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February 20, 2011 4:58:28 PM

Hi all,
After doing research on my own and getting massively confused here I am and here is what I need.

I will be doing gaming. I need a decent gaming rig and no super insane one. But I don’t want any bottle necks. Also, I want best price. for example there would be many xfire-sli ready mobos but I would want one which is cheapest among them without losing ESSENTIAL features. is it asking too much? :) 
You guys probably can figure out what can be the best depending upon requirements I lay down here and my intentions of upgrading.

-I might not want to upgrade for 2 years except throwing in an additional gpu or ram.
-budget is around 1000-1500 usd.
-I am not an over clocker at all. Don’t want to try that either. :) 
- I would be ordering all parts so if I forget to mention anything you may add it. (Like some essential fans or wires?? thermal paste???? Maybe..)


Requirements:


1. A quad core processor which is decent. I might not want a core i7 unless it gives some really good advantage. (Maybe high speed ram support?)
2. Ram has been pretty confusing for me. which one to get. I know ddr3 but ddr3 2000 MHZ 2300 MHZ? I don’t want an overkill. Something that goes nicely with the processor and the motherboard. for example if I get a processor which supports 1600MHZ ram then buying a mobo that supports more than that is no good right? So a perfect balance among ram, CPU and mobo. And also there is EEC and OC version of rams. Well you may advise on it.
I would want a 6-8 gb ram.
3. motherboard should have 2 pcix slots. In case I want to throw in another gpu for power or for physx. Physx itself is a controversial question. should have usb 3.0 support?
4. hdd 1TB should be fine.
5. Dvdrw. any would do.
6. GPU. Radeon HD6870 is my sure bet. just wondering if the mobo should support both ati and nvidia cards. (like most recent mobos do). i probably would never want to get an nvidia card unless it were for physx. i would not want such a mobo (supporting both nv and ati cards) if i knew i would never need physx.
7. PSU. well for future safety around 650 or 650+ psu would be nice in case i get 2 gpus. ?
8. Casing should look a little kool though if not much and the rest i dont know. like gpu fans, cpu fans, chasis fans. i dont know this.i mean the whole cooling thing is above my head.
9. a 23inch LED monitor with a perfectly supported resolution of 1920x1080. it may have support for larger resolutions but then on 1920x1080 it should not lose its crisp. like i had a samsung lcd which had max support of 1600x900. on some games i could not set max settings on this resolution and on lowering the resolution the crisp of the lcd would simply vanish.
Anyway the LED should be cool too. Not too much but still.. should have good reviews. i have been searching on this stuff, getting more and more confused. Samsung has good LED’s I think.
10. wireless keyboard and mouse. (are they good with games? I have been out of gaming for a while. So I don’t have much ideas)
11. A Gaming headset.
lastly, the most important thing is to get a quad core, hd 6870, atleast 1066 MHZ ram and 2 pci express slots. it can even be an LGA775 setup. i know this is entirely differnt. an LGA775 supporting mobo board might not have a usb3.0 support or more than 1600MHZ memory support and so will not support a faster processor.
And also I know the choice of getting a motherboard which is both sli and xfire ready doesnot get along with LGA775 setup then. I am happy to have a xfire setup with some LGA 775 supporting mobo and an older version of quad core but only thing is physx which worries me. It is only in case in future more and more games start using nvidia physx. Because otherwise such a mobo will bound me to get an i7 (such mobos don’t support any other generation of quadcores right?)
well. anyway. that is why i asked you to help. i am confused with this. i have been studying alot regarding all this only to get more confused.

Best Regards. :) 

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a c 250 4 Gaming
February 20, 2011 5:21:11 PM

1. Sandy bridge processor .....2500k ... wiat till April when replacement MoBos hit shlves.

2. DDR3-1600 6, 12 and 24 are the common options on 1366 ..... 4, 8, 16 on 1155

3. PCI-E at x8 x8 is required for dual GPU's .... x16 x16 allows an extra 2-4% performance but requires NF200 chip on MoBo. PhysX is controversial. It adds extra realism and detail not otherwise available. It's one of those things that ya won't miss if ya didn't experience....THG writes, once you have turned it on, as long as hardware can handle it, you're not going to turn it off. Decide for yaself by watching this:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/batman_arkham_asylu...

6. You seem to be dead set on a 6870 w/o having a real reason.

10. Been there and done that w/ the wireless ...it's a PITA (Pain in the ...er .....Anterior).

11. LGA 775 would be dismal performance compared to SB.

12. Overclocking is cake on SB processors.....can hit 4.6Ghz on standard cooler.

Case - $90 - Coolermaster HAF-922 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case Fan - Later - Antec Blue 120 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $90 - XFX Black Edition750 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
MoBo - $390 - ASUS P8P67 Pro http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...
CPU - incl. - Intel Core i5-2500K w/ above
Cooler - - Scythe SCMG 2100 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
TIM - - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
RAM - $100 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair CAS 9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $200 - Asus 6870 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Later - Same
HD - $65 - Spinpoint F3 1 TB http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
SSD - $185 - OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $23 - ASUS BR Model BC-08B1LT http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
OS - $100 Win 7 Professional http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor - $180 - ASUS VE247H 23.6" LED http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard - $65 - Logitech G110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mouse - $53 - Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $1541 going "high end" on all parts (no bargain brands) including excellent monitor and "gamers" KB and mouse. Case and PSU sized for 2nd GFX card to be added at later date. Drop the SSD if budget is an issue.

If ya want PhysX, ya can get that with a 560 Ti as your vid card choice....when an nVidia main card is used, a separate PhysX card is not required though it does boost performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you are uncomfortable overclocking, I think you will be troubled by the driver hack that is necessary to enable a nVidia card for PhysX while using an ATI main GFX card.

http://www.ngohq.com/graphic-cards/17706-hybrid-physx-m...
February 20, 2011 5:55:19 PM

Ill answer you questions first then post the build,

1. If gaming, and not doing and 3D work or Folding@Home or any CAD type work, i'd recommend and AMD build to save cash.

2. I say the CAS latency is more important (the lower the latency the better) the lowest DDR3 Latency is CAS 6.
Think of it like this youve got a thousand dollars and youre at a race track are you gonna bet your money on the guy who has 9 laps to go, or the guy who only has 6?
you can OC yourself just make sure your ram is NON-EEC unbuffered,

3. USB 3.0 is still somewhat at its infant stage, but that will probably change sometime this year, the choice is yours.

6.AMD does support Nvidia GPU's, but not in SLI (With a terribly overpriced exception) Intel does support both Crossfire in ATI cards, and SLI in Nvidia cards.

7. Recommend 750 or higher. PSU's work the best at about 50 - 60 percent of a full load.

8. Brands to stick with for cases Lian-Li, Antec, Cooler Master, NZXT, Silverstone, Thermaltake, and more. those are just a few.

9.your woes with Max settings probably came from your current GPU not the monitor.

10.Wireless are fine, but that eat up batteries. I don't recommend them



The Rig

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 922
Great cooling, hence the name HighAirFlow = HAF

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3

Mobo: ASRock 890GX Extreme3

CPU/GPU Combo: Phenom II X4/ HIS 6870

CPU Cooler: Hyper 212+
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5

RAM CAS 7: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB

PSU: XFX Black Edition 750W

Monitor: Asus VE248H Black 24" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers

Headset: Logitech G930

Keyboard: Saitek Cyborg V5

Mouse: Logitech G500

Optical Drive: ASUS 24X Burner Black

Total: $1,334.85
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a b 4 Gaming
February 20, 2011 7:43:10 PM

This build includes a Sandy Bridge 2500K cpu, 8gb of low voltage RAM, after market h/s (thermal paste included), Windows 7, o/c gtx 560, SENNHEISER headset w/7.1 USB adapter, etc...


http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/1000116#axzz1... <--- detailed and in depth review of that mother board

http://www.asrock.com/MB/download.asp?Model=P67%20Extre... <---- get the latest bios for that board here

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-sli-re... <--- review/benchmarks gtx 560 in SLI *The cards in that review are @ stock settings, unlike the cards down below in this build which are factory over clocked.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.98 FREE SHIPPING $10 off w/ promo code EMCKHJB36, ends 2/21
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.99 FREE SHIPPING
Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=P67%20Extre... $155 @ newegg
ASRock P67 Extreme4

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Price: $251.98 FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $17.99 Free shipping w/ promo code EMCKHJC29, ends 2/23
ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $249.99
GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Combo Price: $159.98 FREE SHIPPING
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $64.99 FREE SHIPPING
Logitech G110 Black USB Wired LED Backlighting Gaming Keyboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $53.99 FREE SHIPPING
Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser 5700 dpi Gaming Mouse

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.95 FREE SHIPPING $40 promotional gift card w/ purchase, ends 3/31
SENNHEISER PC161 3.5mm Connector Circumaural Headset

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $9.99
SYBA SD-CM-UAUD71 USB Sound Adapter

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $129.99 FREE SHIPPING
Acer S211HLbd 21.5'' 5ms LED-Backlight LCD Monitor Slim Design 250 cd/m2 12,000,000:1 (ACM)

Total: $1,473.81 *not including shipping, rebates, promo codes, etc..
February 21, 2011 6:51:17 AM

Thank you all. ASUS P8P67 Pro board is expensive for me. i think those features can be present in some cheaper mobo as well. i know that it is a quality mobo. well, i would like to have an asrock board but ASRock P67 Extreme4 is not available for some reason. i cant order from new egg. i live in europe.

So please do tell me some alternatives. a mobo that goes with intel corei5 2500k and usb 3.0, 2 pci express slots.

also, what better choice i have other than 6870 as a single power efficient and performance gpu in the same price range?
GTX560 ti?

theoretically 6870 is faster but 560 has more performace in benchmarks i think. but its some attachment to ati that i decided for an 6870.

or maybe is there any other better option?
February 22, 2011 4:43:08 AM

henrytowns said:
Thank you all. ASUS P8P67 Pro board is expensive for me. i think those features can be present in some cheaper mobo as well. i know that it is a quality mobo. well, i would like to have an asrock board but ASRock P67 Extreme4 is not available for some reason. i cant order from new egg. i live in europe.

So please do tell me some alternatives. a mobo that goes with intel corei5 2500k and usb 3.0, 2 pci express slots.

also, what better choice i have other than 6870 as a single power efficient and performance gpu in the same price range?
GTX560 ti?

theoretically 6870 is faster but 560 has more performace in benchmarks i think. but its some attachment to ati that i decided for an 6870.

or maybe is there any other better option?


Sandy Bridge Motherboards are currently being recalled, none of them are available atleast until april,
Only alternative I'd consider to the Beast of a motherboard that is the P8p67 Pro, would be the ASRock Extreme 4
The 560 ti is a better card it competes with the 6950 1GB, There are couple factory OC versions of the 560 Ti that are better than the GTX 570 and they are all stock prices.
If buying Radeon I'd grab a 6950 2GB and Flash the bios to a 6970 2GB and get even better performance.
February 25, 2011 6:24:49 PM

HeyImGodly said:
Sandy Bridge Motherboards are currently being recalled, none of them are available atleast until april,
Only alternative I'd consider to the Beast of a motherboard that is the P8p67 Pro, would be the ASRock Extreme 4
The 560 ti is a better card it competes with the 6950 1GB, There are couple factory OC versions of the 560 Ti that are better than the GTX 570 and they are all stock prices.
If buying Radeon I'd grab a 6950 2GB and Flash the bios to a 6970 2GB and get even better performance.


I see that AsRock Extreme 4 board is out of stock at some places or maybe most. Asus p8p67too is out of stock on newegg.
Why boards of this series are being recalled? is it ok to buy them if available? what kind of revision is expected in april?

I have purchaed all the other items and i cant build my system without a mobo! Kindly advise in this regard.
a b 4 Gaming
February 25, 2011 6:29:14 PM

henrytowns said:
I see that AsRock Extreme 4 board is out of stock at some places or maybe most. Asus p8p67too is out of stock on newegg.
Why boards of this series are being recalled? is it ok to buy them if available? what kind of revision is expected in april?

I have purchaed all the other items and i cant build my system without a mobo! Kindly advise in this regard.

They have already started shipping those boards. Look for mid to late March. All they did was redo the silicone job on those boards... quick fix. The first link will down below will show you what to look for in regards to the new chip set (B3 Stepping Chipset) on those fixed boards.


http://www.asrock.com/news/events/201102ex/warranty.htm... <----- Look for the B3 Stepping Chipset Logo/Sticker on the new boards

http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/1000116#axzz1... <---Review on that Asrock motherboard after the latest bios

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1098/pg2/asrock-e... <---Review on that Asrock motherboard after the latest bios

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4080/welcome-to-sandy-bri... <--- Review before the latest bios...and it still stomped the Asus and Gigabyte boards :) 
a b 4 Gaming
February 25, 2011 6:32:48 PM

btw all 1155 boards had that silicone problem and all were recalled.. RE: Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, MSI, Intel, Biostar, etc...
February 26, 2011 6:36:23 AM

Why_Me said:
btw all 1155 boards had that silicone problem and all were recalled.. RE: Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, MSI, Intel, Biostar, etc...


Thanks for all this valuable information. i guess i just have to wait until the boards hit the market. I cant wait to play the latest games! i have been out of gaming for 7 months and its alot!
a b 4 Gaming
February 26, 2011 6:41:49 AM

henrytowns said:
Thanks for all this valuable information. i guess i just have to wait until the boards hit the market. I cant wait to play the latest games! i have been out of gaming for 7 months and its alot!

Waite one more month tops and you will have the badest arse cpu out there. :) 

*Start with the first link and work your way down.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-990x-extrem...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i5-2500k-and-core-i7...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-rev...
February 28, 2011 4:38:00 PM

I will be waiting then. I guess my problem has been solved. thank you all and Why_Me too. :) 

maybe a mod will mark it as solved?
a b 4 Gaming
February 28, 2011 5:12:30 PM

henrytowns said:
I will be waiting then. I guess my problem has been solved. thank you all and Why_Me too. :) 

maybe a mod will mark it as solved?

The OP (you) should have the option on there to mark it as "solved", and also to choose "best answer"
March 1, 2011 4:04:42 PM

Why_Me said:
The OP (you) should have the option on there to mark it as "solved", and also to choose "best answer"


Edited: Actually this board is now available on the site where i buy from. This just came out today. This is one is good for my needs right? P8P67 PRO-M, Rev. 3.0, LGA1155, Intel P67, DDR3, mATX ? I am just going to order it!


Also i think you will have to help me with this also. i did not think i was as much blind as not to notice a close post button but really i cant! i cant see such an option. Not even to choose the best answer. And even i try to give a thumbs up, it says i already voted when i have not! Maybe i just cant see?? (i do wear glasses though) :) 
a b 4 Gaming
March 3, 2011 12:40:18 AM

henrytowns said:
Edited: Actually this board is now available on the site where i buy from. This just came out today. This is one is good for my needs right? P8P67 PRO-M, Rev. 3.0, LGA1155, Intel P67, DDR3, mATX ? I am just going to order it!


Also i think you will have to help me with this also. i did not think i was as much blind as not to notice a close post button but really i cant! i cant see such an option. Not even to choose the best answer. And even i try to give a thumbs up, it says i already voted when i have not! Maybe i just cant see?? (i do wear glasses though) :) 

http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=iT2FJPCMOGBHClu4&... <---that board has plenty of room on it for two large vid cards by the looks of it, and it has some good reviews. :) 
March 7, 2011 4:28:26 PM

I have got everything now. thanks to you all. But i could not find Super Overclocked 560 Ti from Gigabyte anywhere in Europe, which is a shame. i was dead set on it as it has 1000MHZ core clock and 4580 MHZ mem clock. But is there any other card ( a little more expensive perhaps) which could be an alternative?

Again, Physx is something i dont want to rule out altogether. So please advise me on it :) 
March 7, 2011 8:50:03 PM

i dont want to hi-jack your thread this is for both of us i guess .
my question is: how much do you think i will spend if the SB-2500k and mobo is out ? is 750$ enough ? ( without monitor , keyboard , mouse , OS , case )
a b 4 Gaming
March 7, 2011 8:53:02 PM

Since peeps been waiting this long for the top end i suggest for healthier/fatter budgets to

1. Await Z68 chipsets, Zambezi AM3+ on platform front
2. Await HD 6990/GTX 590 on the GPU front
3. Await the Sandforce SATA 6GB/s SSDs to hit retailers :p 
March 7, 2011 10:58:30 PM

batuchka said:
Since peeps been waiting this long for the top end i suggest for healthier/fatter budgets to

1. Await Z68 chipsets, Zambezi AM3+ on platform front
2. Await HD 6990/GTX 590 on the GPU front
3. Await the Sandforce SATA 6GB/s SSDs to hit retailers :p 


i guess ill stick with AMD PROCESSOR since InteL is too much , and i wont take advantage of using it i guess 955 or 965 is more than enough for gaming IMO . and ill just get a higher GPU . :D D 6870 or 560 Ti .
March 7, 2011 11:22:52 PM

henrytowns said:
I have got everything now. thanks to you all. But i could not find Super Overclocked 560 Ti from Gigabyte anywhere in Europe, which is a shame. i was dead set on it as it has 1000MHZ core clock and 4580 MHZ mem clock. But is there any other card ( a little more perhaps) which could be an alternative?

Again, Physx is something i dont want to rule out altogether. So please advise me on it :) 


haha we are on the same boat , i was dead set on 6850 or 6870 , i dont Like the 2 PCIe cord it will suck your eLectricity biLL :D D
a b 4 Gaming
March 8, 2011 12:25:14 AM

-jB said:
haha we are on the same boat , i was dead set on 6850 or 6870 , i dont Like the 2 PCIe cord it will suck your eLectricity biLL :D D

It might cost you a dollar or two more a month tops. Buying a few candy bars at the local grocery store will run you more money.
March 8, 2011 11:45:08 AM

Why_Me said:
It might cost you a dollar or two more a month tops. Buying a few candy bars at the local grocery store will run you more money.


yeah. but does this answer my original question? i could not find SOC version of 560 ti. I am being told its awaiting stock from retailers. Maybe its worth the wait. ( OC versions, however, are available, starting from 822-900 core clock and upto 4200 mem clock). But i was getting quite impatient. So i thought maybe there was some other card ( better than this of course) that i could grab. but now i think perhaps there is none out now with a decent price and relatively good performance. So i guess anticipation in agony is my partner for now.. :( 
a b 4 Gaming
March 8, 2011 1:30:59 PM

henrytowns said:
yeah. but does this answer my original question? i could not find SOC version of 560 ti. I am being told its awaiting stock from retailers. Maybe its worth the wait. ( OC versions, however, are available, starting from 822-900 core clock and upto 4200 mem clock). But i was getting quite impatient. So i thought maybe there was some other card ( better than this of course) that i could grab. but now i think perhaps there is none out now with a decent price and relatively good performance. So i guess anticipation in agony is my partner for now.. :( 

They are having issues with that SOC version. The o/c version can be had for $244.99 @ newegg, and bumped up to 950hz.
March 8, 2011 4:08:41 PM

Why_Me said:
They are having issues with that SOC version. The o/c version can be had for $244.99 @ newegg, and bumped up to 950hz.


Thanks! thats a load off! actually i never tried overclocking. but atleast i have ur advice now and i can get the OC version and if i dont find myself satiate, i will overclock it, and if not , then another GPU in sli. :) 

I dont know why i was sticking almost religiously to what you had suggested in the first post. :) 

now my quest is almost over! just waiting for the motherboard now. :) 

btw : i am getting Gigabyte GTX 560 OC Tues. with coreclock: 900MHZ, and memclock 4000MHZ. i hope it can be overclocked to something 950/4400.. :)  what do you think?


a b 4 Gaming
March 8, 2011 5:02:18 PM

henrytowns said:
Thanks! thats a load off! actually i never tried overclocking. but atleast i have ur advice now and i can get the OC version and if i dont find myself satiate, i will overclock it, and if not , then another GPU in sli. :) 

I dont know why i was sticking almost religiously to what you had suggested in the first post. :) 

now my quest is almost over! just waiting for the motherboard now. :) 

btw : i am getting Gigabyte GTX 560 OC Tues. with coreclock: 900MHZ, and memclock 4000MHZ. i hope it can be overclocked to something 950/4400.. :)  what do you think?

On the newegg reviews of that card, peeps are pushing it up to those numbers on a regular basis so you shouldn't have any problems. :) 
!