low heat sinks.

http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=239 <---more info on that memory

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/mem... £95.86 inc vat
G.Skill Ripjaw 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C7 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit


http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm <---this cpu h/s down below is rated in the top 5 @ Frosty Tech

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermaltake-frio-cl-p056... £41.87 Inc VAT
ThermalTake Frio CPU Cooler
February 15, 2011 6:02:58 PM

Ripjaws will work perfect with the Megahalems or D14 w/ an WS Revolution - the push fan will clear the heatsinks, but you should be looking for the new X model 1.5v ones, my 1.6v ones won't run @ 1600mhz on the P67 Pro (4x2gb)

The Frio cooler is good - but super loud and a pain to install, better off with a Megahalems w/ 1600 or 1900 RPM S-Flex or Slipstream (or a Yate Loon 2200RPM). The 1850RPM Gentle Typhoons are also supposed to be good.

As for the case look into grabbing a FT-02, (ideally with rear exhausting GPUs), still nice and clean looking but much better cooling than the Corsair.
February 16, 2011 7:36:40 AM

Ok great stuff, looks like im almost done...

So, taking on board all the above advice my build now looks like this:




Case
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/silverstone-fortress-ft0...
£191 inc. VAT
Silverstone Fortress

PSU
xfx 850w black edition
£115
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/850 [...] -quiet-fan

MOBO
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asu [...] 5-ddr3-s-l
£225 inc. VAT
ASUS P8P67 WS REVOLUTION Intel P67 Socket 1155 Motherboard

CPU
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecial [...] ctId=43574
£239.99 inc. VAT
Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM

H/S
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/prolimatech-megahalems-r...(fanless)
Megahalem

Fan
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/120mm-scythe-gentle-typh...
Scythe Gentle Typhoon

Ram
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/home/product/47358/G-Skill...
£90 inc VAT
G.Skill RipJawsX 8GB (2x4GB) 1.5v

OD
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176026
£11.99 inc. vat
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive - OEM Black with Nero Essentials

HD 1T
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/193712
£67.58 inc. vat Free Delivery
WD 1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6Gb/s Caviar Black Hard Drive - 7200rpm 64MB Cache

SSD
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/239663?utm_source=google&...
Intel 120g SSD
£173

GPU’s
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb [...] i-dvi-hdmi
£280.00 inc. vat
2gb-xfx-hd-6970

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb [...] i-dvi-hdmi
£280.00 inc. vat
2gb-xfx-hd-6970

OS
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173791
£72.22 inc. vat Free Delivery
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium - Licence and media - 1 PC - OEM - DVD - 64-bit - English


Im I missing anything other than peripherals?

Do I need any case fans for cooling etc...

Thanks again for all the help getting this build together, i'd be lost without the support!
February 16, 2011 12:47:12 PM

Links are actually broken, but parts look fine.

Case comes with all the fans you need already.
February 16, 2011 12:58:55 PM

Great thanks, yeah not sure what happened to the links.

any oidea of the sort of performance I could expect with this rig...

Ill be playing FPS's like Crysis as well as Dragon age 2, Skyrim when its out and some strategy games like Total War etc.

February 16, 2011 1:14:25 PM

No one knows how Skyrim will run since it's a brand new engine. Hopefully it's not a repeat of how Oblivion massacred PC's when it first came out.

Crysis is the only one to worry about. You're getting 64 FPS at 2560x 1600, but that's 4 MP vs 6MP for 3 1920x1080 monitors. My guess is at Anandtech settings, gamers + enthusiast shader + 4xAA you'll get around 40 FPS, which is perfectly fine.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-...


FPS is really one of those things no one can agree on. What I like to say though, is that yes a trained individual can tell the diff btwn 40fps and 60 fps, but hey tv runs at 24 FPS and HD movies at 30fps, and I don't see anyone complaining about FPS being too low in either of those.

Rest of games you'll easily max your monitors 60fps limit.
February 17, 2011 6:43:42 AM

- Ditch the Intel SDD and grab an OCZ Vertex 2 (better and cheaper)
- Grab a Samsung F3 HDD instead of the Caviar Black (better and cheaper)
- Although the 2600k is awesome, keep in mind that a 2500k has nearly identical gaming performance and also overclocks like a monster and will save you a wad of cash.

Otherwise looking really good.
February 17, 2011 12:59:04 PM

Yea, switch the HD back to F3 as in original build.

Disagree about the Vertex 2 over Intel though. Yes the vertex 2 is faster on PAPER, but in practice it rarely reaches its advertised speeds due to the controller complete fail when dealing with compressed data.

Either way though, it's not read/write speed that matters on a boot drive. Do you really plan on copy and moving huge files on and off a boot drive or is it something you install everything on and leave it?

What matters for a boot drive is IO's and access times, which the Intel drives are superior at. So if you look at actual load times for ex.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/794-12/ssd-2010-roun...
you'll see that Intel drives do still come out ahead. They're slower in files transfers and installs, but once again, for a boot drive, that's not really important.

edit: Also, I'd watch out for OCZ, they're a pretty sketchy company. Lots of drama ATM about how they had people pay for upgrades to 25nm vertex 2 drives and then gave them drives that were less performance and smaller than their old drives.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2143367
Lots of drama on the OCZ forums over this as well.
February 17, 2011 4:07:18 PM

banthracis said:
Yea, switch the HD back to F3 as in original build.

Disagree about the Vertex 2 over Intel though. Yes the vertex 2 is faster on PAPER, but in practice it rarely reaches its advertised speeds due to the controller complete fail when dealing with compressed data.

Either way though, it's not read/write speed that matters on a boot drive. Do you really plan on copy and moving huge files on and off a boot drive or is it something you install everything on and leave it?

What matters for a boot drive is IO's and access times, which the Intel drives are superior at. So if you look at actual load times for ex.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/794-12/ssd-2010-roun...
you'll see that Intel drives do still come out ahead. They're slower in files transfers and installs, but once again, for a boot drive, that's not really important.

edit: Also, I'd watch out for OCZ, they're a pretty sketchy company. Lots of drama ATM about how they had people pay for upgrades to 25nm vertex 2 drives and then gave them drives that were less performance and smaller than their old drives.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2143367
Lots of drama on the OCZ forums over this as well.

To add to that...if there's a company worse than OCZ at honoring their rebates, Iv'e yet to hear of them. Having OCZ honor one of their mail in rebates is like playing with loaded dice imo.
February 17, 2011 4:12:52 PM

I would pay a bit more and get a 120GB PCIe SSD if you want 2x to 3x more speed at not a alot more.
I think CF 6950s will be good for want you want to do.
I had OCZ ram for 2 years and they work like they should.
February 17, 2011 4:26:22 PM

Funny thing is, that OCZ is actually leaving the RAM industry. Their stuff has been crappy last few years so I'm not surprised.

Guess 4ktv you got yours right before they went downhill ^^
April 9, 2011 11:11:17 AM

Im building a very similar system and I've found that for an additional £20 you can pick up a speedy Hybrid Drive that will speed up your system considerably. I personally use a server to store data long term.

But while your working or gaming you may want to gain access to your files a bit quikcker... You'll have to take a cut in storage size as at present a 500GB Hybrid Drive is £89.99 at www.ebuyer.com (QuickFind Code: 222310).

Also the case your buying I've checked the reviews and the best case for you is definately the Fractal R3 or Lian Li Tyr PC-X1000.

Cheaper and better performing than the Silverstone. Have more features too.

Can someone elaborate on the Software configuration using these drives though please. I've seen many rigs with 2 x 60gb SSD's rather than 1 x 100GB + is that due to cost or are there substantial increases in speed using the smaller drives?

Is it the case that one drive is set to C: or both, is one for software and one for OS or are they usually used in a Raid config?

Any elaboration on that would be cool.

PS...Have you brought your components yet Paddy?

I've just bit the bullet and bought:

Processor Intel Core i7 2600K Processor
Memory 8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 Dual Channel Memory Kit
Motherboard Asus P8P67 Pro Intel P67 (Socket 1155) Motherboard

But I wish I held out until reading this thread I would have bought different RAM if I had. I'm not overclocking my Rig straight away either its a considerable improvement to my previous so no need - ~yet~ lol
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