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Can't pick between 2 GPUs

My build list basically became a GPU question so I figured I would post here and hopefully get more answers.

Super short version: which one do you guys recommend, Sapphire 6850 for $155 or XFX 5850 for $140? I will be gaming at 1920x1080, single GPU for at least now. In the future (depending on price) I will either upgrade to a new card to go crossfire.

Longer Version:

I can either get this GPU/PSU combo where the XFX 5850 becomes $140 if you apply the combo discount to only the GPU

OR

Get get different parts (non-combo) in which case I could get Sapphire 6850 for $155 after all the discounts ($15 more than the 5850)


As I stated in my other thread "The part im confused about is I thought the 6850 was more of a replacement for the 5770/5830, not the 5850. This was the impression I got from Tom's while guru3D made it seem like the 6850 and 5850 are equals... "

So is the 6850 enough graphical processing power for all games at 1080 and have a better "upgrade path" than the now last-gen 5850 or does will the slight extra power from the 5850 really show through and I should jump at the $140 price?
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  1. If you're going crossfire, the HD6850 is your card. The scaling is much better than the HD5850, and it's only going to get better.
  2. What about in single card setup? I wouldn't be doing dual for a while...
  3. Then the the 5850 is a wiser choice it has more horsepower but weaker scaling.
  4. So basically it comes down to if i will crossfire or not... But what about cost-wise? The combo kit I think over all is $15 more than the non-combo kit. Is the 5850 worth $15 more or go 6850 at $15 less?
  5. Don't beat youself up about this. Performance is close enough.
    On principle, I would get the newer card.

    Why not stretch for a 6870 and not have to worry about upgrading for 1920 x ... gaming.
  6. geofelt said:
    Don't beat youself up about this. Performance is close enough.
    On principle, I would get the newer card.

    Why not stretch for a 6870 and not have to worry about upgrading for 1920 x ... gaming.


    The reason I'm obsessing over this is because I want to have this ordered before Monday. I originally wanted to get the 6870 but with the 5850 and 6850 at at $50 less then the 6870, I just don't know.

    Is the 6870 really worth a $50 upgrade?
  7. 6870 isnt realy worth it, when you look at the price of the 5870s sitting within 10$ of it (YOu have to look for these deals, try diffrent websites)
  8. Just get the 5850 combo and be done with it.
    That card can max out full HD.
  9. ^ The 5850 maxes out 16x10.

    Doesnt even come close to touching 1080p or 1200p.

    Im using my friends build, It has a 5870 and Its on my 1080p miniter, Im gettign like 25 frames/ sec playing metro 2033, and im not even at full settings.
  10. builderbobftw said:
    ^ The 5850 maxes out 16x10.

    Doesnt even come close to touching 1080p or 1200p.

    Im using my friends build, It has a 5870 and Its on my 1080p miniter, Im gettign like 25 frames/ sec playing metro 2033, and im not even at full settings.


    For a lot of people, like myself, 25 frames/sec is not good. I get bad simulator sickness at 25 FPS. It's kind of choppy as well.

    I'd probably go with a 6950/70 if it were me at 1080p.
  11. I know its not good. Thats the damn point.

    The GTX 570 maxes out at 1080p (Almost, Some things in Metro dont)
  12. The HD6850 and 5850 perform similarly enough to not justify anything over another based on performance. Because you've mentioned CF'ing just get the 6850.
  13. no hd 5850 xfire will be better.
  14. No, it isn't.
  15. I know that people have talked about how great the 6000 cards crossfire, but the truth is, crossfire was great with the 5000 cards too.

    The 5850/70 are very close in performance to the 6850/70, and they remain very close in crossfire: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-crossfirex-review/8

    The best I can tell, DX11 favors the 6000 cards, and non DX11 favors the 5000 cards.
  16. builderbobftw said:
    I know its not good. Thats the damn point.

    The GTX 570 maxes out at 1080p (Almost, Some things in Metro dont)


    What you wrote was a little conflicting, or I missunderstood what you meant by "^ The 5850 maxes out 16x10."

    As 16x10 is usually used to refer to a 1920x1200 monitor. It is also a 16:10 aspect ratio.
  17. bystander said:
    I know that people have talked about how great the 6000 cards crossfire, but the truth is, crossfire was great with the 5000 cards too.

    The 5850/70 are very close in performance to the 6850/70, and they remain very close in crossfire: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-crossfirex-review/8

    The best I can tell, DX11 favors the 6000 cards, and non DX11 favors the 5000 cards.

    Quote:
    [ATI] did, however, incorporate driver-based enhancements that augment CrossFire performance in the 6900 series. This seems to be reflected in the results here.

    Now AMD says that the 6800s will get the CrossFire-oriented improvements in a future driver update...
  18. then get single hd 5970 and solve this problem.it will do everything fine
  19. bystander said:
    What you wrote was a little conflicting, or I missunderstood what you meant by "^ The 5850 maxes out 16x10."

    As 16x10 is usually used to refer to a 1920x1200 monitor. It is also a 16:10 aspect ratio.


    No, 16x10 refers to 1680x1050 resoultion.
  20. builderbobftw said:
    No, 16x10 refers to 1680x1050 resoultion.


    When I choose resolutions, like the Heaven Benchmark. They break it down by aspect ratio. There is a catagory for 16:9, and another for 16:10 aspect ratios. My 1920x1200 is under the 16:10 catagory. 1080 is under 16:9. And it's also true that 1680x1050 is 16x10. and 1600x900 is 16x9.

    I can understand the confusion though.
  21. I appreciate the help folks, but I feel like this is starting to get side tracked. So I checked out the 6870 and by rearranging some of my parts list I can add it for an additional $40 over the 5850. (Build with 6870 is $40 more than the build with the 5850). I did a quick search and didn't find a 5870 to be within $10 as someone mentioned.

    I think i may just do that instead. Good choice?
  22. Best answer
    I'd recommend the 6870 over the 5850. The 6870 compares more closely to the 5870.

    For the extra $40, you get extra performance, you gain Morph AA for those games without an AA option, and it handles DX11 quite a bit better.
  23. Go for the 6870 if you can swong it, BUt the 6850 seems liek a much better value.
  24. So apparently I messed up on my calculations:

    Sapphire 6850 - $155 (base line)
    XFX 5850 kit - $170* (+$15)
    XFX 6870 - $220 (+$65 or +$50 vs XFX 5850)
    XFX 6870 BE - $230 (+$75 or +$60 vs XFX 5850)

    So the general conclusion is, get the 6850 over the 5850 if I want to save money but if i can spend the extra $65 or $75 go 6870? Also, is the Black Edition worth the extra $10 over the non-Black Edition? I was reading the review on newegg and it seem the BE has a higher "stock" clock speed, more OC-headroom and better warranty... true?


    * - Use the combo discount to bring the packaged PSU down to the Antec's cost and then used the remaining discount on the GPU.
  25. Black edition is not worth the extra money. Its marketed towards the same suckers that buy those 100$ Monster HDMI cables at best buy.

    Its the same card, but with a tiny wimpy oc that they do for you, and one that can be done with a total of 3 clicks in CCC by yourself.

    And the 6850 is just a downlcocked 6870 with a few shaders/cores disbaled, the preformance clock for clock is very close and imo its not worth shelling out the extra for a 6870.

    I think the GTX 460 would offer the value, or if you want ATI, either a 6850 or snag a nice deal on a 5850. (AMD clearing stock)
  26. I'd agree, the 6850 sounds like the best offer for you.
  27. I agree with "on principal" go with the 6850 over the 5850, even though its a little weaker. The reference models can clock to 900 mhz without voltage , which is even more than some 5850's without voltage, giving it extra oomph.
    Imo, the scaling is talked about as such a big plus, because the mob mentality got going on it, and its one of the high points on a 40nm refresh. Where overall gpu power has not increased that great. Nvidia has gotten cooler and more efficient etc.
  28. ^+1 for 6850
  29. builderbobftw said:
    6870 isnt realy worth it, when you look at the price of the 5870s sitting within 10$ of it (YOu have to look for these deals, try diffrent websites)



    Then about about Sapphire 6850 @ $155 versus XFX 5870 @ $240? Is the performance jump significant enough to warrant the extra $85?


    builderbobftw said:
    Black edition is not worth the extra money. Its marketed towards the same suckers that buy those 100$ Monster HDMI cables at best buy.

    I think the GTX 460 would offer the value, or if you want ATI, either a 6850 or snag a nice deal on a 5850. (AMD clearing stock)


    I was under the impression the BE also had better warranty? Any merit in the reviews that said that? And I thought GTX 460<HD 6850 and they're both roughly the same price...


    BTW, I really appreciate the help and patience. I'm sorry if im coming off harsh, questioning every one/thing or changing my mind a lot. I basically need to order this computer tonight/tomorrow morning in order for it to arrive on time.
  30. 1. The preformance gain is not that signifigant clock for clock, and IMO its worth 20$-30$.

    No way its NEAR 85$.

    Do yourself a favor, and buy 2 6850s. It will be the same speed as a 500$ GTX 580.

    Those cards scale like a dream in Xfire.

    240$ for a 6870 is luaghable, thats nealry the prcie of a 6950 wich rapes it.

    2. The black editions might have a better warrenty. I wouldnt know TBH.

    My XFX 5870 is NOT a black edition, and it has a double lifetime warrenty. Doesnt get much better than that.

    Make sure you check the Newegg listing. If the black edition has a better warrenty and is only 10$ more, it might be worth it for you.

    Personally, Ive never heard of the balck editions haveing a betterwarrenty, and my normal card hits 950/1400 on STOCK VOLTS. That is amazing, (at least to me, other people might have done better).
  31. For a 1080p setup, I definately advise against going crossfire to start. You can get a single 6950/70 or 570/580 and save yourself a lot of disadvantages of crossfire and they give you an upgrade path in the future should you need one in a year or 2.
  32. Not everyone wants to pay 500$ for a GTX 580 when you could get 2 460s for 300$ and have equal frames.

    BUt I wouldtn go for a 6870, terrible price atm
  33. I didn't say he needed a 580, I gave 4 cards, they aren't all that expensive.
  34. That was an example.

    Im just saying Multi GPU setups offer the best Price/Preformance around.
  35. builderbobftw said:
    That was an example.

    Im just saying Multi GPU setups offer the best Price/Preformance around.


    In optimal situations.

    I play 4 games that I either get no use of SLI/CF or require me to disable it due to glitches. In those cases, I make a huge sacrafice that wouldn't be present in a more powerful single GPU setup.
  36. Those 4 games:

    Mindsweeper.

    Wondows Xp Pinaball.

    Microsoft HEarts/

    Microsoft Solitare.


    No modern games lack Xfire support, unless they are terbile console ports not worth playing.
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