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December 19, 2010 10:28:23 PM

So I've been searching around for a entry level graphics card and found the Nvidia GT 240 (1GB DDR5) I found it was superior compared to the ATI Radeon 4670 and the DDR5 seemed like a plus. My only problem is that I have a pentium 4 3.00 GHZ HT and no I can't upgrade it due to the fact that I have a dell. The almighty company that wont let you do crap to there computers. So will it work? Even a little bottleneck is fine, I just want to be able to play mass effect 2. Currently I have a Nvidia Geforce 8400 GS wich definatly wont get my anywhere.

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December 19, 2010 10:46:41 PM

Yes but just to be sure what gen is your system Socket 478 or LGA 775? If it is the 775 and has a pci-e slot then you are ok thinking that your psu is at least a 250w and is a standard profile machine and not a low profile. I hate Dell with a passion.

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December 19, 2010 10:50:51 PM

A GT 240 DD5 should work with that system. Good luck.
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December 19, 2010 11:16:52 PM

Thanks guys and yes I do have the LGA 775 socket and my psu is a 375w so im good. But yeah I agree, if I had know all the downsides to dell I swear I would have never even looked at my current pc.
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December 19, 2010 11:42:51 PM

Now another question. What about the Ge force GTS 450? or is that too much for my cpu
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December 19, 2010 11:46:10 PM

im confused, you cant upgrade your pc due to it being dell??? never heard that one before. their computers arent any different from hp, acer or whatever. you should be able to find a better socket 775 cpu for it, would probably have to be through ebay though.
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December 20, 2010 12:04:28 AM

well, I can't upgrade to the newer core 2 duo due to restrictions they put on the motherboard. I can put pentium D in it but I heard they suck energy and put out heat like no other.
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December 20, 2010 12:33:45 AM

looserwhoboughtadellxps400 said:
So I've been searching around for a entry level graphics card and found the Nvidia GT 240 (1GB DDR5) I found it was superior compared to the ATI Radeon 4670 and the DDR5 seemed like a plus. My only problem is that I have a pentium 4 3.00 GHZ HT and no I can't upgrade it due to the fact that I have a dell. The almighty company that wont let you do crap to there computers. So will it work? Even a little bottleneck is fine, I just want to be able to play mass effect 2. Currently I have a Nvidia Geforce 8400 GS wich definatly wont get my anywhere.


just upgrade your processor for that piece of junk.....i don't think that warranty is still available.. get a nice e4700(65nm) for that old board and you're all set. plus i doubt that board would even support any newer gpu due to pcie 1.0 limit by chipset/pcie controller which only pcie 1.1 can install pcie 2.0/2.1 card.

keep in mind you'd just have to get a used 8600gts + e4700 and they will give you a boost performance but for future proof you'd have to get a new rig.
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December 20, 2010 4:29:22 AM

you could maybe put a core duo (not core2) or a pentium d dual core would be better than nothing.
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December 20, 2010 4:54:04 PM

looserwhoboughtadellxps400 said:
well, I can't upgrade to the newer core 2 duo due to restrictions they put on the motherboard. I can put pentium D in it but I heard they suck energy and put out heat like no other.


The last iterations of the Pentium D dropped power consumption dramatically, and are occasionally available on auction and surplus sites. Whether the upgrade price is worthwhile is up to you. I would do it for under $50 delivered as long as you don't lose any megahertz.

Personally I would take the GT240/DDR5 over a GTS450 due to the 25% greater memory bandwidth. This translates into higher frames per second at resolution, though you might have to turn down a little bit of eye candy versus the 450, but only a little.
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December 20, 2010 7:11:53 PM

hangfirew8 said:
The last iterations of the Pentium D dropped power consumption dramatically, and are occasionally available on auction and surplus sites. Whether the upgrade price is worthwhile is up to you. I would do it for under $50 delivered as long as you don't lose any megahertz.

Personally I would take the GT240/DDR5 over a GTS450 due to the 25% greater memory bandwidth. This translates into higher frames per second at resolution, though you might have to turn down a little bit of eye candy versus the 450, but only a little.


do you thin chipset like 915/925/945's pcie controller support pcie 1.1 and later version? obviously his 8400gs was a pcie 1.0 card and most of geforce 8 card are pcie 1.1 not to mention gt240 is a pcie 2.0 card and there no way he can get the card to run the system.




to op: the processor and graphic card you can upgrade are very limit. but even it's limited upgrade will still be much better than your current sate.

pentium d 805 $19.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Pentium-D-805-2-66-GHz-LGA-77...

6600gt $40(even though it's very old but it's still out perform 8400gs)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-6600-GT-VIDEO-CARD...

PS: i coudn't find any pcie 7600gt/gs and that card may be the only option.

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December 20, 2010 7:21:06 PM

Why go for that? $40 is a lot for a 6600gt even for the more expensive agp version. Go for at the very least a cheap 7900gs or 7800gtx for like $20-30 tops. Also go to the graphics card section and type in GT then click on auction. Once that is done type in $0 to lets say 50 in the price range box. You should get a lot of choices.
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December 20, 2010 7:59:41 PM

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do you thin chipset like 915/925/945's pcie controller support pcie 1.1 and later version? obviously his 8400gs was a pcie 1.0 card and most of geforce 8 card are pcie 1.1 not to mention gt240 is a pcie 2.0 card and there no way he can get the card to run the system.quotemsg]
a pcie 2.0 card will work in a 1.0 slot. its the 2.1 cards that can have problems with 1.x slots.
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December 20, 2010 8:34:21 PM

looserwhoboughtadellxps400 said:
So I've been searching around for a entry level graphics card and found the Nvidia GT 240 (1GB DDR5) I found it was superior compared to the ATI Radeon 4670 and the DDR5 seemed like a plus. My only problem is that I have a pentium 4 3.00 GHZ HT and no I can't upgrade it due to the fact that I have a dell. The almighty company that wont let you do crap to there computers. So will it work? Even a little bottleneck is fine, I just want to be able to play mass effect 2. Currently I have a Nvidia Geforce 8400 GS wich definatly wont get my anywhere.

I do agree that the GT 240 is really good and I recommend on buying it. I really do not suggest you buy a 8400gt they suck bad! I am getting a GT 430 for christmas and i am really happy for that. I wish you the best of luck of whatever you do. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.
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December 20, 2010 10:00:11 PM

i have a gt 240 DDR5 512MB

the box states you need a minimum of 300watts not 250w

also if your going to game might as well upgrade because a p4 will not give good results for today's high end games (unless you have a lot of ram)
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December 21, 2010 5:04:01 AM

hellninja25 said:
I do agree that the GT 240 is really good and I recommend on buying it. I really do not suggest you buy a 8400gt they suck bad! I am getting a GT 430 for christmas and i am really happy for that. I wish you the best of luck of whatever you do. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

a gt430 is slower than a gt240. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gt-430-gf10... do yourself a favour and edit your xmas request to a gt240 ar ati 5670.
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December 21, 2010 4:20:22 PM

Thanks everyone so far. By the way I have a Dell XPS 400. I guess I must have got the first shipment because on the Dell website it says the XPS 400 came with Pentium D wich I don't have. The motherboard can only support pentium D processors up to the 840 so the newer Pentium D processors aren't an option. Another crazy thing is that the computer has a 6 pin pci-e connector wich is weird as most of the graphics cards that take it wont even work with a Pentium 4. I don't think the motherboard is a 1.0 slot because people have ran ATI radeon 5770's with this motherboard and other higher end cards, the only difference was that they had a Pentium D.
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December 21, 2010 4:34:41 PM

ohh and by the way the 8400gs isn't stock. I just bought a cheap card because I wanted to run a Digital monitor on a different computer I had that was low profile. It ended up that the low profile computer was AGP only so I ended up putting it in the dell xps 400 because it had a pci-e slot. It was just temporary but ended up working.
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December 21, 2010 5:10:32 PM

looserwhoboughtadellxps400 said:
Another crazy thing is that the computer has a 6 pin pci-e connector wich is weird as most of the graphics cards that take it wont even work with a Pentium 4.

Back in the XPS 400's day there was the Geforce 6800 and 7800, and Radeon 1900, all required 6 pin power.
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December 21, 2010 5:30:06 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
a gt430 is slower than a gt240. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gt-430-gf10... do yourself a favour and edit your xmas request to a gt240 ar ati 5670.

I cannot get a GT 240 because I have a slimline PC and I need a low profile card like the GT430. Plus, the GT 430 is too faster than the 240.

GT430 specs. GT240 specs.
700mhz core clock. <- 550mhz core clock.
1400mhz processor clock. <- 1360mhz processor clock.
1800mhz memory speed. -> 2000mhz memory speed.


See the only thing faster is the memory speed, which is not a big issue if you have good RAM.
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December 21, 2010 5:53:44 PM

like many have suggested a cpu upgrade would really be in order, our family desktop has a p4 and it could run a few valve games at 60fps but that about the most optimistic situation, So get pentium D, even though they crummy by todays standers they've got alot more punch then a p4,

the 240 would be a good companion to a pentium D as well, and should work in a pci e 1 lane, which has the equivalent bandwidith of a pci-e 2 x8. Most high end card dont' need much more the x8 so the 240 will be just find in that department as well
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December 21, 2010 5:56:20 PM

There is LP GT430 cards out there and there is a GTS450 that looks like a Snickers bar.
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December 21, 2010 6:21:40 PM

Yeah, right now I'm going to get the GT 240 and see how it works. I mean if it plays the games with okayish performance I can deal with that. If it sucks I know it's because of my processor and then I'll get a pentium D. Either way a new computer will be in the near future.
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December 21, 2010 8:06:01 PM

hellninja25 said:
I cannot get a GT 240 because I have a slimline PC and I need a low profile card like the GT430. Plus, the GT 430 is too faster than the 240.

GT430 specs. GT240 specs.
700mhz core clock. <- 550mhz core clock.
1400mhz processor clock. <- 1360mhz processor clock.
1800mhz memory speed. -> 2000mhz memory speed.


See the only thing faster is the memory speed, which is not a big issue if you have good RAM.

You really have no idea do you. i feel sorry for you, you didnt even read the link i posted showing the gt430 is slower than the gt240. Clock speeds dont mean everything, if they did, a 3ghz p4 would be faster than a core i5 750 at 2.6ghz, which it is definately not. If you read the review i linked you to it shows clearly the gt430 getting 34 fps average on crysis and the gt240 getting 48 fps. In every single benchmark the gt240 is much faster. Im trying to save you from getting the most overpriced card on the market. Also the gt240 and 5670 both have slimline as per links > http://www.sparkle.com.tw/News/240_220_LP/news_GT22_GT2... http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/msi-introduces-low-p... They are both much faster than the gt430. You really need to do more research and get your head around the fact that more clock speed doesnt always = more performance
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December 21, 2010 8:28:53 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
2282772,12,491801 said:
do you thin chipset like 915/925/945's pcie controller support pcie 1.1 and later version? obviously his 8400gs was a pcie 1.0 card and most of geforce 8 card are pcie 1.1 not to mention gt240 is a pcie 2.0 card and there no way he can get the card to run the system.quotemsg]
a pcie 2.0 card will work in a 1.0 slot. its the 2.1 cards that can have problems with 1.x slots.
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not all the pcie 1.0 can be backward compatible, it's really depending on what chipset and what pcie controller. most of chipset back in time are lack some feature inside the pcie controller that's needed for later version pcie card functionality. except very few chip in pcie 1.0 era that can support later gen card. the only pcie 1.0 platform that support 2.0's is 955x and 975x and nforce 4 sli.

you can test it yourself by go buy a used 915 board(or via/sis board with pcie) from ebay and run a gt240. test it first before you start spreading false information.
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December 23, 2010 1:45:13 AM

iam2thecrowe said:
You really have no idea do you. i feel sorry for you, you didnt even read the link i posted showing the gt430 is slower than the gt240. Clock speeds dont mean everything, if they did, a 3ghz p4 would be faster than a core i5 750 at 2.6ghz, which it is definately not. If you read the review i linked you to it shows clearly the gt430 getting 34 fps average on crysis and the gt240 getting 48 fps. In every single benchmark the gt240 is much faster. Im trying to save you from getting the most overpriced card on the market. Also the gt240 and 5670 both have slimline as per links > http://www.sparkle.com.tw/News/240_220_LP/news_GT22_GT2... http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/msi-introduces-low-p... They are both much faster than the gt430. You really need to do more research and get your head around the fact that more clock speed doesnt always = more performance

My apologies man. I already got the gt430 and used it today so I can't return it. I might get it next year though. Thanks for the info. I am also really happy with it. I am running L4D2 with High Quality and 1280x960 resolution with 40+ fps average. I am really happy with it.
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December 23, 2010 2:57:48 PM

hellninja25 said:
My apologies man. I already got the gt430 and used it today so I can't return it. I might get it next year though. Thanks for the info. I am also really happy with it. I am running L4D2 with High Quality and 1280x960 resolution with 40+ fps average. I am really happy with it.


With my current 8400 GS overclocked I can max out left for dead 2 also. So to be honest that really isn't too impressive if the GT 430 performs under mine.
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December 23, 2010 3:32:03 PM

looserwhoboughtadellxps400 said:
With my current 8400 GS overclocked I can max out left for dead 2 also. So to be honest that really isn't too impressive if the GT 430 performs under mine.


how "high" can you clock? to running l4d2 on such card you'd have to oc extremely....

flash the bios with this seting :1300mhz core/3380mhz shader/1100mhz ram(2200mhz ddr), core volt at 1.9v and ram TRC go up to the max of 64, plus pencil mod the pcb + additional mortex 4 pin for external power. also consider get your self a better cooler as well.

result: 30fps at 1024x768 with max detail + 8aa/4msaa
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December 23, 2010 3:44:56 PM

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how "high" can you clock? to running l4d2 on such card you'd have to oc extremely....

flash the bios with this seting :1300mhz core/3380mhz shader/1100mhz ram(2200mhz ddr), core volt at 1.9v and ram TRC go up to the max of 64, plus pencil mod the pcb + additional mortex 4 pin for external power. also consider get your self a better cooler as well.

result: 30fps at 1024x768 with max detail + 8aa/4msaa


I have my graphics core clock at 675MHZ, 1348 shader, 505 Memory clock. Which doesn't beat newer cards but hell for a Nvidia 8400GS It's doing work and it only has 256MB DDR2. On left for dead 2 I don't have AA and MSAA on though.
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December 24, 2010 7:18:01 AM

looserwhoboughtadellxps400 said:
I have my graphics core clock at 675MHZ, 1348 shader, 505 Memory clock. Which doesn't beat newer cards but hell for a Nvidia 8400GS It's doing work and it only has 256MB DDR2. On left for dead 2 I don't have AA and MSAA on though.



i assume that you were using riva tuner for overclocking am i right? riva tunr isn't good enough for extreme overclock. you'd have to do voltage pencil tweak on psb board and flash bios (voltage, clock, ram latency, fan speed..etc) as well. go download nibitor and nvflash in your bootable usb and boot with it.

here's the tutorial about flash graphic card bios

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOAjOAmA-rk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyBqYPTHVQw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk0_hoL9dqU

nibitor tutorial

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=314493

pencil mod tutorial

http://forum.overclock3d.net/index.php?/topic/1679-guid...





it doesn't really matter if you're having ddr2 ram.. because there aint much of different between ddr2 and gddr3 and you can tweak its tRS latency and make it a "fake" gddr3. but be sure your vram IS "DDR2" not "GDDR2" because "GDDR2" is associated to original DDR ram and not capable to rise clock over 400mhz.

as you were running l4d2 the only thing really matter is core clock/shader clock and overall bandwidth(ram clock x bit width). your shader clock is only having multiplier of 2x core clock which you have to clock up insanely to reach the required shader clock speed which software overclock will result damaging your gpu life span as you did have required voltage for gpu at that clock speed.
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December 24, 2010 12:13:02 PM

okay, and yeah I am using rivatuner, I will try what your telling me just for the heck of it, It's worth a try
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