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Latest high end from nvidia and ati?

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December 24, 2010 3:16:40 AM

Hey guys,
im a little out of the loop..

whats the current fastest offering from nvidia and ati as far as highest end cards?
a b Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 3:21:43 AM

HD5970 is the fastest card.
GTX580 is the fastest GPU.

Hierarchy:
HD5970 - GTX580 - HD6970/GTX570 - HD6950 - HD6870/GTX470 - HD6850/GTX460

*Edit
Worth nothing that scaling between the HD6900 cards is much better than nVidia's.
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December 24, 2010 3:25:50 AM

because I thought the 6970 was the latest card from ati yet the 5970 is still top dog on the ati side?

so by having dual 5970 4 gig I guess going to the 6970 is pointless? Ive asked this quesiton before and the answer was yes it is pointless, just want to make sure as I do like to have the latest most powerful graphics cards on the market..
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a b Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 5:02:56 AM

Although 2 5970's don't scale very well,they still perform much better than 6970.So yes going from 2 5970s to 6970 is pointless. You currently have the fastest VGA on the market.
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December 24, 2010 5:30:41 AM

When the 6990 comes it will most likely be better than a hd5970.
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December 24, 2010 5:51:28 AM

You have a pair of 5970s. There won't be a point to upgrading for quite a while.
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a b Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 3:11:57 PM

Though three HD6970's in trifire should easily topple a 5970 CFX.
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a c 396 Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 3:31:05 PM

shadow187 said:


*Edit
Worth nothing that scaling between the HD6900 cards is much better than nVidia's.

The scaling between the two is more like an even match, after AMD trailing in this department for quite some time. Along with that improved scaling come related problems with heat and noise that AMD still needs to address. Nvidia has done an excellent job with their SLI implementation:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-crossfirex...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-580-sli-revie...

Average dual card scaling across all benchmarks at 1920x1200:
6950: 1.67x
570: 1.7x
580: 1.58x

(Note that the GTX580 is much more affected by CPU bottlenecking. The 6970 would logically also be bound by CPU bottlenecking and would not scale as well as the 6950 and 570. Unfortunately, the 6970 in Crossfire was not tested.)

Noise levels
6950: 49 Dba (+8 Dba)
570: 42 Dba (+2 Dba)
580: 46 Dba (+5 Dba)

GPU Temps
6950: 89c (+12c)
570: 81c (+4c)
580: 90c (+3c)


1920x1200 dual card scaling:

CODMW2
6950: 1.18x
570: 1.55x
580: 1.58x

Far Cry 2
6950: 1.9x
570: 1.8x
580: 1.58x

Anno 1404
6950: 1.15x
570: 1.46x
580: 1.30x

Crysis Warhead
6950: 1.71x
570: 1.56x
580: 1.45x

3D Mark Vantage GPU Score
6950: 1.64x
570: 1.65x
580: 1.56x

Metro 2033
6950: 2x
570: 2x
580: 1.97x

DIRT 2
6950: 1.82x
570: 1.73x
580: 1.55x

BFBC2
6950: 1.92x
570: 1.84x
580: 1.61x
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a b Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 3:57:56 PM







With the better scaling it should make the $300 HD6950's a better match for $350 GTX570's, and the $370 HD6970's to the $500 GTX580's.

*Edit
ATI doesn't need to address heat & noise issues because non-reference boards will do that for them. nVidia spent a loooooot of time with their reference GF100/GF100b/GF110 because it's hot, power-hungry, and not /as/ efficient. Just from quickly looking at newegg I see the same exact cooler used on every GTX580.
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a c 396 Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 4:07:46 PM

shadow187 said:
http://media.bestofmicro.com/R/3/273135/original/CrossFire%20Just%20Cause%202%20Scaling.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/Q/Z/273131/original/CrossFire%20DiRT%202%20Scaling.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/Q/V/273127/original/CrossFire%20BF%20BC2%20Scaling.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/Q/R/273123/original/CrossFire%20AvP%20Scaling.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/R/7/273139/original/CrossFire%20Metro%202033%20Scaling.png

With the better scaling it should make the $300 HD6950's a better match for $350 GTX570's, and the $370 HD6970's to the $500 GTX580's.

*Edit
ATI doesn't need to address heat & noise issues because non-reference boards will do that for them. nVidia spent a loooooot of time with their reference GF100/GF100b/GF110 because it's hot, power-hungry, and not /as/ efficient. Just from quickly looking at newegg I see the same exact cooler used on every GTX580.

Why are you showing single card results to prove a point about Crossfire scaling? Of course, at the very highest resolution, the 2GB cards will do better. However, that's a 30" screen you're talking about, which I'm not sure many people own.

In terms of the cooler, there's no reason to mess with it when it's better than most aftermarket coolers.

This is for the OP:

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a b Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 4:14:17 PM

though when amd releases the dualgpu card of the 6000 series, aka 6990, it will be so much faster than the 5970... :p P

(eta Q1 2011)
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a b Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 7:16:09 PM

pnico said:
so by having dual 5970 4 gig I guess going to the 6970 is pointless?


:heink:  Seriously?
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a b Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 7:17:39 PM

17seconds said:
Why are you showing single card results to prove a point about Crossfire scaling?


Look at the pictures more closely. Blue = Single card. Green = Dual Card (Crossfire / SLI). These are self-comparative figures. I.E. a GTX 570 single (100%), versus a SLI GTX 570 (180%). No actual FPS shown on those charts, just a percentage of performance gain.
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a c 171 Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 7:36:36 PM

shadow187 said:
http://media.bestofmicro.com/R/3/273135/original/CrossFire%20Just%20Cause%202%20Scaling.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/Q/Z/273131/original/CrossFire%20DiRT%202%20Scaling.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/Q/V/273127/original/CrossFire%20BF%20BC2%20Scaling.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/Q/R/273123/original/CrossFire%20AvP%20Scaling.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/R/7/273139/original/CrossFire%20Metro%202033%20Scaling.png

With the better scaling it should make the $300 HD6950's a better match for $350 GTX570's, and the $370 HD6970's to the $500 GTX580's.

*Edit
ATI doesn't need to address heat & noise issues because non-reference boards will do that for them. nVidia spent a loooooot of time with their reference GF100/GF100b/GF110 because it's hot, power-hungry, and not /as/ efficient. Just from quickly looking at newegg I see the same exact cooler used on every GTX580.

What I find most interesting is the use and results from JC2 as there are those who like to scream "Nvidia biased" when their chosen marque has lower framrates in such a title but remain quiet when it does better, why is that? This is not directed at you shadow by the way.
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a b Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 8:37:38 PM

That would be a question for Toms'. Even if Far Cry 2 was present with ATI performing much worse I would have still quoted it merely to get the 'Full Test-Bed Effect'.
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a c 171 Î Nvidia
December 24, 2010 9:02:00 PM

shadow187 said:
That would be a question for Toms'. Even if Far Cry 2 was present with ATI performing much worse I would have still quoted it merely to get the 'Full Test-Bed Effect'.

I did say that it wasn't directed at you, those who continually make the the "bias" call know who they are though. :whistle: 
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