PCMCIA Card problem

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I have a question about PCMCIA card. Can I pull out the card when the
notebook is still on just like USB slot? if I did that for several times,
will it damage the mother board or card? Thanks for your help!
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  1. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Joe Kwan wrote:
    > I have a question about PCMCIA card. Can I pull out the card when the

    > notebook is still on just like USB slot? if I did that for several
    times,
    > will it damage the mother board or card? Thanks for your help!

    Hello Joe
    Yes, you can Hot Swap a pcmcia card, but windows may give you a
    disconnected device warning window. I have several laptops and many
    different peripherals that connect using pcmcia and I have never had a
    problem.
    However, I have never had external RAM on a card so I cannot speak to
    how this would behave. I also have not used the pcmcia adaptor that
    converts to USB ports, so I also do not know how this would behave.
    Even though you may have, at worst case, a system crash there should be
    no hardware damage.
    signed Ed
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    I do it quite often, unplug a USB 2 card and plug in a wireless card. I
    haven't had any problems. Just so I wouldn't steer you wrong I did a search
    and found info which confirms the hot-swapabilty of PCMCIA cards.

    http://www.quatech.com/support/comm-over-pcmcia.php


    "Joe Kwan" <airjoe@netvigator.com> wrote in message
    news:d1uki0$st22@imsp212.netvigator.com...
    > I have a question about PCMCIA card. Can I pull out the card when the
    > notebook is still on just like USB slot? if I did that for several times,
    > will it damage the mother board or card? Thanks for your help!
    >
    >
  3. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    I must be doing something wrong also... when I stop my PC Card nic, I
    can't re-insert it and have it start again -- you know, pick up an IP
    address via DHCP again. Using Win XP Pro SP2.
  4. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    First, the correct terminology is "PC Card", not "PCMCIA Card".

    Second, you are supposed to "stop" the card (which turns off power,
    among other things) before you pull it out. You generally can get away
    with just pulling it out, but not always, and it's not a recommended
    practice. There should be an icon in the system tray to allow you to
    "stop" the card. The pins on the connector are different lengths, so
    ground connects first and disconnects last, then power, then signal.


    Box134 wrote:

    > I do it quite often, unplug a USB 2 card and plug in a wireless card. I
    > haven't had any problems. Just so I wouldn't steer you wrong I did a search
    > and found info which confirms the hot-swapabilty of PCMCIA cards.
    >
    > http://www.quatech.com/support/comm-over-pcmcia.php
    >
    >
    > "Joe Kwan" <airjoe@netvigator.com> wrote in message
    > news:d1uki0$st22@imsp212.netvigator.com...
    >
    >>I have a question about PCMCIA card. Can I pull out the card when the
    >>notebook is still on just like USB slot? if I did that for several times,
    >>will it damage the mother board or card? Thanks for your help!
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >
  5. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    From the web site I quoted:

    "Card & Socket Services

    Functionally, a PCMCIA card can perform any memory or I/O operation so long
    as it adheres to the PCMCIA interface structure. As shown in the figure
    below, PCMCIA is a tiered system which uses a set of device independent
    drivers to integrate any type of PCMCIA card into the host system. Socket
    Services, the lowest tier in the architecture, provides a universal software
    interface for the PCMCIA sockets themselves."

    Guess you should let them know they're wrong. As for "stopping" the card, I
    guess that's fine, but I wonder what "hot swapable" means if you have to
    "stop" it?


    "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:4248AA4C.1050105@neo.rr.com...
    > First, the correct terminology is "PC Card", not "PCMCIA Card".
    >
    > Second, you are supposed to "stop" the card (which turns off power, among
    > other things) before you pull it out. You generally can get away with
    > just pulling it out, but not always, and it's not a recommended practice.
    > There should be an icon in the system tray to allow you to "stop" the
    > card. The pins on the connector are different lengths, so ground connects
    > first and disconnects last, then power, then signal.
    >
    >
  6. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    They are wrong as to correct current useage, but anything written about
    "card and socket services" was probably written more than a decade ago
    and most likley simply hasn't been revised, since "card and socket
    services" became unnecessary and essentially were frozen in 1995 (with
    the introduction of Windows 95). The change in the name of the cards
    from "PCMCIA Cards" to "PC Cards" was made by PCMCIA (the ORGANIZATION
    that sets the standard) sometime in the mid-1990's.


    Box134 wrote:
    > From the web site I quoted:
    >
    > "Card & Socket Services
    >
    > Functionally, a PCMCIA card can perform any memory or I/O operation so long
    > as it adheres to the PCMCIA interface structure. As shown in the figure
    > below, PCMCIA is a tiered system which uses a set of device independent
    > drivers to integrate any type of PCMCIA card into the host system. Socket
    > Services, the lowest tier in the architecture, provides a universal software
    > interface for the PCMCIA sockets themselves."
    >
    > Guess you should let them know they're wrong. As for "stopping" the card, I
    > guess that's fine, but I wonder what "hot swapable" means if you have to
    > "stop" it?
    >
    >
    > "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:4248AA4C.1050105@neo.rr.com...
    >
    >>First, the correct terminology is "PC Card", not "PCMCIA Card".
    >>
    >>Second, you are supposed to "stop" the card (which turns off power, among
    >>other things) before you pull it out. You generally can get away with
    >>just pulling it out, but not always, and it's not a recommended practice.
    >>There should be an icon in the system tray to allow you to "stop" the
    >>card. The pins on the connector are different lengths, so ground connects
    >>first and disconnects last, then power, then signal.
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >
  7. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    Yes, looking through their web site confirms you are correct in calling then
    "PC Cards."

    "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:4249A756.2010408@neo.rr.com...
    > The change in the name of the cards
    > from "PCMCIA Cards" to "PC Cards" was made by PCMCIA (the ORGANIZATION
    > that sets the standard) sometime in the mid-1990's.
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    Which is really insane when you think about it. Since PC Card is a
    generic term can mean any card that plugs into a personal computer. And
    it is also often used for PCI cards as well. So nobody has no idea what
    in the world you are talking about when you say "PC Card"! At least when
    they say PCMCIA, you know exactly what they are talking about!


    Cheers!


    ___________________________________________
    Bill (using a HP AMD 1.2GHZ & Windows 2000)
    -- written and edited within Word 2000


    "Box134" <box134@wooky.invalid> wrote in message
    news:dPi2e.1021$Mj.10432@news1.mts.net...
    Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:23:38 -0600

    Yes, looking through their web site confirms you are correct in
    calling then "PC Cards."

    "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:4249A756.2010408@neo.rr.com...
    Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:02:12 GMT

    > The change in the name of the cards
    > from "PCMCIA Cards" to "PC Cards" was made by PCMCIA (the ORGANIZATION
    > that sets the standard) sometime in the mid-1990's.
  9. Archived from groups: comp.sys.laptops (More info?)

    "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
    >Which is really insane when you think about it. Since PC Card is a
    >generic term can mean any card that plugs into a personal computer.

    Or, we could set the way-back machine to a time when it mean Printed
    Circuit, and had nothing to do with computers. If the PCMCIA folks
    (*) want to convince everyone it means PCMCIA card most folks will
    pick it up from context...

    * We all know that means People Can't Memorize Computer Industry
    Acronyms, right? 8*)
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    yes, well if you think that "PC Card" is inane becuase it could mean
    anything, consider what "PCMCIA" actually means:

    Personal Computer Memory Card Industry Association

    Now some history here is relevant: When the cards and the industry were
    first created, they were memory cards, and they were not accessories
    like "compact flash", they were the MAIN memory (RAM) of many notebooks.
    Those notebooks had no other memory -- the "PCMCIA" memory card was
    IT. That was about 1989 to 1992.

    By 1995, NO ONE was using these cards for memory any longer, although
    they were (and are) used for everything else (modem, LAN, SCSI, CD-ROM,
    serial and parallel port, scanners .... you name it, everything EXCEPT
    memory).

    So about a full decade ago, sometime in the mid-1990's, the organization
    (which owns the standards and trademarks and has a legal right to
    determine "correct" useage) changed the name from "PCMCIA Cards" to "PC
    Cards".

    However, a full decade later, many people are still calling them "PCMCIA
    cards", even though they are not memory cards in any sense of the word.


    BillW50 wrote:
    > Which is really insane when you think about it. Since PC Card is a
    > generic term can mean any card that plugs into a personal computer. And
    > it is also often used for PCI cards as well. So nobody has no idea what
    > in the world you are talking about when you say "PC Card"! At least when
    > they say PCMCIA, you know exactly what they are talking about!
    >
    >
    > Cheers!
    > ___________________________________________
    > Bill (using a HP AMD 1.2GHZ & Windows 2000)
    > -- written and edited within Word 2000

    >
    > "Box134" <box134@wooky.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:dPi2e.1021$Mj.10432@news1.mts.net...
    > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:23:38 -0600
    >
    > Yes, looking through their web site confirms you are correct in
    > calling then "PC Cards."
    >
    > "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    > news:4249A756.2010408@neo.rr.com...
    > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:02:12 GMT
    >
    >
    >>The change in the name of the cards
    >>from "PCMCIA Cards" to "PC Cards" was made by PCMCIA (the ORGANIZATION
    >>that sets the standard) sometime in the mid-1990's.
    >
    >
    >
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    Personal Computer Miniature Card Interface Adapter

    "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:424A2CCA.4020005@neo.rr.com...
    > yes, well if you think that "PC Card" is inane becuase it could mean
    > anything, consider what "PCMCIA" actually means:
    >
    > Personal Computer Memory Card Industry Association
    >
    > Now some history here is relevant: When the cards and the industry were
    > first created, they were memory cards, and they were not accessories
    > like "compact flash", they were the MAIN memory (RAM) of many notebooks.
    > Those notebooks had no other memory -- the "PCMCIA" memory card was
    > IT. That was about 1989 to 1992.
    >
    > By 1995, NO ONE was using these cards for memory any longer, although
    > they were (and are) used for everything else (modem, LAN, SCSI, CD-ROM,
    > serial and parallel port, scanners .... you name it, everything EXCEPT
    > memory).
    >
    > So about a full decade ago, sometime in the mid-1990's, the organization
    > (which owns the standards and trademarks and has a legal right to
    > determine "correct" useage) changed the name from "PCMCIA Cards" to "PC
    > Cards".
    >
    > However, a full decade later, many people are still calling them "PCMCIA
    > cards", even though they are not memory cards in any sense of the word.
    >
    >
    > BillW50 wrote:
    > > Which is really insane when you think about it. Since PC Card is a
    > > generic term can mean any card that plugs into a personal computer. And
    > > it is also often used for PCI cards as well. So nobody has no idea what
    > > in the world you are talking about when you say "PC Card"! At least when
    > > they say PCMCIA, you know exactly what they are talking about!
    > >
    > >
    > > Cheers!
    > > ___________________________________________
    > > Bill (using a HP AMD 1.2GHZ & Windows 2000)
    > > -- written and edited within Word 2000
    >
    > >
    > > "Box134" <box134@wooky.invalid> wrote in message
    > > news:dPi2e.1021$Mj.10432@news1.mts.net...
    > > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:23:38 -0600
    > >
    > > Yes, looking through their web site confirms you are correct in
    > > calling then "PC Cards."
    > >
    > > "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    > > news:4249A756.2010408@neo.rr.com...
    > > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:02:12 GMT
    > >
    > >
    > >>The change in the name of the cards
    > >>from "PCMCIA Cards" to "PC Cards" was made by PCMCIA (the ORGANIZATION
    > >>that sets the standard) sometime in the mid-1990's.
    > >
    > >
    > >
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    "Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    news:424A2CCA.4020005@neo.rr.com...
    Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:27:08 GMT

    yes, well if you think that "PC Card" is inane becuase it could
    mean anything, consider what "PCMCIA" actually means:

    Personal Computer Memory Card Industry Association

    Think about such words like a driveway is something that you park on.
    But a parkway is something that you drive on. There are tons of other
    such phrases/words.

    Now some history here is relevant: When the cards and the industry
    were first created, they were memory cards, and they were not
    accessories like "compact flash", they were the MAIN memory (RAM)
    of many notebooks. Those notebooks had no other memory -- the
    "PCMCIA" memory card was IT. That was about 1989 to 1992.

    I have no problem with this at all. Although my '94 era Toshiba T1950CS
    uses a memory card slot (only useful for memory cards) and also has
    PCMCIA slots (which you call PC Cards).

    By 1995, NO ONE was using these cards for memory any longer,
    although they were (and are) used for everything else (modem, LAN,
    SCSI, CD-ROM, serial and parallel port, scanners .... you name it,
    everything EXCEPT memory).

    Even so, PC Cards is a terrible label and true experts have no idea what
    you are talking about with newbies being included.

    So about a full decade ago, sometime in the mid-1990's, the
    organization (which owns the standards and trademarks and has a
    legal right to determine "correct" useage) changed the name from
    "PCMCIA Cards" to "PC Cards".

    I realize those who are picky about language, may feel their ideas are
    the best! But throughout history the most important thing aside from
    some basic rules and such is to be understood. And those who speak as to
    be understood always win anyway. Regardless of those whom believe they
    know better!

    However, a full decade later, many people are still calling them
    "PCMCIA cards", even though they are not memory cards in any sense
    of the word.

    That's nothing in time! It's been about 500 years now when we knew that
    the sun stays put and the Earth rotates to give us the illusion that the
    sun sets and rises. But the terminology has never been change. But
    *everyone* knows exactly what they are talking about anyway. And that's
    the most important thing of all!

    Now as for the label as "PC Card", it is just too generic! And it is a
    meaningless phrase! As it doesn't tell anybody anything! If they used
    something like "Portable PC Card" or Laptop/Notebook PC Card or
    something. That would have been unique. But calling it just a "PC Card"
    was merely wishful thinking that will never past the test of time.


    Cheers!


    ___________________________________________
    Bill (using a HP AMD 1.2GHZ & Windows 2000)
    -- written and edited within Word 2000
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