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December 18, 2010 3:43:29 PM

My build list basically became a GPU question so I figured I would post here and hopefully get more answers.

Super short version: which one do you guys recommend, Sapphire 6850 for $155 or XFX 5850 for $140? I will be gaming at 1920x1080, single GPU for at least now. In the future (depending on price) I will either upgrade to a new card to go crossfire.

Longer Version:

I can either get this GPU/PSU combo where the XFX 5850 becomes $140 if you apply the combo discount to only the GPU

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Get get different parts (non-combo) in which case I could get Sapphire 6850 for $155 after all the discounts ($15 more than the 5850)


As I stated in my other thread "The part im confused about is I thought the 6850 was more of a replacement for the 5770/5830, not the 5850. This was the impression I got from Tom's while guru3D made it seem like the 6850 and 5850 are equals... "

So is the 6850 enough graphical processing power for all games at 1080 and have a better "upgrade path" than the now last-gen 5850 or does will the slight extra power from the 5850 really show through and I should jump at the $140 price?

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a c 130 U Graphics card
December 18, 2010 3:47:52 PM

If you're going crossfire, the HD6850 is your card. The scaling is much better than the HD5850, and it's only going to get better.
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December 18, 2010 7:15:39 PM

What about in single card setup? I wouldn't be doing dual for a while...
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a b U Graphics card
December 18, 2010 7:19:27 PM

Then the the 5850 is a wiser choice it has more horsepower but weaker scaling.
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December 18, 2010 7:24:32 PM

So basically it comes down to if i will crossfire or not... But what about cost-wise? The combo kit I think over all is $15 more than the non-combo kit. Is the 5850 worth $15 more or go 6850 at $15 less?
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a c 260 U Graphics card
December 18, 2010 8:07:57 PM

Don't beat youself up about this. Performance is close enough.
On principle, I would get the newer card.

Why not stretch for a 6870 and not have to worry about upgrading for 1920 x ... gaming.
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December 18, 2010 10:22:21 PM

geofelt said:
Don't beat youself up about this. Performance is close enough.
On principle, I would get the newer card.

Why not stretch for a 6870 and not have to worry about upgrading for 1920 x ... gaming.


The reason I'm obsessing over this is because I want to have this ordered before Monday. I originally wanted to get the 6870 but with the 5850 and 6850 at at $50 less then the 6870, I just don't know.

Is the 6870 really worth a $50 upgrade?
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December 18, 2010 10:25:12 PM

6870 isnt realy worth it, when you look at the price of the 5870s sitting within 10$ of it (YOu have to look for these deals, try diffrent websites)
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a b U Graphics card
December 18, 2010 10:39:59 PM

Just get the 5850 combo and be done with it.
That card can max out full HD.
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December 18, 2010 10:42:24 PM

^ The 5850 maxes out 16x10.

Doesnt even come close to touching 1080p or 1200p.

Im using my friends build, It has a 5870 and Its on my 1080p miniter, Im gettign like 25 frames/ sec playing metro 2033, and im not even at full settings.
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a c 216 U Graphics card
December 18, 2010 10:50:24 PM

builderbobftw said:
^ The 5850 maxes out 16x10.

Doesnt even come close to touching 1080p or 1200p.

Im using my friends build, It has a 5870 and Its on my 1080p miniter, Im gettign like 25 frames/ sec playing metro 2033, and im not even at full settings.


For a lot of people, like myself, 25 frames/sec is not good. I get bad simulator sickness at 25 FPS. It's kind of choppy as well.

I'd probably go with a 6950/70 if it were me at 1080p.
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December 18, 2010 10:56:30 PM

I know its not good. Thats the damn point.

The GTX 570 maxes out at 1080p (Almost, Some things in Metro dont)
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a c 130 U Graphics card
December 19, 2010 12:44:30 AM

The HD6850 and 5850 perform similarly enough to not justify anything over another based on performance. Because you've mentioned CF'ing just get the 6850.
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December 19, 2010 4:07:24 AM

no hd 5850 xfire will be better.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
December 19, 2010 4:13:18 AM

No, it isn't.
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a c 216 U Graphics card
December 19, 2010 5:03:25 AM

I know that people have talked about how great the 6000 cards crossfire, but the truth is, crossfire was great with the 5000 cards too.

The 5850/70 are very close in performance to the 6850/70, and they remain very close in crossfire: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-cross...

The best I can tell, DX11 favors the 6000 cards, and non DX11 favors the 5000 cards.
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a c 216 U Graphics card
December 19, 2010 5:22:56 AM

builderbobftw said:
I know its not good. Thats the damn point.

The GTX 570 maxes out at 1080p (Almost, Some things in Metro dont)


What you wrote was a little conflicting, or I missunderstood what you meant by "^ The 5850 maxes out 16x10."

As 16x10 is usually used to refer to a 1920x1200 monitor. It is also a 16:10 aspect ratio.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
December 19, 2010 5:40:49 AM

bystander said:
I know that people have talked about how great the 6000 cards crossfire, but the truth is, crossfire was great with the 5000 cards too.

The 5850/70 are very close in performance to the 6850/70, and they remain very close in crossfire: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-cross...

The best I can tell, DX11 favors the 6000 cards, and non DX11 favors the 5000 cards.

Quote:
[ATI] did, however, incorporate driver-based enhancements that augment CrossFire performance in the 6900 series. This seems to be reflected in the results here.

Now AMD says that the 6800s will get the CrossFire-oriented improvements in a future driver update...
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December 19, 2010 7:17:52 AM

then get single hd 5970 and solve this problem.it will do everything fine
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December 19, 2010 11:38:24 AM

bystander said:
What you wrote was a little conflicting, or I missunderstood what you meant by "^ The 5850 maxes out 16x10."

As 16x10 is usually used to refer to a 1920x1200 monitor. It is also a 16:10 aspect ratio.


No, 16x10 refers to 1680x1050 resoultion.
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a c 216 U Graphics card
December 19, 2010 4:08:06 PM

builderbobftw said:
No, 16x10 refers to 1680x1050 resoultion.


When I choose resolutions, like the Heaven Benchmark. They break it down by aspect ratio. There is a catagory for 16:9, and another for 16:10 aspect ratios. My 1920x1200 is under the 16:10 catagory. 1080 is under 16:9. And it's also true that 1680x1050 is 16x10. and 1600x900 is 16x9.

I can understand the confusion though.
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December 19, 2010 4:29:53 PM

I appreciate the help folks, but I feel like this is starting to get side tracked. So I checked out the 6870 and by rearranging some of my parts list I can add it for an additional $40 over the 5850. (Build with 6870 is $40 more than the build with the 5850). I did a quick search and didn't find a 5870 to be within $10 as someone mentioned.

I think i may just do that instead. Good choice?
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a c 216 U Graphics card
December 19, 2010 4:45:18 PM

I'd recommend the 6870 over the 5850. The 6870 compares more closely to the 5870.

For the extra $40, you get extra performance, you gain Morph AA for those games without an AA option, and it handles DX11 quite a bit better.
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December 19, 2010 5:45:07 PM

Go for the 6870 if you can swong it, BUt the 6850 seems liek a much better value.
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December 19, 2010 7:35:01 PM

So apparently I messed up on my calculations:

Sapphire 6850 - $155 (base line)
XFX 5850 kit - $170* (+$15)
XFX 6870 - $220 (+$65 or +$50 vs XFX 5850)
XFX 6870 BE - $230 (+$75 or +$60 vs XFX 5850)

So the general conclusion is, get the 6850 over the 5850 if I want to save money but if i can spend the extra $65 or $75 go 6870? Also, is the Black Edition worth the extra $10 over the non-Black Edition? I was reading the review on newegg and it seem the BE has a higher "stock" clock speed, more OC-headroom and better warranty... true?


* - Use the combo discount to bring the packaged PSU down to the Antec's cost and then used the remaining discount on the GPU.
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December 19, 2010 8:21:52 PM

Black edition is not worth the extra money. Its marketed towards the same suckers that buy those 100$ Monster HDMI cables at best buy.

Its the same card, but with a tiny wimpy oc that they do for you, and one that can be done with a total of 3 clicks in CCC by yourself.

And the 6850 is just a downlcocked 6870 with a few shaders/cores disbaled, the preformance clock for clock is very close and imo its not worth shelling out the extra for a 6870.

I think the GTX 460 would offer the value, or if you want ATI, either a 6850 or snag a nice deal on a 5850. (AMD clearing stock)
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a c 216 U Graphics card
December 19, 2010 8:38:21 PM

I'd agree, the 6850 sounds like the best offer for you.
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a b U Graphics card
December 19, 2010 8:48:53 PM

I agree with "on principal" go with the 6850 over the 5850, even though its a little weaker. The reference models can clock to 900 mhz without voltage , which is even more than some 5850's without voltage, giving it extra oomph.
Imo, the scaling is talked about as such a big plus, because the mob mentality got going on it, and its one of the high points on a 40nm refresh. Where overall gpu power has not increased that great. Nvidia has gotten cooler and more efficient etc.
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December 19, 2010 9:02:54 PM

^+1 for 6850
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December 19, 2010 10:21:53 PM

builderbobftw said:
6870 isnt realy worth it, when you look at the price of the 5870s sitting within 10$ of it (YOu have to look for these deals, try diffrent websites)



Then about about Sapphire 6850 @ $155 versus XFX 5870 @ $240? Is the performance jump significant enough to warrant the extra $85?


builderbobftw said:
Black edition is not worth the extra money. Its marketed towards the same suckers that buy those 100$ Monster HDMI cables at best buy.

I think the GTX 460 would offer the value, or if you want ATI, either a 6850 or snag a nice deal on a 5850. (AMD clearing stock)


I was under the impression the BE also had better warranty? Any merit in the reviews that said that? And I thought GTX 460<HD 6850 and they're both roughly the same price...


BTW, I really appreciate the help and patience. I'm sorry if im coming off harsh, questioning every one/thing or changing my mind a lot. I basically need to order this computer tonight/tomorrow morning in order for it to arrive on time.
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December 19, 2010 11:17:02 PM

1. The preformance gain is not that signifigant clock for clock, and IMO its worth 20$-30$.

No way its NEAR 85$.

Do yourself a favor, and buy 2 6850s. It will be the same speed as a 500$ GTX 580.

Those cards scale like a dream in Xfire.

240$ for a 6870 is luaghable, thats nealry the prcie of a 6950 wich rapes it.

2. The black editions might have a better warrenty. I wouldnt know TBH.

My XFX 5870 is NOT a black edition, and it has a double lifetime warrenty. Doesnt get much better than that.

Make sure you check the Newegg listing. If the black edition has a better warrenty and is only 10$ more, it might be worth it for you.

Personally, Ive never heard of the balck editions haveing a betterwarrenty, and my normal card hits 950/1400 on STOCK VOLTS. That is amazing, (at least to me, other people might have done better).

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a c 216 U Graphics card
December 19, 2010 11:48:13 PM

For a 1080p setup, I definately advise against going crossfire to start. You can get a single 6950/70 or 570/580 and save yourself a lot of disadvantages of crossfire and they give you an upgrade path in the future should you need one in a year or 2.
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December 19, 2010 11:51:23 PM

Not everyone wants to pay 500$ for a GTX 580 when you could get 2 460s for 300$ and have equal frames.

BUt I wouldtn go for a 6870, terrible price atm
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a c 216 U Graphics card
December 20, 2010 12:14:19 AM

I didn't say he needed a 580, I gave 4 cards, they aren't all that expensive.
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December 20, 2010 12:15:25 AM

That was an example.

Im just saying Multi GPU setups offer the best Price/Preformance around.
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a c 216 U Graphics card
December 20, 2010 1:08:53 AM

builderbobftw said:
That was an example.

Im just saying Multi GPU setups offer the best Price/Preformance around.


In optimal situations.

I play 4 games that I either get no use of SLI/CF or require me to disable it due to glitches. In those cases, I make a huge sacrafice that wouldn't be present in a more powerful single GPU setup.

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December 20, 2010 6:23:09 PM

Those 4 games:

Mindsweeper.

Wondows Xp Pinaball.

Microsoft HEarts/

Microsoft Solitare.


No modern games lack Xfire support, unless they are terbile console ports not worth playing.
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December 20, 2010 6:29:44 PM

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a c 271 U Graphics card
December 20, 2010 6:38:07 PM

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