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December 27, 2010 11:59:43 PM

I'm really enjoying BFBC2, but my system is having a difficult time keeping up on high settings. Where will I get the best bang for my buck in regards to upgrading? Would a new graphics card fix my problem, or am I going to be significantly limited by the CPU as well? I'm considering a total system upgrade, but I intend to wait for Intel's Sandy Bridge to drop before I do that.

My current system specs:
E8400 OC'd to 3.6GHz
4gb ram
EVGA GTX 260 core 216

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December 28, 2010 12:28:50 AM

E8400 @ 3.6GHz should handle a more powerful GPU until you upgrade. I would not even hesitate going to GTX470 or HD6870 with that CPU.
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December 28, 2010 12:53:05 AM

e8400 is still a good dual core especially with the overclock you have achieved, I would agree in getting a 6870/gtx 470 and will be a decent upgrade over a gtx 260, however bcbf2 likes a nice quad core and you can expect your minimums to go up as well as avg frames if you were to upgrade your cpu down the road with a new build, so basically the gpu upgrade will be good for now then when you upgrade your cpu bfbc2 should play even better with a quad or more.
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December 28, 2010 1:06:25 AM

I'm considering getting a 460 (this one, perhaps http://tinyurl.com/32rks52) because they are just so cheap. I could probably get 90 for my 260 on ebay, which means the upgrade is very manageable indeed. Would this put me in a good spot to SLI the 460 when I do a full system upgrade sometime next year? If so, I think this is a deal I just can't refuse.
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December 28, 2010 1:15:11 AM

gmreplay said:
I'm considering getting a 460 (this one, perhaps http://tinyurl.com/32rks52) because they are just so cheap. I could probably get 90 for my 260 on ebay, which means the upgrade is very manageable indeed. Would this put me in a good spot to SLI the 460 when I do a full system upgrade sometime next year? If so, I think this is a deal I just can't refuse.



this sounds like a great plan, but I would definatley splurg a bit for the 1 gig model over the 768mb, it will be worth it now and when you sli them in the future, and gtx 260s are still gold on ebay,especially if you have all the original packaging and accessories sold mine for $110 just a month ago...

but if your mobo is crossfire capable, and for the price/performance I would go with 2 6850s, its cheaper, and would perform about the same if not better... and run a lot cooler

but then again since you are going for sandy bridge in the future 2 1 gig 460s is the way to go, since you want one small upgrade now with room to grow in the future, otherwise if budget was no option I would go for a gtx 570 now and then another waaayyy down the road, lol,

but all in all get a 1 gig gtx 460.... then sli when you go sandy bridge (or when you can afford it)... good luck
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December 28, 2010 1:26:18 AM

jjb8675309 said:
this sounds like a great plan, but I would definatley splurg a bit for the 1 gig model over the 768mb, it will be worth it now and when you sli them in the future, and gtx 260s are still gold on ebay,especially if you have all the original packaging and accessories sold mine for $110 just a month ago...

but if your mobo is crossfire capable, and for the price/performance I would go with 2 6850s, its cheaper, and would perform about the same if not better... and run a lot cooler

but then again since you are going for sandy bridge in the future 2 1 gig 460s is the way to go, since you want one small upgrade now with room to grow in the future, otherwise if budget was no option I would go for a gtx 570 now and then another waaayyy down the road, lol,

but all in all get a 1 gig gtx 460.... then sli when you go sandy bridge (or when you can afford it)... good luck


Going with a Sandy Bridge chipset/mobo wouldn't have any effect on which graphics cards I could use, would it? Why do you recommend the 460s over the 6850s if I'm going to use Sandy Bridge?

Thanks for the really quick and thoughtful replies!
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December 28, 2010 1:37:18 AM

gmreplay said:
Going with a Sandy Bridge chipset/mobo wouldn't have any effect on which graphics cards I could use, would it? Why do you recommend the 460s over the 6850s if I'm going to use Sandy Bridge?

Thanks for the really quick and thoughtful replies!



sandy bridge should be both crossfire and sli capable, not 100% sure on that but most intel are... anyways the only reason I said that was because intel generally works well with nvidia, however there would be nothing wrong with an intel amd setup... but in the end most people like the fact that nvidia goes hand in hand with intel.. really either the 6850 or gtx 460 1 gig are valid choices
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December 28, 2010 5:00:04 AM

yesitsmario said:
Here's a 5850 for $170

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Any reason to select this over a 460?

I've also asked about this on hardforum, and they have raised the issue of whether my E8400 will permit me to make full use of the 460's capabilities, specifically in BFBC2. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I know a quad core would permit the 460 to fly, but I still want the game to be playable on high settings with my current CPU.
Here's the thread I started at hardforum:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1036621910#post10...
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December 28, 2010 5:07:55 AM

6850 is a tad more expensive, can oc past 5850 levels and offers better tesselation and crossfire scaling, if you ask me aeither a gtx 460 or a 6850 is a much better buy especially when oc'ed... I would shy away from the power color as reviews indicate very little overclocking headroom and for ten bucks more you can get a 6850 which at stock is slower then a 5850 but when oced can match or surpass and its features and low power consumption is worth it imho, I would still go with the 460/6850

bottom line is for the general price bracket you should go with the newer tech
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December 28, 2010 6:53:53 AM

For BC2, I think you're more CPU limited at this point. Its close, but BC2 scales REALLY well with quads; even my QX9650 is at near capacity running it...

You'll still benifit from a new GPU, but you'll still probably be limited on the CPU side of things as well...
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December 28, 2010 7:24:55 AM

BC2 is a very CPU heavy game, my x6 @ 3.6ghz has usage on every core when playing this game.
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December 28, 2010 7:43:20 AM

jjb8675309 said:
but in the end most people like the fact that nvidia goes hand in hand with intel..

In what way...? This is simply nonsense to be frank. Just because AMD bought ATI does not mean Nvidia magically becomes a better choice for Intel systems. The only way in which it is relevant is in regards to whether the motherboard chipset supports SLI and/or crossfire and even for Intel systems crossfire is still more prevalent. Any Intel board that can SLI will also be able to crossfire but not the other way around(short of hacked drivers.)
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December 28, 2010 7:50:10 AM

Even when CPU limited a better graphics card can help depending on the situation. Let's say the cpu is limiting you to 35 fps. Perhaps your GTX 260 can deliver those 35 frames per second but only with AA off. A better GPU will allow you to max out AA and still maintain the 35 fps. Most(but not all) high end graphic settings are very GPU intensive but don't put much stress, if any, on the processor. So a better GPU won't necessarily help increase performance so much as let you use more advanced settings while maintaining the FPS your CPU allows for.
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December 28, 2010 7:52:14 AM

Just to stick some info into your upgrade.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-pre...

http://www.lowyat.net/v2/intel-sandy-bridge-processors-...

Prices seem to resemble the current pricing. Boards have already been leaked by mobo companies, one being here. An enthusiast P67 board.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That'd be a beneficial upgrade to an i5 2400S. Which is a quad performing at an i7's level for 200$ according to conversion by Malaysian pricing.

The 5850 is a great deal. But only depending on which 5850. The best 5850 is the DirectCu or the Twin Frozr II (The twin frozr was a fail because of a custom heatsink and still hotter temps than on a reference 5850). Since they have voltage tweaking, a single 5850 could OC to/past a 5870's level as I've done when I play BC2 on max settings. Runs fine. But the 5850 DirectCu is really expensive. So... IMO pickup a 6850. The 6850 defiantly isn't faster than the 5850 in single card form, but still OCs real good like the 5850. Still the only advantage the 6850 has is a lower price by a bit and better tesselation.

So my summary is: 5850 is a good deal, but depending on the 5850. But will be more than enough to handle BC2 on somewhat high settings without stuttering. The OC to 1000mhz defiantly helps though to play on MAX settings. But if you plan on dual carding, pick the 6850.

The 6850 would be a great buy as the DirectCu model is only 200$ and can OC past the 6870's level. Later you'll be able to CF with better later on. Good future proofer. Here's the 6850's CF perf: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6850_C...

DirectCu 6850: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/Radeon_HD_6850_...
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December 28, 2010 8:54:10 AM

people have been going back and forth about cpu A holding back gpu B but never did ask the ts on what resolution he's playing at.
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December 28, 2010 8:59:04 AM

wh3resmycar said:
people have been going back and forth about cpu A holding back gpu B but never did ask the ts on what resolution he's playing at.

This is a very good point. Whether the GPU or CPU will be the limiting factor is highly dependent on resolution. If your resolution is low you will see little benefit from a card better than your GTX 260.
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December 28, 2010 9:02:38 AM

i think you can get this model....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

yes a quad core cpu + a faster gpu will running bfbc2 faster but i think it still ok with your e8400 + gtx 460....

if you really eager to upgrade your whole system i suggest wait some more time because in the upcoming 6 months both intel and amd will release new cpus and chipsets so there will be more choice for you...

for the time being... gtx 460 alone should be enough....
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December 28, 2010 9:12:11 AM

to be honest you should upgrade both CPU and GPU to get the best experience. if you cant afford upgrading both i think its best to save up for both CPU and GPU. i dont see any point in upgrading only GPU or only CPU because the performance difference would be minimal.

that is because your system is pretty balanced. if you change one part the other part will be the bottleneck.

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December 28, 2010 9:18:28 AM

Derbixrace said:
i dont see any point in upgrading only GPU or only CPU because the performance difference would be minimal.

He isn't running a P4, he has nicely OCed C2D. He has stated plans to upgrade everything but he will still see a very worthwhile benefit from upgrading the GPU in the meantime if he is running at high resolutions, expect perhaps in the more extreme CPU dependent games.
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December 28, 2010 9:20:05 AM

jyjjy said:
He isn't running a P4, he has nicely OCed C2D. He has stated plans to upgrade everything but he will still see a very worthwhile benefit from upgrading the GPU in the meantime if he is running at high resolutions, expect perhaps in the more extreme CPU dependent games.


well i had only BC2 in mind when i said that :)  in crysis for example a GPU upgrade would do wonders. it just depends on the game.
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December 28, 2010 9:31:20 AM

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/battlefiel...

everyone is wrong your gtx 260 is enough to run the game.As you can plainly see going from a dual core to a quad core with a gtx 260 got an 11fps benefit.In this game your cpu is holding you back.The game loves quad cores.I have a gtx 260 1792mb and I play the game maxed out with 4XAA with no drops below 35.However my processor is a Intel core i7 920 at 2.8ghz.If I overclock my cpu to 4ghz the game runs silky smooth
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December 28, 2010 9:42:32 AM

nvidia1 said:
http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/battlefiel...

everyone is wrong your gtx 260 is enough to run the game.As you can plainly see going from a dual core to a quad core with a gtx 260 got an 11fps benefit.In this game your cpu is holding you back.The game loves quad cores.I have a gtx 260 1792mb and I play the game maxed out with 4XAA with no drops below 35.However my processor is a Intel core i7 920 at 2.8ghz.If I overclock my cpu to 4ghz the game runs silky smooth


it was 22fps actually :) 
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December 28, 2010 9:51:01 AM

the point is that a gtx 260 is more than enough to run the game
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December 28, 2010 10:09:48 AM

yeah but he is talking about HIGH settings. the 260 is too weak for high settings and so is his CPU too.

to run the the game smoothly in 1080P with maxed settings 8 x MSAA i recommend a i7 950 OCed or a phenom X6 OCed and a HD5870/GTX 470 or better GPU.
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December 28, 2010 10:24:10 AM

On high.... at 1080P... Whooo wee... That's a real heavy load. My 5850 OC'd to 1000/1205 (a bit over a 5870's performance) handles BF:BC2 with my 955 OC'd 3.6ghz at 1680x1050 just fine. But then again I do have slight drops. Not usual though.

Oh I run BC2 at Maxed out settings. So I think something like a 5870/6870 or around there would do just fine... Maybe? I think a safer bet is the 6950 for sure. Now if you disagree that the 6950 is a bad choice. My justification is the 6950 can be so dubbed now "unlocked" to a 6970.
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December 28, 2010 10:28:22 AM

yeah i run BC2 maxed on 1080P with 8x MSAA with my 5850 @ 950/1250 and x6 @ 3.6 but i get frame drops sometimes too when a lot of things are going on.

yeah 6950 is one hell of a card, that card would max BC2 easily on 1080P and the unlocking thingy does transform it into a 6970. and last but not least the dual BIOS so you are safe even if the flash goes wrong. :D 
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December 28, 2010 10:42:31 AM

Derbixrace said:
yeah but he is talking about HIGH settings. the 260 is too weak for high settings and so is his CPU too.

to run the the game smoothly in 1080P with maxed settings 8 x MSAA i recommend a i7 950 OCed or a phenom X6 OCed and a HD5870/GTX 470 or better GPU.

at my rez of 1680X1050 I max out the game with 8XAA except for HBAO
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December 28, 2010 1:03:50 PM

it took a gtx460 to make bc2 silky-smooth along with my 3.0ghz q6600. i came from a gtx260-216 @ 1080p.

this under forced dx10 btw, as i can not see any difference under dx11.

sure my old 260-216 made bcb2 playable but with all the eyecandy + vsync on, it just won't cut it.
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December 28, 2010 2:52:36 PM

I'm going to be playing at 1680x1050. I've already put my GTX260 on ebay. If I can get 100 for it the upgrade to a 460 will cost only about 70 bucks, which is very hard to pass up, even if it means a difference of 10 FPS. The 260 is definitely showing its age and the 460, particularly with how well it scales with SLI, seems much more future proofed. I'm big on eye candy, so hopefully the 460/470 will permit me to play the game with higher settings, even if the increase in FPS is only marginal. I'm going to keep searching for some reports on mixing 460s with E8400s to see what kind of changes I can expect.
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December 28, 2010 5:54:23 PM

jyjjy said:
If you are in the US this GTX 470 is only $200 after the promo code and rebate which makes it a very nice deal;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It even comes with a free game.


Having looked into the 460 vs the 470 a bit, I can't see a good reason to go with the 470. It costs more, runs much hotter, takes much more power, and you only gain about 10% performance over a 460.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Is there any reason to go 470 over 460?
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December 28, 2010 6:28:33 PM

Your 10% number is pretty far off the mark. The GTX 470 is on average 20-25% faster than a reference GTX 460 1gb. That it is hotter and more power hungry is correct though. If you do go with the GTX 460 this is the one I would recommend;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's cheaper than the card you linked and has some of the best cooling available.
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December 28, 2010 7:37:05 PM

^ I agree with the directcu. If you need further cooling, not sure if you do. But this should do it. The Hawk is the best 460 out there IMO. OC's the best, Great cooling and I think... It's quiet.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

More expensive than the DirectCu so not sure if it's justifiable.

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December 29, 2010 9:01:48 AM

three choices...

if you considering oc yourself... this is a good choice...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

if you want the fastest gtx 460 available... this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the first one i recommend is because i'm currently using it... while playing crysis it reaches only 60c... a very cool card though...

but i would also take the 2nd choice for its outstanding warranty in u.s.... plus it is the fastest card available and is not very expensive...
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December 29, 2010 9:16:12 AM

hd 5850

pros..
very efficient... supports 3 monitor using single card... fast and cheap....

bad...
not much faster than gtx 460.... questionable driver performance... eyefinity??
i wonder how much 3 monitor can provide to your overall gaming exp..

gtx 460

pros...
physx... cuda... stable driver... very good at oc...

bad...
expensive than 5850... not as efficient as 5850... need 2nd card to play 3 monitor..
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December 29, 2010 9:42:48 AM

The asus 5850 directcu could easily hit 5870+ performance, it's a good overclocker.
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December 29, 2010 6:32:33 PM

jyjjy said:
In what way...? This is simply nonsense to be frank. Just because AMD bought ATI does not mean Nvidia magically becomes a better choice for Intel systems. The only way in which it is relevant is in regards to whether the motherboard chipset supports SLI and/or crossfire and even for Intel systems crossfire is still more prevalent. Any Intel board that can SLI will also be able to crossfire but not the other way around(short of hacked drivers.)



no it absolutley is nonsense, just saying that a lot of people configure their systems that way but there is no benefit or logic to support that claim other than the products themselves, no matter which camp they are coming from..
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December 29, 2010 9:01:19 PM

I agree with yesitsmario. I have a reference card, back when they were untweaked straight from the manufacturer and it has voltage tweaking. It mimics the DirectCu because those have voltage tweaking as well. My 5850 OC's to the maximum of 1000mhz core. That surpasses the 5870 by a tiny bit.

The FTW 460 isn't worth it because at the same price you could get a 6870 which will have more OC headroom as the FTW is a maxed out 460.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

205$ after MIR, before MIR it's 225$.
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January 5, 2011 11:05:15 PM

Well I ended up going with a 6950, and I intend to buy my Sandy Bridge stuff this Sunday when the chips are released.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 5, 2011 11:19:40 PM

Have you tried unlocking the card?
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a b U Graphics card
January 5, 2011 11:20:42 PM

yeah, I would be curious to know myself
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January 6, 2011 2:30:16 PM

jyjjy said:
Have you tried unlocking the card?


It's coming in the mail today, and I fully intend to do so. Given the numbers I've seen (polls on forums), almost all of them are unlockable. If it doesn't I will not be a happy camper. If it doesn't unlock or if the 560 blows this card out of the water later this month I will return it and buy one of those.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
January 6, 2011 2:50:00 PM

Yeah, the odds seem nearly 100%. I don't think the GTX 560 is going to match an unlocked HD6950. It will probably be cheaper though.
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January 6, 2011 3:33:13 PM

jyjjy said:
Yeah, the odds seem nearly 100%. I don't think the GTX 560 is going to match an unlocked HD6950. It will probably be cheaper though.


yeah im guessing it will be more inline with the gtx 470 with better cooling etc..
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January 6, 2011 5:17:25 PM

Wish you luck on the unlocking.
It worked for me and the improvements over the previous HD5850 are quite impressive! Shame it's so noisy under heavy load though :(  .
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January 7, 2011 12:01:08 AM

^ As are all cards :(  Wish I had enough money to afford WC/LCing. 1ghz core clock ftw.
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January 7, 2011 12:17:55 AM

I'm running a 5770 with an intel i7 860. Everything looks great and runs smoothly maxed out.
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