Gaming performance

So i just bought a Gigabyte Gtx 560 super overclocked and installed it...
PC specs are:
Intel Core2Duo E7500 (no OC)
Gygabyte GTX 560 with latest drivers
2gb ram
600W CX600 Corsair psu
ASrock Wolfdale 1333-d667

im thinking my board (reason why i placed it in the sub category) is whats slowing down my gaming performance... i should be able to play SSF4, Crysis 2, MW3 and L.A. Noire fairly easy, probably not at its best but they should work. well, they dont... textures crash after a while, so does directx... its impossible that the problem comes from the card so is there any way that the board is incompatible?
thanks in advance
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  1. First, get more memory. 4GB will help load times. Your board uses DDR2 667 MHZ memory max. Old, but should not be a limiting factor. And won't affect framerate to any great extent.
    Second, and probably your main issue, I would be sure my system is clean of resource wasting crap and registry errors. Run CCleaner and do the Clean and Registry both.
    http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner Then defrag.
    You may need to uninstall the graphics driver, run Driver Sweeper from Safe Mode and remove any old Nvidia, ATI, and AMD graphics driver remnants left behind. Reboot and install the latest driver for your card.
    http://phyxion.net/item/driver-sweeper.html
    And remember, the resolution you game at will make a huge difference in your framerate. Are you trying to game at 1920x1080 or more with that card?
  2. the board wont allow more than 2gbs, so i might be bound to drop $100 or so to switch boards and get 4 or 8 gbs of ram.
    im using the native settings, its like 1440 x 900 or something like that (I'm sure of the first number, not so much the second, using my pc at work right now)

    I constantly run the ccleaner often, freed u like 25gbs yesterday, but still.
    Used to have an xfx ati radeon hd 4350 so if the new card didnt cleanup those files they're prolly still there, although i dont see the settings software for ati anymore.

    Thought is the board cause before i had the same specs as a friend with the board difference and he could use games i couldnt... yeah lower specs but still.

    I'll try the driver sweeper and report back
  3. First bottlenecks - 1. E7500 2-core, 2. 2GB of RAM as above you need at least 4GB of DDR2-667.

    Problems - more than likely it's a memory issue, but it too can be from Windows. Either look at your (.dmp) files or if running (unsupported) Windows 7 look at the Event Manager [+] Critical errors to see the root cause. Next possibility, PSU's loose capacity over time or 20%~25% which is very close to the load minimum requirement.
  4. What kind of OS are you running? With the 32 bit systems you are limited to 4 gb of ram INCLUDING your video card memory and the ram your system reserves for itself. If your card has 1GB or ram then you would only see about 2GB being used.
  5. jemm said:

    version number 2 jemm im pretty sure i've got v1
  6. jaquith said:
    First bottlenecks - 1. E7500 2-core, 2. 2GB of RAM as above you need at least 4GB of DDR2-667.

    Problems - more than likely it's a memory issue, but it too can be from Windows. Either look at your (.dmp) files or if running (unsupported) Windows 7 look at the Event Manager [+] Critical errors to see the root cause. Next possibility, PSU's loose capacity over time or 20%~25% which is very close to the load minimum requirement.


    cant be the psu, its brand new, came with the card on saturday.
    the E7500 aint that bad, cant really upgrade to a quad anytime soon

    totalknowledge said:
    What kind of OS are you running? With the 32 bit systems you are limited to 4 gb of ram INCLUDING your video card memory and the ram your system reserves for itself. If your card has 1GB or ram then you would only see about 2GB being used.


    Im using windows xp sp3. the video card memory is just 1024mb (which reads 1.5gb in cyri for some unknown reason) + the 2gb ram should be 3 so im not following... :s
  7. liquidwolf135 said:
    version number 2 jemm im pretty sure i've got v1

    Both are the same 4GB limits.

    Wolfdale1333-D667 R1.0 - http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Wolfdale1333-D667
    Wolfdale1333-D667 R2.0 - http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Wolfdale1333-D667%20R2.0
  8. jaquith said:


    according to what totalknowledge said, i cant go 4gb without changing OS
  9. liquidwolf135 said:
    Im using windows xp sp3. the video card memory is just 1024mb (which reads 1.5gb in cyri for some unknown reason) + the 2gb ram should be 3 so im not following... :s

    The GTX 560 'normally' itself (try's) sucks up ~2.8GB of RAM (Shared System Memory) plus it's 1GB onboard vRAM. What you 'might' want to try, in addition to getting 4GB of DDR2 RAM, is a USB Flash Drive and move the Virtual Memory to the USB Flash Drive.
  10. jaquith said:
    The GTX 560 'normally' itself (try's) sucks up ~2.8GB of RAM (Shared System Memory) plus it's 1GB onboard vRAM. What you 'might' want to try, in addition to getting 4GB of DDR2 RAM, is a USB Flash Drive and move the Virtual Memory to the USB Flash Drive.


    lost me, then what do i use the 4gbs allocated to virtual memory inside my HD? isnt it supposed to act as ram too? (or at least was told that by the tech that sets dads pc)
  11. You need to go to a 64 bit os to use all 4GB. There is a 64 bit version of Windows XP.

    If you have the 64bit version on your installation disks then you can always try it out. If not then I would look at getting a whole new set up. Trying to bandaid what you have is going to be a short term investment. Support for Windows XP ends in 2014. I am not sure about Windows 8 yet. So the best os upgrade option would be Windows 7 - 64bit.

    All that said...

    It probably is your mother board throttling the ability of the card. I am not sure what pcie draft the board uses, but even if it matches the card, your board could be "stealing" resources to try to run the graphics card.

    I just grabbed a "new" motherboard for my system because it was doing the same. The new board runs all the memory and my video card just fine.
  12. liquidwolf135 said:
    the board wont allow more than 2gbs, so i might be bound to drop $100 or so to switch boards and get 4 or 8 gbs of ram.
    im using the native settings, its like 1440 x 900 or something like that (I'm sure of the first number, not so much the second, using my pc at work right now)

    I constantly run the ccleaner often, freed u like 25gbs yesterday, but still.
    Used to have an xfx ati radeon hd 4350 so if the new card didnt cleanup those files they're prolly still there, although i dont see the settings software for ati anymore.

    Thought is the board cause before i had the same specs as a friend with the board difference and he could use games i couldnt... yeah lower specs but still.

    I'll try the driver sweeper and report back

    If you are gaming at 1440x900, the GTX 560 should be quite enough for decent framerates... if you get more memory. The dual core will not be that big a problem. I built a budget gamer awhile back with an old E6700 and an HD 5770 and 4GB DDR2 800MHZ RAM. It played any game at great framerates on a 1680x1050 monitor with all or most eye candy turned on.
    Like Jaquith says, your Asrock board should be able to accept 4GB of memory. Where did you see that it only can handle 2GB?
  13. liquidwolf135 said:
    according to what totalknowledge said, i cant go 4gb without changing OS

    Huh?! XP 32-bit is fine up to 4GB of RAM, the 'problem' is ~3.5GB will be available to the OS. To get the full 4GB is both a function of the OS and Chipset. Meaning most Intel 9XX Chipset have the 32-bit limit. The Intel 945GC A2 has a 4GB limit -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Core_2_chipsets Therefore, in your case it's a limit from both OS and Chipset, and again expect ~3.5GB of the 4GB to be available; this is a significant increase.

    In short getting the full 4.0GB is impossible in your case; two 32-bit dependencies.
  14. liquidwolf135 said:
    lost me, then what do i use the 4gbs allocated to virtual memory inside my HD? isnt it supposed to act as ram too? (or at least was told that by the tech that sets dads pc)

    The GPU's (Shared System Memory) is a Variable Size dependent upon the FREE and available RAM after the OS/BIOS (HW Reserved/Etc) is used. In your case little to nearly none.

    Example, note the (Shared System Memory = from RAM) plus it's (Dedicated Graphics Memory); in this case ~4.7GB.
    See -> http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/WEI_HJ_i7930_IDE.gif

    Further, note the (Standby) memory, the vast majority is (Shared System Memory) from the GPU, but as I open more applications the (Standby) memory aka (Shared System Memory) will be reduced as (Free) is used up. The Impact in Performance as the GPU's (Shared System Memory) is reduced is significant. In addition, as Windows runs out of Memory and uses Virtual Memory IF the load on the system is too much 'memory too low' your system becomes ever more unstable.
    See -> http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/RM_7PRO6GB.gif
  15. ooookkkkk I kind of understood. kind of...
    best solution is switch board, add ram, switch to windows 7(which will take more resources from me than xp) and put a better processor... which is a "no can do" for now.
    At least not processor... i could switch board (having to stick to 775 socket), add ram up to 8gb and switch to win7

    a friend has this one:
    http://www.amazon.com/MSI-G41M-P25-Desktop-Motherboard-Controller/dp/B0065N3P4Y/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1326815658&sr=8-5

    buuuut he suggests
    http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-G41MT-S2P-Intel-Desktop-Motherboard/dp/B004MF4IAW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326815658&sr=8-1
    since its the same brand as my card.

    so all i can do is a temporal patch up


    edit...
    just so u guys notice the magnitude of the damage

    used to be able to play that with the radeon. now, sometimes i can, sometimes it looks like this with the slight add of it crashing very often because directx stops working...
  16. jaquith said:
    Huh?! XP 32-bit is fine up to 4GB of RAM, the 'problem' is ~3.5GB will be available to the OS. To get the full 4GB is both a function of the OS and Chipset. Meaning most Intel 9XX Chipset have the 32-bit limit. The Intel 945GC A2 has a 4GB limit -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Core_2_chipsets Therefore, in your case it's a limit from both OS and Chipset, and again expect ~3.5GB of the 4GB to be available; this is a significant increase.

    In short getting the full 4.0GB is impossible in your case; two 32-bit dependencies.


    Except that as the video card memory gets bigger, your system memory gets smaller. 32-bit systems can only address 4GB of memory total. Back when video card memory wasn't all that big, it wasn't a big deal. Now that video cards have 1 or 2GB of memory that seriously eats into what the system can address. Plus the os reserves some of the address space for internal use. Even with no video memory a 32 bit Windows os will not use all 4GB (assuming its installed). With a 1GB video card it would be trying to address 5GB worth of memory.

    eta: Here is a link that explains it more in depth. http://www.vistaclues.com/reader-question-maximum-memory-in-32-bit-windows-vista/
  17. ^I was providing an Example, same idea applies - less RAM.
  18. liquidwolf135 said:
    ooookkkkk I kind of understood. kind of...
    best solution is switch board, add ram, switch to windows 7(which will take more resources from me than xp) and put a better processor... which is a "no can do" for now.
    At least not processor... i could switch board (having to stick to 775 socket), add ram up to 8gb and switch to win7


    Just make sure its 64bit Windows 7...

    32bit is finally dying. Its reign lasted much longer than it should have.
  19. totalknowledge said:
    Just make sure its 64bit Windows 7...

    32bit is finally dying. Its reign lasted much longer than it should have.


    wasnt there a gaming version of 7? or was it vista? that took less resources.
  20. Nope, no 'gaming versions.' I seriously doubt Windows 7 vs XP is going to do a thing. You first need to get more RAM.
  21. It really sounds like you could use some upgrading all the way around. RAM could be a starting place, but if you end up replacing your motherboard or motherboard&cpu then the ram you get could be a limiting factor of your upgrade.

    If your case has plenty of room, you could get a cpu/motherboard and or ram bundle to slap in your case.

    What's your upgrading budget?
  22. jaquith said:
    Nope, no 'gaming versions.' I seriously doubt Windows 7 vs XP is going to do a thing. You first need to get more RAM.


    but everyone says games on windows 7 drain up more resources

    totalknowledge said:
    It really sounds like you could use some upgrading all the way around. RAM could be a starting place, but if you end up replacing your motherboard or motherboard&cpu then the ram you get could be a limiting factor of your upgrade.

    If your case has plenty of room, you could get a cpu/motherboard and or ram bundle to slap in your case.

    What's your upgrading budget?

    upgrading budget is about 100-120 bux... cant use the amount i did for the psu and gpu... thats why i posted those 2 boards up there. theyre in the 60-80 range and ive seen some 8gb ram (2x4gb) at 40s
  23. I wasn't pushing Win 7, I was if anything recommending the OP use the money for more RAM; been my theme this entire thread.
  24. Well... you can pick up some memory that is on the verge of being obsolete:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313132

    for about ~45

    or you can do an upgrade to a new motherboard also and get newer ram:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157173
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313079

    for about ~88

    Then try sticking with the Windows xp for a bit.

    As a caveat, I only matched the memory to the type 667 for your board, and 800 for the other board. I didn't dive deep into the compatibility. You will want to double check that. Likewise with the mother board, and your exact cpu model.
  25. jaquith said:
    I wasn't pushing Win 7, I was if anything recommending the OP use the money for more RAM; been my theme this entire thread.


    I know, dad has the os just need to figure if its 64bit, so if i can switch it for free, why not?

    totalknowledge said:
    Well... you can pick up some memory that is on the verge of being obsolete:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313132

    for about ~45

    or you can do an upgrade to a new motherboard also and get newer ram:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157173
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313079

    for about ~88

    Then try sticking with the Windows xp for a bit.

    As a caveat, I only matched the memory to the type 667 for your board, and 800 for the other board. I didn't dive deep into the compatibility. You will want to double check that. Likewise with the mother board, and your exact cpu model.



    if i switch to win7 (cause i doubt ill find winxp 64bit around here) ill have to make another upgrade later on... so i could get a better board, stick with 775 socket, 8gb ram and laaaater upgrade to a quad... (sucks by the time i try switching sockets but i cant do better than that for now)
  26. XP 64-bit is horrible and you're X10 better off with Windows 7 64-bit.

    Sure a new system will be better. Your current platform can hold its own when equipped with the 4-core, but with the GTX 560 + 4GB RAM it should perform better.
  27. jaquith said:
    XP 64-bit is horrible and you're X10 better off with Windows 7 64-bit.

    Sure a new system will be better. Your current platform can hold its own when equipped with the 4-core, but with the GTX 560 + 4GB RAM it should perform better.


    I'm going to have to switch board brands... ASRock did great with me but i guess ill try a gigabyte (GA-G41MT-USB3) now. I'll be adding corsair vengeance ddr3 2x4gb ram that a friend just bought and cant use :p. 64bit win7 and with luck, by may ill be ordering a quad... if not, full board and cpu change by january
  28. Very Cool and Smart - Enjoy! :sol:

    Let us know...
  29. thank you guys for everything!!! i was going insane... not so nice buying sumtn new and noticing everything else bottlenecks it... things will get here by next week so ill be posting results then.

    cya and thanks! you guys rock, mean it! :D
  30. Gigabyte makes some good boards. Best of luck :)
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