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February 24, 2011 8:21:01 PM

I'll be putting together a system as soon as the new Asus H67 board is available with the B3 stepping for sandy bridge (hopefully soon according to recent rumors that it'll be shipping next week).

It's hard to say what I'll mainly be using it for because I do a little bit of everything - heavy web browsing (multiple windows running at once), graphic design & photo editing (paintshop), sound editing/recording (adobe audition), a few cpu intensive internet marketing programs, watching movies (preferably 3D capable), and some video editing & gaming every once in a while (not harcore or anything).

I'm willing to spend extra to make my system top notch, so money isn't necessarily an issue, but at the same time I don't want to throw money away needlessly for things that won't even make any difference performance-wise.

Here's what I've come up with so far searching through this forum and browsing through newegg. I'd appreciate any feedback if there are better options for any component, anything extra I may need , and also if anything will be incompatible.


CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K

MOBO: Asus P8H67-I DELUXE (w/ B3 stepping)
*Any reason I should be getting a P8P67 instead if gaming isn't that important to me?

*Is the in-built graphics good enough or do I need an additional graphics card (I don't do much gaming) for general graphic performance? Is it even possible to have an additional GPU on top of the in-built intel graphics?

*Also, if I want 3D capabilities, what do I need (does the inbuilt graphics on the H67 have 3D)? Also, I'm pretty sure overclocking isn't something I need for my purposes. That's mainly for gaming performance, correct?


RAM: 2X G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (8GB Total)
*Any reason not to just get an 8GB memory rather than two separate 4GB’s?

HSF: COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler

HDD: Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC256MAG-1G1 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
*May change this to Intel 510 SSD when it comes out next week.

PSU: XFX Black Edition XPS-850W-BES 850W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC ...

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CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active ...
*Which one is better? Is this overkill? How much do I really need? Maybe a stupid question, but if I have more wattage than I need, will it drain my energy bill unnecessarily?

GPU: None - hopefully H67 in-built graphics will suffice

DVD: LITE-ON Blu-ray Burner with 3D Playback SATA iHBS212 LightScribe

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
*Not sure if full tower is too much, but it reduces heat I believe. I also like the front USB 3.0 and audio ports.

Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

Sound: Not sure if I need to get a soundcard or not. Is the onboard sound decent enough on the p8h67? I do a lot of recording and audio editing.



What do you guys think?

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February 24, 2011 9:12:19 PM

1. I'd go P67 ..... Read this

2. I doubt you'd notice a performance drop w/ a i-2500k

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*Any reason not to just get an 8GB memory rather than two separate 4GB’s?


Based upon the link, I assume you mean two separate (2 x 2GB) sets. If overclocking, general consensus was "all things being equal" get one (2 x 4GB) set as you some times have to reduce CAS timings under OC's to get 4 modules stable. Right now things aren't equal. Photoshop and 3D Modelings loves fast / low CAS memory.

You could pop in two of these CAS 6 for $154
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You could pop in one set of these CAS 7 for $154
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The advantage with the 2nd option is that you could someday add another set for 16GB but ya might have to relax timings to 8. The advantage w/ the1st is that it's CAS 6 and with 4 modules you might have to reduce to CAS 7. If ya sure you'll never go 16GB, then I'd get the 1st. Otherwise I'd get the 2nd.

Whichever you choose, make sure that they are low profile (no tall heat sinks) so there are no cooler interference problems.

4. The Scythe Mugen 2 SCMG 2100 is always in the top 3 in 1155/1156/1366 testing .... the CM one isn't in the top 25. Not that you appear to need it....the stock cooler is just fine up to 4.6 GHz.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... See why:

5. Read this ? It would appear that the Vertex 3's are ahead of the Intel and Crucials in time, performance and price.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/vertex-3-sandforce-...

6. I'd still get a HD ..... 7200.12, F3 or WD Black

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/vertex-3-sandforce-...

7. Of the two, easy choice .... 850 Black Edition .... it's cheaper and has 100 extra watts .... 750 Black is a steal at $90 (10% off w/ promo code PSU11FEB) .... a 650 would do just fine too, and is an even better buy at $65

$90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

8. If ya set on a big case like the HAF-X, consider the DF-85 which seems to be popular among photo buffs due to the hot swappable 2.5" drive bay. Can take loads of photos / projects from the road with you and cameras w/ internal 2.5" Drives get real ez to transfer data.

HAF-X is still a fine choice.... for someone with a big overclock and multiple GFX cards. But since you're not gaming why the big high air flow case ? HAF-922 and DF-85 are common mid tower alternatives but if you are looking for something more suitable to a professional or business settings, consider the P183. A bit cheaper at $150 it is specifically designed for sound deadening capabilities, rather than fitting 8 fans for cooling OC's CPU's and multiple GFX cards.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you go this route and want to consider acoustics as a primary consideration, the P183 is capable of fitting CPX form factor designs .... the Antec CP-850 is extremely quiet, and gets a 10.0 performance rating, but at $120, I find it hard to recommend when you can easily get a way with a 650 watter for $65.

9. AS5 is tied for best thermal performance with Shin Etsu 751

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But given AS5's 200 hour curing time issue, why deal w/ that hassle when Shin Etsu is readily avilable for $5 ? See bottom of page below

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
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February 24, 2011 11:25:15 PM

I think you would be better off with a 2600, or 2500, and I don't think the extra $100 premium for the 2600 K is much worth it. But, there is no negative to the 2600 or 2600K. Just realize that the K allows overclocking, while a H67 motherboard does not.

On the other hand, a P67 mobo allows overclocking, but you will need a discrete video card. The Sandy bridge graphics is about the capability of a $50 discrete video card. The SB graphics is fine for general use and light gaming.

Onboard sound is very good these days, try it first; you can always add a sound card later.

Coolers with 92mm fans can be noisy, look for one with a 120mm fan or larger.
Most any will do, the sb is cool running, particularly with no or mild overclocking.

The psu is good, but overkill.
With no graphics card, all you need is a quality 350w psu.
Anything from Seasonic, XFX, PC P&C, Antec, Or Corsair will do.
If you might want a single strong graphics card in the future, a 650w unit will power anything made today.

If you love the case, fine, get it.
A sandy bridge cpu with no discrete graphics card will generate very little heat.
For a quiet conventional case, look at the Antec solo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For your needs, a mini-ITX system would suffice. Look at the lian li Q11:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Comes in black or silver also, but the red anodized aluminum is stunning.
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February 25, 2011 1:58:23 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
1. I'd go P67 ..... Read this
I think you forgot to include the link. I'd like to read whatever it is :)  Either way, I believe I may just go with the P8P67 with a discrete video card after researching more. I'm gathering that inbuilt GPU in the H67 basically just a poor man's video card. I want something more powerful.

One thing I notice with the H67 is that it has "h264 video encoding engine". I'm not even sure what that is. Is it anything a discrete video card wouldn't also accomplish?

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Based upon the link, I assume you mean two separate (2 x 2GB) sets. If overclocking, general consensus was "all things being equal" get one (2 x 4GB) set as you some times have to reduce CAS timings under OC's to get 4 modules stable. Right now things aren't equal. Photoshop and 3D Modelings loves fast / low CAS memory.
Yep, I had a brainfart there, but think I understand now. The lower the CAS latency the better, and the larger the memory - the larger the CAS? I'm pretty sure I won't be needing 16GB any time soon, so I'll just go with 4x2GB.

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4. The Scythe Mugen 2 SCMG 2100 is always in the top 3 in 1155/1156/1366 testing .... the CM one isn't in the top 25.

What top 25 list are you referring to here?

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5. Read this ? It would appear that the Vertex 3's are ahead of the Intel and Crucials in time, performance and price.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/vertex-3-sandforce-...

I did consider the Vertex 3, but then I heard it was having issues because of the 25nm NAND, so I'm not sure about that one. I'll wait till more reviews come out for it.

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6. I'd still get a HD ..... 7200.12, F3 or WD Black

Like I said, I'm willing to pay extra to get the latest & greatest, so SSD is a must :) 


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HAF-X is still a fine choice.... for someone with a big overclock and multiple GFX cards. But since you're not gaming why the big high air flow case ? HAF-922 and DF-85 are common mid tower alternatives but if you are looking for something more suitable to a professional or business settings, consider the P183. A bit cheaper at $150 it is specifically designed for sound deadening capabilities, rather than fitting 8 fans for cooling OC's CPU's and multiple GFX cards.


Yea you're probably right, a mid tower might be best for me. Although I don't work in a business environment (work at home) I'd like something quiet. Are full towers generally much louder? The HAF-922 looks pretty good, how's that one for noise?

Thanks very much for the tips, it's greatly appreciated!
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February 25, 2011 2:15:08 AM

geofelt said:


Coolers with 92mm fans can be noisy, look for one with a 120mm fan or larger.
Most any will do, the sb is cool running, particularly with no or mild overclocking.

Cool, I'll find a bigger one. Got any recommendations?

I'm noticing that some say "Compatible with Intel Sandy Bridge". Does that mean if it doesn't say that it won't work?
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February 25, 2011 2:54:10 AM

For good info on quiet computing, go to www.silentpcreview.com
Here is a link to their assesment of quiet cases:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article75-page5.html
I urge you to read more about the Antec solo. I have built several systems with it. The only negative is that it can hold a maximum sized graphics card of 10"; 10.5" with a minor mod.

Here is the link to coolers:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
I have used the prolimatech megahalems, and found it to be one of the easiest ever to install.
The noctua 120mm fans are the best and quietest. Read more from spcr^.

Any cooler that fits 1156 motherboards will also fit the sandy bridge 1155.
Only if you will use a small form factor case do you usually need to consider size.

Intel is supposed to launch their 510 series SSD march 1. I suspect it will be the best of the lot, but expensive.

If you want 8gb of ram, get a 8gb kit in the form of 2 x 4gb. That leaves room for expansion and is usually less expensive.
Sandy bridge has integrated memory controller, and can feed the cpu well with almost any speed ram. Do not pay much more for faster speeds, better timings, or fancy heat spreaders which are mostly marketing. The real application impact is perhaps 1-3%. More ram is more cost effective.
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February 25, 2011 3:27:32 AM

geofelt said:

I urge you to read more about the Antec solo. I have built several systems with it. The only negative is that it can hold a maximum sized graphics card of 10"; 10.5" with a minor mod.

I think I may just add that to my setup, thanks.

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Here is the link to coolers:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
I have used the prolimatech megahalems, and found it to be one of the easiest ever to install.
The noctua 120mm fans are the best and quietest. Read more from spcr^.

Any cooler that fits 1156 motherboards will also fit the sandy bridge 1155.

The Nocua's look pretty good, but I see that they don't have 1156 listed, so I'm assuming those wouldn't work?

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If you want 8gb of ram, get a 8gb kit in the form of 2 x 4gb. That leaves room for expansion and is usually less expensive.
Sandy bridge has integrated memory controller, and can feed the cpu well with almost any speed ram. Do not pay much more for faster speeds, better timings, or fancy heat spreaders which are mostly marketing. The real application impact is perhaps 1-3%. More ram is more cost effective.

Thanks for clearing that up!
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February 25, 2011 4:03:23 AM

One other thing, on asus's website it says "USB 3.0 Front Panel Compatibility". What exactly do I need to make that work with a case that doesn't have a front panel for it?
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February 25, 2011 4:21:26 AM

Noctua NH-D14 now has 1156/1155 mounting.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It should work well.

USB 3.0 is strange.
Few motherboards have internal usb3.0 adapters. I think it is because the internal standard has not been accepted yet. Usb3.0 ports will usually be found on the back panel.
Some cases may provide a cable that can exit the rear, and plug into the back panel connector.

On my current case, a lian li v351, I use the back panel connector to attach a external backup enclosure that sits next to the case.
When I want a backup, I just power it on, do the backup and power it off.

If you really want to plug into the front, use a front panel unit like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It would fit in the 3.5" bay of the Solo, or any other case.
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March 8, 2011 10:06:18 PM

MONEY: If money is not an issue, do some research, buy wisely and you won't be disappointed. You should get a soundcard and video card. Better than onboard any day.

VIDEO + AUDIO: Find a video card nicely balanced for your needs. A dedicated card will offer better performance in graphics/sound (and better tools and optimization) compared to onboard.

CASE: This choice is very subjective. If you want a HAFX, buy it. It's a good case and offers plenty of room for future upgrades. For a micro ATX build, I'd look into something smaller and more efficient models such as the Silverstone FT03 (or others, it's just one that comes to mind).

PSU: Most PSU's are Seasonics or other OEM's with stickers on them. I wouldn't be surprised if the XFX is a Seasonic. Buy any quality PSU that fits your power needs. If noise is an issue, make sure to buy a model with low noise design.

HDD: Personally, I'd buy any 1TB mechanical drive over an SSD any day. A lot more bang for you buck, I think. That's my personal opinion, though, so take it with a grain of salt. I just find SSD's are way overpriced and for day to day operation their price can't be justified. I'm sure someone out there will vehemently disagree with me. I'm just looking at it from a consumer's choice point-of-view.

The choices are endless to be honest. We could argue 'til the cows come home as to which component is best.

All the components you mention all have their pros & cons. However, since money is not an issue for you, I say, go and buy what suits your needs and satisfies your needs.

Hope this helps!
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