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Seeking advice on a new pc build with a $3000 budget

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February 24, 2011 10:50:04 AM

After doing a lotting of research and getting a lot of advice I've decided to stray from the safe and usually overpriced prebuilt systems and go ahead and build my first pc. I'm only going to be using it for gaming and therefore want the most bang for my buck to hopefully play new games on max settings finally and not have a system that crawls like I've always had. JackNaylor, a user from this board, suggested the build below my requirements, looking for any criticism or recommendations. I will begin ordering parts in March but not actually building the system until April so if I should hold off on getting a CPU or GPU because something is dropping in April that's worth the wait I can definitely do that no problem. Because I know very little but am learning as fast I can I am literally putting all my faith in the recommendations I get and if JackNaylor's is the only one I have then I will 100% be ordering his exact build. Thanks for your time! Oh, and if anyone lives in SC near Sumter/Shaw AFB that can help let me know, I'll be back from overseas mid-april. Thanks!




Approximate Purchase Date: ~20th April, 2011

Budget Range: $3,000 Before Rebates

System Usage: Gaming

Parts Not Required: I need everything to use a computer all the way from a mouse to a monitor

Preferred Websites for Parts: newegg.com and tigerdirect.com

Country of Origin: U.S.A. (Sumter, South Carolina)

Parts Preferences: NVidia and Intel, but this is a bias, they're all I've used... definitely openminded.

Overclocking: No, first time building I'll attempt this in the far future lol...

SLI or Crossfire: As recommended

Monitor Resolution: At least 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Looks are a complete non-issue... where money is concerned I prefer performance over looks personally. Also don't need external speakers, will be using a headset.


JackNaylor's Suggested Build... forgot to ask him if I need a soundcard or the mobo has an integrated one.

Case - $160 - Antec DF-85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811129087
PSU - $150 - Antec CP-1000 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817371024
Case Fans - $15 - Antec 120 mm Fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835209006
MoBo - $260 - ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution Currently unavailable
CPU - $330 - Intel Core i5-2600K Currently unavailable
Cooler - $40 - Scythe Mugen 2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835185142
TIM - $5 Shin Etsu 751 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835150080
RAM - $155 - (2 x 4GB) Mushkin CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820226179
GFX - $530 - EVGA GTX 580 Black Ops Edition http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130589
GFX - $530 - Same
HD - $65 - Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152185
SSD - $185 - OCZ Vertex 2 3.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227551
DVD Writer - $22 - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827135221
OS - $140 - Win 7-64 Pro OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116754
Monitor - $180 - ASUS VE247H 23.6" LED http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824236112
Keyboard - $65 - Logitech G110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6823126087
Mouse - $53 - Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6826104318

Cost $2,885
February 24, 2011 11:16:57 AM

Hmm unless u 100% need CUDA and considering

GTX 570 SLI < HD 6950CF < GTX 580 SLI and HD 6950CF actually having a lower power draw than GTX 460 SLI

hit a nice 2GB HD 6950 1st?


HD6950 CF Toms
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6970-rade...
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But wait, there’s more. What about the Radeon HD 6900s in CrossFire? After all, AMD claims to have made some notable improvements to its scaling.
You’re only going to buy two high-end graphics cards if you’re running at the top resolutions with visual details maxed out. That’s where the 2 GB frame buffers featured on both 6900-series cards come in handy. In many cases, two $300 Radeon HD 6950s outperform a pair of $350 GeForce GTX 570s, saving you $100 total for better frame rates.

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February 24, 2011 11:47:16 AM

batuchka said:
Hmm unless u 100% need CUDA and considering

GTX 570 SLI < HD 6950CF < GTX 580 SLI and HD 6950CF actually having a lower power draw than GTX 460 SLI
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/batuchka/34664.png
hit a nice 2GB HD 6950 1st?


HD6950 CF Toms
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6970-rade...
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But wait, there’s more. What about the Radeon HD 6900s in CrossFire? After all, AMD claims to have made some notable improvements to its scaling.
You’re only going to buy two high-end graphics cards if you’re running at the top resolutions with visual details maxed out. That’s where the 2 GB frame buffers featured on both 6900-series cards come in handy. In many cases, two $300 Radeon HD 6950s outperform a pair of $350 GeForce GTX 570s, saving you $100 total for better frame rates.



Here's where you can laugh at my ignorance, like I said I'm learning. I've seen CUDA referenced several times but don't know what it stands for?

So crossfired 6950s instead of Sli GTX 580s?
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February 24, 2011 11:57:17 AM

Actually i am suggesting just one 2GB HD 6950 1st given u at 1920 x 1080 hehe Then CF down the road ^^
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February 24, 2011 10:52:19 PM

I'll go up in res that's the minimum I want
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February 24, 2011 11:33:42 PM

I doubt you're going to need two GTX 580's if you're only driving one monitor. A single one would be plenty. Actually, at 1920 x 1200, you might only want a GTX 570... I think the 580's shine a little more at 2560×1600.

That would allow you to reduce the power supply a little bit and still have headroom to spare.

None of your links work, by the way.

A comparison of several cards, including the GTX 580 and GTX 570, at 1920x200 resolution


A comparison of several cards, including the GTX 580 and GTX 570, at 2560x1600 resolution
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February 25, 2011 1:52:18 AM

Yeah I'll only be using one monitor, I'm gonnalook up pricing 2560x1600 screens right now. While I say 3,000 is my budget really I can exceed that if I want. I definitely wanted the core components minus the peripherals (monitor, keyboard mouse) to be 3,000 or less.
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February 25, 2011 1:59:30 AM

Yeah just checked prices on monitors at 2560x1600, I can't justify paying more for my pc monitor than the tv in my living room. And I'm sure my wife would sh*t a brick if she knew.

So.... I take it just stick with one 580 GTX. Should I invest 530 saved from ropping to a single GPU and put it into a different CPU and MOBO or is the CPU and MOBO good to go? I'm guessing those links don't work cause I copied and pasted them from a fie on my desktop I had saved :( 
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February 25, 2011 3:30:38 AM

There's no real room for improvement on the CPU front - the i7-2600k you picked out already is the best there is, unless you start talking crazy with server processors and multi cpu boards and such.

It is worth noting that a GTX 580 handles a max of 2 monitors, so an argument for multiple graphics cards can be made if you plan on running more than two monitors.
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February 25, 2011 4:00:23 AM

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February 25, 2011 4:13:28 AM

Thannks for the post reading up on it now!
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February 25, 2011 4:44:48 AM

be careful with SSD. I too am an extreme novice in computer gaming but i been doing a lot of research. I cannot justify buying an SSD to just lower load times and downloads unless I planned on doing a lot of turning my computer on and off and reinstalling of games. Typically, you are going to install your favorite game once and leave it. Waiting 15 more seconds to get to my desktop isn't worth 300 plus for a 128G... don't even bother with anything smaller... A 64 Gig may get you an operating system and two mainstream games--not worth it... SSDs haven't hit the gamers market yet and are way over priced for what they are worth.

However, this is extremely debatable.

for what you are looking to do you honestly can cut your budget in half and be just as satisfied.

my rig cost around $1200 or less and I am playing today's games at 100 plus FPS. I.E. Black ops topping out at 125FPS

MY BUILD:

CPU: AMD Phenom 2 X6 1100T
GPU: Sapphire ATI RADEON HD6950
PSU: Cosiar 850HX
RAM: 8GB Patriot 1600
MOBO:Asus M4A88T-V
Case: Blac X
Optical: LG DVD 24X
HDD: 7200 Sata II 1T
COOLING: Hyper 212 plus
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February 25, 2011 4:57:25 AM

LAW_DOG_usmc said:
be careful with SSD. I too am an extreme novice in computer gaming but i been doing a lot of research. I cannot justify buying an SSD to just lower load times and downloads unless I planned on doing a lot of turning my computer on and off and reinstalling of games. Typically, you are going to install your favorite game once and leave it. Waiting 15 more seconds to get to my desktop isn't worth 300 plus for a 128G... don't even bother with anything smaller... A 64 Gig may get you an operating system and two mainstream games--not worth it... SSDs haven't hit the gamers market yet and are way over priced for what they are worth.

However, this is extremely debatable.

for what you are looking to do you honestly can cut your budget in half and be just as satisfied.

my rig cost around $1200 or less and I am playing today's games at 100 plus FPS. I.E. Black ops topping out at 125FPS

MY BUILD:

CPU: AMD Phenom 2 X6 1100T
GPU: Sapphire ATI RADEON HD6950
PSU: Cosiar 850HX
RAM: 8GB Patriot 1600
MOBO:Asus M4A88T-V
Case: Blac X
Optical: LG DVD 24X
HDD: 7200 Sata II 1T
COOLING: Hyper 212 plus

+1 in regards to SSD's...although having one for the o/s is nice. Otherwise they need to come way down in price imo.

-1 on you having a $1,200 budget and going with that AMD build. Give me a min. and I'l post a build on your thread.
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February 25, 2011 8:31:55 AM

(In regards to SSDs) Despite the bloated price and the fact that they'll probably cost a lot less in the near future I'm definitely getting one. They don't cost so much that I wouldn't consider it.
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