I'm thinking of upgrading my rig a little to 'futureproof' it for the likes of BF3, possibly the new MW3 and other games like SW:TOR etc. Right now I'm running an E8500 at stock, P5Q Pro Mobo, 4GB HyperX 1066Mhz RAM and a 1GB Palit 4870 Sonic Edition.
I can sell these parts to a friend and replace them with an i5 2500k, P8P67 Pro Mobo, 8GB G.skill 1600Mhz RAM and one of a few cards (1.5GB GTX 480 OC, 2GB 6950 Twin Frozr III, possibly 2 x 1GB 6870 or 1GB 560 Ti Twin Frozr II OC) - all for the rough estimated spend on top of ~£200.
I need some help & advice. Is this a worthy upgrade as a whole, just in parts or not at all?
Oop, my bad, sorry dude! Right now I play Battlefield Bad Company 2, CoD: Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, Crysis Warhead, Crysis Wars, Crysis 2, Company of Heroes and a few others RTS games like Men of War: Assault Squad and a little StarCraft II. Trying to play Brink but I've all but given up on that.
And for the future I'll be looking to play most of the flagship FPS and RTS games such as Battlefield 3, Modern Warfare 3, Diablo III, Star Wars: The Old Republic etc, possibly Duke Nukem Forever etc.
IMO it would be a huge upgrade, I upgraded from a C2d @ 3ghz to the 2500k and my fps in BC2 multiplayer went from 20-40fps to 90-150 fps and I'm sure Battlefield 3 will likely run better on a quad core.
Thanks for the input, malmental. That was along the lines of what I was thinking about because of getting a higher res screen. Am I right in thinking it's a lot more about the graphics card then it is about the CPU, in terms of gaming performance, once you have a dedicated graphics card and CPU?
The only thing that would perhaps force my hand to upgrade now would be the trade off of my current rigs' sell-on price now compared to what it will be worth once Ivy Bridge comes out scaled against the projected performance difference between Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge.
I see your point there, about the prices of E8500. I too have noticed they haven't shifted much recently.
When you say 6 months ago you would have said yes, do you say that because in effect 6 months ago Sandy Bridge was brand new and worth the upgrade, where as now it's almost in the middle of the cycle as the 'top end' CPU?
Lastly, only going on what we've agreed on here but why should I have reason to not upgrade now to a better processor if the i5 2500k is likely to last me for a few years given that GPU is the more decisive factor in gaming?
I went from an E8400 @ 3.6ghz and a pair of 8800GT's to a 2600K and a pair of GTX560's and I can say with hand on heart that it truly is an upgrade and if you can't notice the difference then you are probably dead and someone forgot to bury you.
I'm letting my C2Q hold me off til Ivybridge. I get full frames out of my 6970 so far, plenty for any game to this point.
BF3 scares me though!
Anyone with a Core2 upgrade their GPU before their CPU? I did and I'm still getting pretty good performance. Once you get a good ways above 3ghz you can take on any single GPU setup out there from what I've seen.
Lets not forget Core2 is still faster than Phenom II clock4clock.
Somebody posted some SuperPi results from their OC'd 2500k and I compared them to my E8500 at 3.8GHz. The 2500k was double the speed of my cpu, for a single-threaded app. Toms tests in the past have shown that some games make use of more than 2 cores, some don't. Your games can benefit from the faster cpu, and some can benefit from more cores.
I've always read that once you get to his level of cpu power the cpu doesn't matter so much, you have to focus on your gpu system. I don't know how to justify the expense of the new motherboard and cpu, but it definitely is a lot faster than the e8500.
Actually a faster CPU will help no matter what, even if there is a GPU bottleneck. It may be small, but the less latency there is the less the GPU is waiting for info to process. A 2500k will boost your performance noticeably even with the same 4870 in your system.
Now with a card with 2X the speed of the 4870, you should definitely see more than 2X the performance. It'll probably be around 2.5-3x the FPS.
The E8500 is still a decent cpu and is a good proc for the 4870, so it wouldn't be too bad to keep it. But since you can sell off the system and get a newer 2500k and video card, both being more power efficient for the frames, it might just be worth it at this time. And do not buy a 400 series card unless it's the GTX 460 1GB, all others are terrible!!! I would get the 6950 just for the 2GB of memory.
There's only one problem. In supposedly a month AMD should be releasing Bulldozer; I would regret buying a system and then one month later having a better processor come out for the price. I kinda regret buying this i7 when they were switching over to D0 stepping processors; I lost out on a much better proc.
Interesting, I'd not given AMD a look in seeing as I haven't been keeping up with the CPU scene recently.
Haserath, my problem is this - my current situation seems to favour the upgrade now, but wouldn't the new AMD motherboards and chips still cost £20+ more than the i5 2500k & P8P67 counterparts I could get at £279? Cost is a big thing to me and if the performance increase is strictly relative to the price then I'd definitely rather stick to Intel here. I guess the only issue there is that the AMD chips may drive down the price of the Intel chips significantly, but I've not really seen that before?
Another thing I'd noticed before was that AMD chips don't really like being overclocked as heavily as Intel's. I mean I doubt we can speak for AMD's latest chips but just going on previous... But in terms of boosting performance per price, and my current situation, would you still not say I'm in a position to upgrade now?
The thing I have to remember is that this system is only going to be for gaming and watching the occasional HD movie (along with general tasking), and that my budget is my budget.
Yeah. Unless Bulldozer is a monster, Intel will keep their prices where they are for the most part. It probably won't change much with the release on price/performance, but AMD might have a high clocking arch because that is what they focused on. They also have HKMG this time around which should help leakage thus clocking higher.
Since it's favorable to upgrade now, you might as well just go for a 2500k and OC it up to 4.5-5ghz. I just want to make sure you know what's going on in the cpu world before you do.