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December 21, 2010 9:54:56 PM

hey everyone im thinking about getting a better gpu, i currently have the xfx 4850 1gb and a phenome 2 x2 550 BE cpu overclocked at 3.82ghz.

im looking at the xfx 5770 gpu http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

what do you all think and would it be a noticeable difference ?

oh and my psu is a 550 corsair

thanks


a c 214 U Graphics card
December 21, 2010 9:56:45 PM

How much is your budget and what types of games are you looking to play?
I don't think you would see much of a difference,the 4870 and the 5770 are equal in performance,the 5770 just has newer RAM and DX11.
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a b U Graphics card
December 21, 2010 9:59:35 PM

No, do not get that. Get something like a HD6850 or a gtx460 1gb.
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a b U Graphics card
December 21, 2010 10:02:21 PM

purple stank said:
As you can see here, it isn't as much of a leap from a 4850 to a 5770 and it's not worth spendind the money on.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9vgJ1nwu_xA/TJizy3WvK3I/AAAAA...


Hostile Donut is right if it's in your price range go for a 6850

Which is better the hd6850 or a gtx460?
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 21, 2010 11:00:14 PM

I would have said the 6850 is the fastest but when the 460 is O.C. it will beat it.
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December 22, 2010 12:16:46 AM

ah ok so the 6850 would be the way to go huh well looks like i gotta save up a lil more and thanks guys also is it okay to mix amd with nvidia ? i read some where before that its better to keep amd with ati and intel with nvidia. Oh never mind i just realized if i do get nvidia i cant sli them cuz i got crossfire. Well then ima go with the 6850. well my budget is around 200 tops and the games i play are left 4 dead, some older games but i want to get battlefield and crysis 2, currently im playing starcraft 2 the card works fine but i thought i might upgrade it cuz my friend wants me to built a computer for him and he is tight on budget so i would just give him my card.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 22, 2010 12:30:27 AM

why don't you just buy another 4850 or a 4890 if you have crossfire?The 4850 crossfire will beat a 6850 if you wanted the card now,or you could just get the 6850 and crossfire with that in the future.
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a b U Graphics card
December 22, 2010 1:49:47 AM

Why don't you get a GTX460 1gb? Somebody said it was better than the hd6850.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 22, 2010 2:16:55 AM

If money is an issue you could buy a 4850 or 4890 and crossfire which is equal to if not better than a 6850 or 460.

If money is not an issue buy a 6850 so that in the future you could buy another 6850 and crossfire with that which would be the best option to go for.
When Crysis 2 comes out,my guess is by then you will have enough money,buy another 6850 and crossfire and everything will look superb.
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December 25, 2010 7:00:03 PM

yup thats what im thinking as well get a 6850 and later crossfire them well heres the 2 i like

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

i like xfx as i had good experience and i also believe they have double life time warranty and as you can see the sapphire card is couple dollars less after rebate.

which one would you guys go for as i would like to try out a different brand just cuz im open to anything but i want to here your opinions

thanks
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 25, 2010 11:41:44 PM

If your into overclocking get the Asus or MSI version with DirectCU.Allows for voltage tweaking and their cards come with great software.Only downside is they are around $200 or more.Otherwise i would choose the XFX for the warranty.
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December 26, 2010 2:04:03 AM

oh wow i never knew that thanks learned something new, i just looked at the asus 6850 and its 209 not to bad, i just read some reviews and it says the asus software and drivers are terrible better go for msi i guess
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December 27, 2010 3:34:37 PM

Well im in a lil bit of a pickle as i went to micro center and frys yesterday and all the 6850 are around 220 plus, i have not gone to tigerdirect yet but i also dont know if i wana buy it from them as i had bad experience with their products before.

and i looked at microcenters hot ad deals and they have a 768mb gtx460 for 209 n after rebate 180 but with tax either way it comes up to be 196 is that a good deal
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 27, 2010 5:54:44 PM

No,it's not a good deal.Don't go looking at graphics cards at dempartment stores.Only good deals you will find their are good deals on TV's.

Newegg.com is the best place to buy graphics cards,the 768mb version of the 460 is going for as low as $120 after rebate on newegg.

What is your price range?
6850's are selling as low as $170 after rebate.And 6870's are selling for $230 and $200 after reabate.Go check out newegg you might find something you like...
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December 27, 2010 8:41:38 PM

Well then i might have to give tiger direct another try as they have very good prices, and i have a few more questions

first of forget the nvidia gtx card as i want to crossfire later on so thats out

next i looked at the hd6850 and the hd5850 and i see that the 5850 is a very good card so would it be worth getting the 5850 over the 6850 as the price is the same its 180 after rebate.

what you guys think
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 27, 2010 10:18:39 PM

Here's another thread realating to the same question about 6850 vs 5850...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/305612-33-5850s-6850s

So i would say to go with a 6850 if you are planning to crossfire.The 5850 will outperform the 6850 if each are single card but when each the 5850/6850 are CF the 6850 outperforms the 5850.Also the 6850 CF use's a lot less power than the 5850's so you could actually not have to upgrade your psu in order to crossfire 6850 later when u do.
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December 28, 2010 12:49:58 AM

ah i see thanks for the help man will check that thread out
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a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2010 1:27:00 AM

6850s in crossfire would be great but 6870s in crossfire would be even nicer for not too much more money and you would have slightly more acceptable performance now in high res scenarios with one card... if you can get it cheap, go for a 6870 and if not the 6850 will suit you just fine. The gtx 460 1 gig is also an excellent choice but I would go with the 6850 for its low power consumption
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December 28, 2010 2:21:50 PM

k thanks guys, and yeah ima be gaming on a 23in 1920x1080 res, and i got a question as well can you crossfire 2 different cards like a 6850 with 6870 ? i think you can just the 6870 will work at the speed of the 6850 right?

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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 28, 2010 6:22:47 PM

Yes that is correct you can crossfire cards from the same series.
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a b U Graphics card
December 28, 2010 9:43:42 PM

huntsman said:
k thanks guys, and yeah ima be gaming on a 23in 1920x1080 res, and i got a question as well can you crossfire 2 different cards like a 6850 with 6870 ? i think you can just the 6870 will work at the speed of the 6850 right?


yes to reiterate, the 6850 will crossfire with the 6870 and vice versa but probly best to get 2 matching cards
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December 29, 2010 4:30:50 AM

ok cool now i havent looked yet but can you still get a 4850 and if you can would it be worth to have 2 of those ? how would they perform ? Just wondering thought i would ask, i will research it myself but since im here i wanted to ask. Since i already have a 4850 maybe i could get another one and crossfire them
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 4:39:54 AM

Yes 4850x2 would be equivlent to a 5850 i think.About the same as the 6850 maybe a little better.But you are loosing DX11 if you go for the 4850's.I seen them on newegg and their going for around $100 with rebates going down to around $70-$80.

Btw don't get anything higher than a 4850 like the 4870/4890 because they will just be underclocked to meet the 4850 and thats a waste of money.I would still go with the 6850,the 4850 crossfire is a cheap soultion but you will eventually have to buy a newer/faster card some day.Unless you have a quad PCI-Expressx16 2.0 mobo.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

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December 29, 2010 7:36:08 PM

lol i do not have a quad pci express mobo wish i did, but any way thanks for the tip and ima have to think about it now. I looked around but didint really find any benchmarks about the 4850cf vs 6850, might have to find a benchmark for 4850 cf and a benchmark for 6850 and then compare the two.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 7:54:58 PM

Try looking for a benchmark of the 4850cf vs 5850/5830.The 4850 is a old card so they don't have any comparisons of the new 68xx series.I tryed looking myself and i couldn't find any either.Turns out that the 4850cf is the equvilent to a 5850 and the 6850 is equvilent to a 5850.
I'm still going to stand behind my reccomendation that you get the 6850.The 6850 is a brand new card and theirs more potentional for it than the 4850.
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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 8:26:40 PM

get a 6850 hands down: you will have higher minimum fps, less heat,less power sonsumption and when oc'ed can surpass 4850 cf or a 5850 easily
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 8:52:19 PM

Dunno about heat but it's defently a better card.Doesn't seem logical to waste money on another 4850 when your gonna have to throw them both away in about a year.
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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:27:33 PM

yeah agreed go for a 6850, and if you can afford another 30-40 bucks get the 6870, there are some good deals on 'egg before and after mail-in rebate:

6870s

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6850s

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

there are several others in that general price range those are just a few I picked out. Buy it up :) 

I have the XFX 6870 in my rig and I am very pleased, my sample overclocked to 980 core and 1150 mem without a voltage increase, (haven't tried pushing it further) which easily puts it at or above the 5870, they also scale well in x fire as does the 6850, better than the five series making either one a great choice imo.
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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:30:19 PM

purple stank said:
Dunno about heat but it's defently a better card.Doesn't seem logical to waste money on another 4850 when your gonna have to throw them both away in about a year.



6850 should draw significantly less power and create less heat than a 5850, but the differences may be hard to quantify although the 6850 only requires 1 6 pin pci-express whereas the 5850/6870 require 2 6 pins so obviously the power draw is more.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:34:06 PM

Make sure you read the reviews their always helpful in selecting the right card.

Out of the 6870 and 6850 i would choose the XFX 6870 for the Lifetime Warranty.I got that card it its a champ!!Going with the 6850's i would get the gigabyte one,i was going to choose that one before the 6870 but i got the 6870 instead.Two fan design is very good.
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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:36:36 PM

purple stank said:
Make sure you read the reviews their always helpful in selecting the right card.

Out of the 6870 and 6850 i would choose the XFX 6870 for the Lifetime Warranty.I got that card it its a champ!!Going with the 6850's i would get the gigabyte one,i was going to choose that one before the 6870 but i got the 6870 instead.Two fan design is very good.


yes agreed go with the xfx 6870 or gigabyte 6850, like I said above I also have this card and it is simply a beast, a champ, a monster value for the price. :)  and a lifetime warranty with XFX is not too shabby

not to mention that you can crossfire them down the road and get excellent scaling and performance when you need it.
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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:43:32 PM

purple stank said:
Here's a review of the temps between the 5850/6870/6850.
Seems the 6850 is the hottest out of the 3

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-rade...

They used the HIS version for the test i believe.



interesting, guess I was wrong but they are all relatively low heat compared to cards of the past and most 4 series nvidia offerings, mainly just the 470 and 480 I hear that the Nvidia 5 series has much improved cooling beyond that of the 4 series with their vapor chamber design.
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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:47:09 PM

purple stank said:
Here's a review of the temps between the 5850/6870/6850.
Seems the 6850 is the hottest out of the 3

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-rade...

They used the HIS version for the test i believe.


and here yet another small PRO for getting the XFX 6870!
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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:48:47 PM

purple stank said:
Make sure you read the reviews their always helpful in selecting the right card.

Out of the 6870 and 6850 i would choose the XFX 6870 for the Lifetime Warranty.I got that card it its a champ!!Going with the 6850's i would get the gigabyte one,i was going to choose that one before the 6870 but i got the 6870 instead.Two fan design is very good.



btw what have you been able to oc your 6870 to (if you have tried) just curious to see how my overclock (980 core 1150 mem stock voltage) stacks up to others?
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a c 214 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 10:28:11 PM

My 6870 has been their b4 but i got worried and set up my own fan control options through MSI Afterburner.I have heard of the Asus version of the 6870 going to around 87c.
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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 10:38:54 PM

purple stank said:
My 6870 has been their b4 but i got worried and set up my own fan control options through MSI Afterburner.I have heard of the Asus version of the 6870 going to around 87c.



wow mine never goes over 66 C while oc'ed on a full load, but I have a ton of fans and cooling within my case so abient case temps may play a part in my controlled gpu temps
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December 30, 2010 3:26:56 AM

hmm well you know what guys i read through all you said and ill go with the 6850 as the 4850 is an old card so there is no use in investing into it.

and about the 4850 really interesting that it gets to 80 degrees mine 1gb xfx 4850 idles at around 40 to 45 and on load while playin a game it gets up to 60-65 sometimes to 69 but thats when my room is hot, i do have a good cooling set up i have an antec 300 case i got 2 front intake , 1 side intake, 1 back exhaust and one top exhaust, all are 120mm and one is 140mm fans.

but il go with the 6850 maybe sapphire or xfx ill see :) 
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a b U Graphics card
December 30, 2010 3:31:50 AM

huntsman said:
hmm well you know what guys i read through all you said and ill go with the 6850 as the 4850 is an old card so there is no use in investing into it.

and about the 4850 really interesting that it gets to 80 degrees mine 1gb xfx 4850 idles at around 40 to 45 and on load while playin a game it gets up to 60-65 sometimes to 69 but thats when my room is hot, i do have a good cooling set up i have an antec 300 case i got 2 front intake , 1 side intake, 1 back exhaust and one top exhaust, all are 120mm and one is 140mm fans.

but il go with the 6850 maybe sapphire or xfx ill see :) 


wise choice, you will not be dissapointed and it will have sick crossfire performance if you choose to in the future.
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