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Is it worth a GPU Change????

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December 17, 2010 9:07:22 AM

Hello,
I was wondering if i could get some help from the experts.
I currently have a PC with these specs:
AMD Phenom II X4 970 @ 3.50GHZ
4GB DDR3 1066MHZ Ram
320gb HDD
ATi Radeon HD5670 512mb

Well, i was wondering if it would be worth saving up for an ATi HD6850 1024mb Sapphire.
Will I get much of a performance improvement, and is it worth it for £159.99???

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December 17, 2010 9:09:54 AM

If your PSU can handle a 6850, then yes, it is worth it, unless you already can play games at playable framerate and graphic's settings.
December 17, 2010 9:20:47 AM

Sure, it would be a big boost in performance.
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December 17, 2010 11:08:25 AM

best you go for HD 5000 series itself. Though the cards may be out of topic these days, they are still the best. After reading reviews about HD 6000 series, they have a less performance compared to the latter.The 5970 is still faster than the 6970.Going for the 5970 or 5870 will be a better choice.
Also, you can expect better frames from the card which you decided
December 17, 2010 11:11:00 AM

Even a 5850 would be an overall improvement from your previous card without costing more than 250$.
December 17, 2010 12:15:27 PM

why not go with nvidia?a gtx 460 or gtx 465 will be a perfect choice as prices are down now due to gtx 500 series.
December 18, 2010 6:46:59 AM

Because Nvidia are overpriced. In the UK, for the same price as a GTX465, I can get an Ati Radeon HD5870 1gb
December 18, 2010 3:50:19 PM

the 465 is a miserable failure, I seem to catch jericho handing out terrible advice every day, seriously this guy needs to be booted off toms rediculous. IMO dont bother with the 5 series its old tech, also 6850/6870 perform very close to the 5850/5870 and can surpass when oc'ed, also there is not too much of a price difference. The 6 series also scales much better. To the guy comparing the 5970 to the 6970: Ati changed there naming scheme and i wouldnt expect the dual chip 5970 to beat a single chip 6970, so im not sure what your talking about but i think you will have to wait for the 6990 or whatever it will be called which will be the new dual chip and replace the 5970 eventually.

Nvidia has good choices too but generally produce more heat and draw more power, especially the 4 series.

I would go for a 6850/70 or gtx 460/470, and imho I would go for a 6870 great value overall, but so are the other cards listed. Really any card in this range will be a very nice improvement over what you have currently
December 18, 2010 3:52:25 PM

mrjericho1991 said:
why not go with nvidia?a gtx 460 or gtx 465 will be a perfect choice as prices are down now due to gtx 500 series.



To the OP:

Do not listen to or respond to this guy Ive seen him posting bad advice in several threads in the past weeks.

To the Moderator:

How is this guy still aloud to post anywhere on toms?? never has had anything of value to say, bad and illogical advice. terrible
December 18, 2010 9:08:09 PM

flightsimluke what games,flightsims do you play?

If you use Microsoft Flight Simulator X:

First of all Microsoft Flight Simulator X does run better with nVidia cards (like the 460 GTX and especially the 580 GTX (the best card for FSX so far) etc) however some later higher end ATI cards do run well with it like the Radeon HD 5850 & 5870.FSX doesn't play well with SLI or Crossfired cards or the Radeon HD 5970 (2 graphics chips essentially crossfired on one card).

I do agree the GTX 465 is a stinker.
December 19, 2010 5:24:49 AM

jjb8675309 said:
. To the guy comparing the 5970 to the 6970: Ati changed there naming scheme and i wouldnt expect the dual chip 5970 to beat a single chip 6970, so im not sure what your talking about but i think you will have to wait for the 6990 or whatever it will be called which will be the new dual chip and replace the 5970 eventually.


Did you mean me ? Ok, so the 6970 is a single chip ? Didn't know that. But still, the HD 5970 does deliver better frame rates right than the 6970. Isn't it true ?

Seems like the HD 6990 will be a replacement to the 5970.
December 19, 2010 5:26:36 AM

Gman450 said:
Did you mean me ? Ok, so the 6970 is a single chip ? Didn't know that. But still, the HD 5970 does deliver better frame rates right than the 6970. Isn't it true ?


yes your absolutely right, the 5970 will delivery more frames as it is technically dual 5850s, the 6000 series equivalent has not arrived yet. However in certain instances if crossfire is not utilized then the 6970 would obviously outperform a single 5850 (half of the 5970). I cannot tell you from personal experience but I've read about many driver issues that exist. To answer your question yes the 6970 is a single chip.

I'm pretty sure that the 6990 will be dual 6950s but this is just speculation.
December 19, 2010 5:34:01 AM

Hey buddy, could you answer me this question ?
I am looking for a GTS 450. And I have found one in a nearby hardware shop. They seemed to only have Asus as their manufacturer. So, I wanted to ask you whether Asus is a good manufacturer and provide warranty and all.
December 19, 2010 6:08:07 AM

Gman450 said:
Hey buddy, could you answer me this question ?
I am looking for a GTS 450. And I have found one in a nearby hardware shop. They seemed to only have Asus as their manufacturer. So, I wanted to ask you whether Asus is a good manufacturer and provide warranty and all.


yeah asus is generally a good gpu manufacturer, how much for the gts 450??, personal message me with your full computer specs if you want me to make a gpu suggestion so we don't hijack this thread, :)  but I will get back to you as soon as I can and happy to help.

but if you are set on the gts 450, go for it, its not terribly expensive usually and generally a good bang for your buck
December 19, 2010 6:26:48 AM

jj463rd said:
flightsimluke what games,flightsims do you play?

If you use Microsoft Flight Simulator X:

First of all Microsoft Flight Simulator X does run better with nVidia cards (like the 460 GTX and especially the 580 GTX (the best card for FSX so far) etc) however some later higher end ATI cards do run well with it like the Radeon HD 5850 & 5870.FSX doesn't play well with SLI or Crossfired cards or the Radeon HD 5970 (2 graphics chips essentially crossfired on one card).

I do agree the GTX 465 is a stinker.


Yep, I use Microsoft Flight Simulator X. I make videos (Using Fraps), just play too-i want to be a pilot, lol.
With my current system (I Actually currently have the AMD Athlon X2 215, 6 days till i get the Phenom 970 :D  ) I achieve 17fps, and funnily enough, when i use fraps(the "Framerate Killer" it has no impact, but thats probably because i dont get enough framerates for it to actually do anything!
December 19, 2010 8:01:46 AM

Fraps limits your framerates per second to 30, it doesn't kill any :D 
December 20, 2010 6:11:57 AM

tigrc said:
Fraps limits your framerates per second to 30, it doesn't kill any :D 

Oh, right, well 30fps seems pretty good looking at the moment, as i only achhieve 17
December 20, 2010 6:27:29 AM

Flightsimluke said:
Yep, I use Microsoft Flight Simulator X. I make videos (Using Fraps), just play too-i want to be a pilot, lol.
With my current system (I Actually currently have the AMD Athlon X2 215, 6 days till i get the Phenom 970 :D  ) I achieve 17fps, and funnily enough, when i use fraps(the "Framerate Killer" it has no impact, but thats probably because i dont get enough framerates for it to actually do anything!


Yes, that Phenom II X4 970 BE will give you a substantial improvement over the dual core Athlon II.
I am running a Phenom II x4 955 BE at 1920 by 1080 res with sliders at high and FSX runs pretty well.
I do have a couple of other quad core FSX systems and I have a Athlon II X2 240 very low budget system that runs FSX just O.K. in lower resolutions at another location (for convenience).

Myself I am looking forward to the Sandy Bridge i7 2600K CPU next month because that will most likely be the king of FSX CPU's (above even the monster über expensive 6 core i7-980X CPU in terms of performance).
December 20, 2010 7:21:39 AM

Are you willing to pay the extra 100 dollars for a 2600k instead of 2500k? Because the main difference is HT between those two.
December 20, 2010 12:12:50 PM

tigrc said:
Are you willing to pay the extra 100 dollars for a 2600k instead of 2500k? Because the main difference is HT between those two.


Yes,I am.FSX utilizes HT and there are performance gains from it. Besides the 2600K is priced at only $317 USD which is not exorbitant like what i7-980X is priced at.
December 20, 2010 12:17:35 PM

jj463rd said:
Yes,I am.FSX utilizes HT and there are performance gains from it. Besides the 2600K is priced at only $317 USD which is not exorbitant like what i7-980X is priced at.

What's wrong with the pricing of 999$?
I think there was a deal where it was 989$ before, what a saver that was.
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December 20, 2010 12:23:46 PM

dalta centauri said:
What's wrong with the pricing of 999$?
I think there was a deal where it was 989$ before, what a saver that was.
[/sarcasm]


Well perhaps I should rethink Sandy bridge see here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/295762-28-sandy-bridg...

I was really looking forward to it however bulldozer might be my next CPU.
December 20, 2010 12:30:51 PM

jj463rd said:
Well perhaps I should rethink Sandy bridge see here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/295762-28-sandy-bridg...

I was really looking forward to it however bulldozer might be my next CPU.

The power to kill your own processor with the power of a switch, unless it explodes in a cloud of smoke I wouldn't want it either.
December 20, 2010 2:25:01 PM

You will be able to disable the Anti-theft via BIOS...

About the 2600K instead of 2500K, yeah, I guess it is worth it if money is not a problem.
December 20, 2010 6:22:44 PM

Thanks, as usual i've learnt a lot from the experts
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