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GTX 460SE SC VS HD 5850

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a b U Graphics card
December 25, 2010 8:06:53 PM

Hello all,

I looked at alot of benchmarks and the GTX 460 SE GPU seems to be about 5 % less then my HD 5850 ( would this be a safe to say ? )

I can off load my HD 5850 for the same price i can get a GTX 460 SE SC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ( now with the OC on this card it should be about on par with my HD 5850 no ? < Question.

I am also thinking in about 6 to 8 months, maybe pick up another GTX 460 for maybe 100 bucks ( i am hopping ) to SLI

Long as i can do 40 to 60 FPS in games its good for me, I play at 1920x1080 rez

Games

Dirt2
AvP
Dragon age
CoD WAW
CoD MW2
Batman
Left4Dead and Left4Dead2
Crysis ( only for testing FPS ) < really not a fun game for me :) 

What do you guys think ? i hope it wont be going backwards to much, I am just not loving my HD 5850 ( my GTX 260 just seemed to play games smoother ( yes the HD 5850 gave more FPS but seemed like the GTX played better.

( EDIT ) or you think a GTX 470 for 100 bucks more ? for a 5 to 7 % over a HD 5850 ? IMO not really worth it me thinks

More about : gtx 460se 5850

December 25, 2010 8:17:27 PM

I was looking at that exact card. What put me off, and this is backed up by no data what so ever, is the SE has 48 cores less the other 460s. I haven't looked at any tests to see if there is a difference good or bad, but soemthing to look at.
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a b U Graphics card
December 25, 2010 8:26:07 PM

Really looking for a Card that would be on par give or take 5 to 10 FPS that will do 40 to 60 FPS at 1080 ( dont care about crysis or metro ) that wont be more then 230.

I can get 150 for my used HD 5850
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a c 1380 U Graphics card
December 25, 2010 8:28:21 PM

I would say so.
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a b U Graphics card
December 25, 2010 8:33:41 PM

rolli59 said:
I would say so.


If i picked up the GTX 460 SC ( not the SE one ) and sli @ a latter date, and got got the GTX 460 1 Gb. When in sli it would just down clock the SC GPUs ( would this be right ?

Also would the ( I would say so ) eg. mean that the GTX 460 SC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... would be on par with the HD 5850 ?


Thanks
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a c 172 U Graphics card
December 25, 2010 10:01:48 PM

i dont really see the point in this kind of "upgrade". If your going to upgrade from a 5850 do it properly or you will just end up with a different card that plays games the same as what you already had, seems like a waste of time and effort to me. Why not get another 5850 and crossfire??? or if you really want to ditch the 5850 and get something else that can be crossfire in the future try the 6850 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6850_C...
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December 25, 2010 10:32:19 PM

I really want to go with nvidia ( my MOBO will xfire or SLI ) i dont need to stay with a ATI GPU, Thats really the whole point of it. I am not really looking to get more FPS @ 1080 then i get with my HD 5850, but a Nvidia card that would be on par with my HD 5850 FPS wise, and not cost to much more then the 150 i can get for this HD 5850 i have.

I just get alot of driver not responding BS with ATIs drivers. Not that the card dont do the job.

If i was looking to upgrade i would just buy a GTX 570
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a c 173 U Graphics card
December 25, 2010 11:15:51 PM

I got a GTX 460 and even the original driver is rock solid for me well not all that original just 258.96 and overclocking is ware it shines. As for upgrading a GTX570 is right but don't look at the GTX460 as one unless your main focus is stable drivers which is Nvidia's strong suits.
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a b U Graphics card
December 25, 2010 11:42:31 PM

nforce4max said:
I got a GTX 460 and even the original driver is rock solid for me well not all that original just 258.96 and overclocking is ware it shines. As for upgrading a GTX570 is right but don't look at the GTX460 as one unless your main focus is stable drivers which is Nvidia's strong suits.


IYO would you say http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... would gave about the same FPS as a HD 5850 ?

As far as i can tell its very close by this review http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
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December 26, 2010 12:03:05 AM

Niklas_13 said:
IYO would you say http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... would gave about the same FPS as a HD 5850 ?

As far as i can tell its very close by this review http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...


It is still a good card but don't expect it to be on par on all games till you overclock then you are going to have some fun. That is what they are good for when you push them to 850 and higher. For physx games are going to be much faster depending on the game in question and plus the card can be used for video encoding if you are into such editing.
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a b U Graphics card
December 26, 2010 12:45:22 AM

nforce4max said:
It is still a good card but don't expect it to be on par on all games till you overclock then you are going to have some fun. That is what they are good for when you push them to 850 and higher. For physx games are going to be much faster depending on the game in question and plus the card can be used for video encoding if you are into such editing.


That one is OCed @ 763/1526 My HD 5850 is clocking up @ 775/1100 in games :( 
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a c 376 U Graphics card
December 26, 2010 12:45:50 AM

You'll want at least a GTX 460 1gb(not SE) with a healthy OC to get something comparable to your HD5850. If you are in the US and your budget is $230 you can afford a GTX 470 however. With the promo code this one is $229 and just $199 after the mail in rebate;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Otherwise look for a GTX 460 1gb with good cooling and overclock it. The MSI Hawk or the Asus DirectCU would be the best choices;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a c 173 U Graphics card
December 26, 2010 1:31:22 AM

Niklas_13 said:
That one is OCed @ 763/1526 My HD 5850 is clocking up @ 775/1100 in games :( 


If you are lucky to get a decent sample 850 should be expected and the one in ten thousand will crack 1ghz if pampered right. I know a mod that will help boost just about any Fermi card by a small margin that allows for higher clocks but it is a hard mod but then again seeing post mod screen shots of GTX480s topping out around 900mhz core, I know I know just adding info. A GTX 460 or a GTX470 will be a welcomed addition to your machine but picking the right card is what counts. The value isn't always in the stock cooler but the pcb. As for your 5850 not every pick is a good one and I am no stranger to that as a avid collector of cards. Some do fantastic while others leave one wanting.

A 850 mhz GTX460 is around the performance of a GTX470 give or take 5% and if you are able to hit 900mhz then it will be close to the 5870 range give or take about 5-10% depending on the game and drivers.
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December 29, 2010 9:11:58 PM

For the record, theres absolutely nothing wrong with a 460SE, yes it has a few less cores then a normal 460 but its still about on par with them.

I got mine about a week ago, this is what i got it on so far.

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/gzbe5/

Idle temp: 27-28C
Max Load: Up to 65C on BFBC2 Max settings. All other games Load temp is lower. Fan at default 40%
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a c 1380 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:18:12 PM

DigitalIP said:
For the record, theres absolutely nothing wrong with a 460SE, yes it has a few less cores then a normal 460 but its still about on par with them.

I got mine about a week ago, this is what i got it on so far.

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/gzbe5/

Idle temp: 27-28C
Max Load: Up to 65C on BFBC2 Max settings. All other games Load temp is lower. Fan at default 40%

There is nothing wrong with the GTX460SE except it is slower than the other GTX460 cards, it is still a good card for the money.
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December 29, 2010 9:20:49 PM

Yeah its slower, but not by much.

It definately kicks ass. my previous card was a 9800GTX+ very good card in its own right.

and yes i signed up just for this thread, lolz.
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a c 604 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:24:13 PM

The SE card has 1GB of memory for those on a budget playing with high resolutions. If you are not on a higher resolution monitor, consider a GTX460 768MB version.

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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:29:55 PM

Can some one tell me the difference between the SE and the norm 1GB GTX 460?
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a c 604 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 9:41:36 PM

plznote said:
Can some one tell me the difference between the SE and the norm 1GB GTX 460?

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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 10:02:09 PM

There are THREE versions of the GTX 460.

GTX 460 1GB has 336 Shaders & 32 ROPs with Core Clock of 675Mhz (900Mhz Memory Clock @ 256bit)

GTX 460 768MB has 336 Shaders & 24 ROPs with Core Clock of 675Mhz (900Mhz Memory Clock@ 192bit)

GTX 460 SE has 228 Shaders & 32 ROPs with Core Clock of 648Mhz (850Mhz Memory Clock @ 256bit)

The 1GB version is the fastest, has the most processing units, and more RAM obviously.

See the chart on this review for exact spec differences:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gainward/GeForce_GTX...

GTX 460 1GB > GTX 460 768MB > GTX 460 1GB SE

EDIT: And if you look @ matto's chart you'll see there are less texture units on the SE version as well. :)  Not to mention 1 less polymorph engine.
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December 29, 2010 10:09:24 PM

The 1GB version is of course better then a 768MB version.

If you look at the above chart theres not really all that much of a performance difference, especially when you overclock it.

i have the 1GB version and it pwns.

According to that chart the SE seems to be a hybrid between a normal 460 and a 465, or there abouts anyway.

either way you look at it though, its not much weaker then a normal 460

and my SE has 288 cores, not 228, big difference.
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December 29, 2010 10:12:02 PM

Basically, but not by much.

they have near on par memory bandwidth and they are both 256bit.
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a c 1380 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 10:12:30 PM

15% on average according to the test of the gainward card above!
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December 29, 2010 10:13:41 PM

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/gzbe5/ is what i have mine at, compared to the 108GB stock SE

You could easily overclock the SE over the clocks of a normal 460.

Plus the 460SE requires less power and would be easier to SLI as such, not to mention costs less for such a minimal difference in performance.


Video Memory: 1GB


Memory Type: GDDR5


Memory Interface: 256-bit


Stream Processors: 288


Core Clock: 650 MHz


Memory Clock: 3400 MHz


Shader Clock: 1300 MHz


Memory Bandwidth: 108.8GB/sec

Thats my card at default. Minimum difference to the Normal 460 imo, few less cores, few less this n that, clocks are a few mhz below, but thats about it.
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a c 604 U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 10:32:58 PM

That Hardware Canuck's review said that the best scenario for the 460 SE over the 460 768 MB was when playing at high resolutions with high details turned on.

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a b U Graphics card
December 29, 2010 10:50:48 PM

If you have trouble with the 5850 after using an Nvidia card, try downloading drive sweeper and getting rid of all the hidden drivers in your registry.
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December 29, 2010 10:54:38 PM

i run at 1920x1080 32" 1080p HDTV so thats no problem there.
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a b U Graphics card
December 30, 2010 12:47:33 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
If you have trouble with the 5850 after using an Nvidia card, try downloading drive sweeper and getting rid of all the hidden drivers in your registry.


I have hade this HD 5850 when i built this i5 750 rig, my old E8500 setup i hade a GTX 260. ( So it has only seen ati drivers. )

The driver has stopped responding ( only happens when i close a game, and not all the time. ) I think for now I will just deal with it and do a new GPU upgrade when this card stops playing games @ 1080 at normal to high settings.


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a b U Graphics card
December 30, 2010 12:49:52 AM

Best answer selected by niklas_13.
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April 5, 2012 10:34:50 AM

i Got a gigabyte gtx 460 se.I already overclocked it to 820 mhz no problem. my current temps are 30 c to 38 in game i was aiming for about 930 mhz I NEED YOU HELP IM NEW TO OVERCLOCKING!!!
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April 8, 2012 3:11:14 PM

I Currently have my eVGA 460 SE @ 850 Core - 1700 Shaders - 2020 Memory

Never had any problems what so ever with that Overclock Temps wise or anything else.

Just use the old eVGA Precision or MSI Afterburner to Overclock.

You may want to start off at a smaller overclock and see how it does though.
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